Female Lead
Enough already.
Why did they have to make the lead a teenage girl?
Seeing an actual Commache warrior face off with the Pred would've been badass.
Tired of woke shit. This is going to be terrible.
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR DISCOMFORT...MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO STICK TO GAY PORN.
shareIts going to a terrible movie and its going to lose money.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE ANGRY AND NEGATIVE FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR LIFE.
shareI'm not angry, just tired of bad movies especially when they could be good.
Most people agree with me which is why this will bomb hard.
You're the one yelling.
FEMALE LEAD = BAD MOVIE...
AS I SAID...YOU WILL BE AN ANGRY AND NEGATIVE LITTLE SHITHEAD FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR LIFE.
Female leads aren't bad when its appropriate.
There were no female Commache warriors, especially ones who are practically teenagers. Its forced and its stupid.
You are going to be run by your emotions your whole life. You're never going to develop any kind of maturity. You're never going to be able to handle conflict.
You're just going to yell or hold CAPS LOCK whenever something bothers you.
And most people are going to agree with me, not you. This movie is going to bomb hard.
LMAO...YOU SEEM TO KNOW EVEN LESS THAN I INITIALLY GAVE YOU CREDIT FOR...NOBODY IS YELLING,WIMPY.
shareHes trolling you Fredo. Let it go.
shareHere's an idea dummy...................don't go see it.
you seem insecure in your masculinity. It's a common trait among the gay community. no Judgement.
Is that really a fair response? A lot of people are disappointed and upset by the never-ending barrage of wokeness and politics from Hollywood. Is it unreasonable for them to voice their opinion?
I don't know what you believe in, but imagine the only films being made were jam-packed with propaganda for the opposite of your beliefs. Would you decide to give up on movies and find other things to do with your time, or would you voice your opinion that you'd like to see some films made that put plot, story, characters, and realism ahead of political messages?
but imagine the only films being made were jam-packed with propaganda for the opposite of your beliefs.
So you mean what anyone who is a not a white hetero male had to do for years and years? share
No, I don't mean that at all.
shareThen what do you mean?
Seriously? Is there a switch here where white males are villains a little more often? Yeah. Imagine being an actor of Middle Eastern descent after 9/11. They were terrorists in every single tv show or movie for years.
In 2015 (only 7 years ago) women only made up 33% of speaking roles in Hollywood films.
I could go on about racial stereotypes and queer coding, but I think you get the point. You ask if it's unreasonable for them to voice their opinions? I say no, and many of these people did and are finally being heard. Do white men get to voice their opinions. Sure they can, sure they do. Now they know what it feels like.
I don't get the point at all. It seems to me you've shifted the conversation to something else entirely, perhaps (hopefully?) unintentionally.
The outrage that I see when it comes to films like Prey, and literally dozens of other films and TV shows, has nothing to do with casting women or non-white males in lead roles. It's that studios are forcing a fantasy upon viewers, and demanding that they not only accept it, but pretend to like it, with the warning: âspeak out against it and risk being canceled.â
When it comes to film, there is something called suspension of disbelief. We accept that in the world being depicted on film wizards are real, or dinosaurs roam the earth, or predators from space come to earth to hunt. Weâre given a premise, and we accept it, but the rest of the film must remain grounded in reality.
Thats the problem with âPrey.â There were no "skilled female Comanche warriorsâ back in the day, yet filmmakers are intent upon forcing the notion that women can fight just as well as men down our throats, so every action film must now feature a woman beating people, or aliens, up. That isnât reality. Women simply arenât as strong as men. Look to sports if you donât believe this to be true. Did you see what happened when the U.S. womenâs soccer team, the reigning World Cup champion, played an under-15 boys club team from Dallas? The little boys trounced them 5-2. What do you think would happen if the top female boxer fought the top male boxer?
I hear no one complaining about seeing women, or non-white men, in film. The only complaints I hear are from people who want REALISM.
Itâs fine to make films that offer a fantasy version of the worldâ what if a woman really were strong enough to battle a Predator?â but when thatâs all we get, and itâs presented as if it were not fantasy but the norm, youâre going to have a lot of vocally disappointed film fans.
What is the fantasy?
Also where do you get that there were no female Comanche Warriors? I've read several things that state that women fought along side the men, and that the women were in charge of the torture.
Comanche valued modesty: When warriors went into battle, they went in pairs because one could return and report for one who may not. A warrior never âbraggedâ on his or her own brave deeds.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-comanche-nation
The truth about the history of warfare is that women have always participated as warriors in defending their children, their families, their tribes, their nation. But the writers of historyânearly always menâthroughout the ages have fallen abysmally short of giving women due credit for their part in warfare.
https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/native-warrior-women
I would also say that I don't watch a movie like Predator for REALISM. share
No one is watching for realism in terms of the existence of actual predators from space, but the film around it should make sense. If the Predator is able to track his prey with heat vision, and fire accurately with his computerized aiming system, but suddenly in the final battle can't seem to locate anyone, and keeps missing when he does, the film falls apart. That's the balance between suspension of disbelief and believability I brought up before.
shareAnd what does any of that have to do with a female Comanche warrior?
I mean you say that there were never any female warriors. I work at a history museum, and while the exhibits aren't in my area I have been to our Indigenous Peoples' Experience, and I've spoken to some of the Elders in my area. While the Comanche were not a tribe in my area, other tribes did have women fight as well. Not all the time, but it wasn't set in stone that they couldn't.
Guess what? There were also black fur traders. So if we had a movie about them I bet there would be screams of "WOKISM" as well.
For starters, if there were female Comanche warriors, it doesn't change anything. The outrage is not about the presence of a female warrior, it's being forced yet again to see a female overpower a stronger enemy.
Your black fur traders example is nonsense. A better example would be if a film were made that takes place in 1820 Georgia in which we see a black run plantation with white slaves. Unless the film is one in which that is an accepted fact, i.e. some kind of alternate timeline, it would make no sense. A film in which black fur traders trade fur is just a film with some black fur traders trading fur. No one will care.
The fact that you have to make such ridiculous examples tells me you can't address the main issue: people are getting tired of nearly every film shoving politics down their throats, and sacrificing quality in order to do so.
The outrage is not about the presence of a female warrior, it's being forced yet again to see a female overpower a stronger enemy.
So would a male Comanche warrior be a problem as well?
I do not think that my example of back fur traders is out of line at all. We have many examples on MC where individuals get very upset at any movie which shows black people in non slave roles in the 17th -19th centuries as woke propaganda and obviously untrue.
You are complaining that the main issue is every film shoving politics down our throats, yet I haven't mentioned politics and yet triplea replied
So you can't be a leftist democrat if you're white skinned?
It seems that people are fine with politics as long as it aligns with their beliefs. I have no issues seeing strong female characters. There have been plenty so far in the Predator series. share
You have mentioned politics. It's implicit in this discussion. Hollywood has a political narrative they are pushing, and that is the crux of this entire conversation.
It isn't about females on screen, or females in lead roles, or even a female playing a skilled fighter. Nearly no one that I'm aware of is upset by the presence of female, or black, or any non-white-males in film. It's the manner in which they are presented that is the problem.
If a movie is made about fur traders, and some of the traders are black, I don't think anyone will bat an eye. It's when EVERY movie about every topic set in every era puts diversity in casting above all else that people become unhappy.
I should add that I'm not particularly upset by any of this, and I'm willing to suspend my disbelief more than most. I'm trying to point out the reality of what I hear from one side of this discussion, as you seem to be misrepresenting their opinions.
Nearly no one that I'm aware of is upset by the presence of female, or black, or any non-white-males in film. It's the manner in which they are presented that is the problem.
I suggest that you go and do some reading on this site and then come back and say that.
If a movie is made about fur traders, and some of the traders are black, I don't think anyone will bat an eye
You willing to put money on that?
It's when EVERY movie about every topic set in every era puts diversity in casting above all else that people become unhappy.
I think that there are some valid examples of movies or tv shows that have shoe horned in diversity for diversity sake. But I also think that people need to realize that the world is in fact incredibly diverse, and that what some seem to feel as a villainization of themselves, is just other people getting a chance in the spotlight. We have had almost 100 years of a very limited point of view on who a hero can be.
You have said that there were no skilled Comanche female warriors, then when provided with information which contradicted that you changed and then said that it didn't change a thing. I then asked if it was a male Comanche warrior would it still be a problem and you said
It isn't about females on screen, or females in lead roles, or even a female playing a skilled fighter. Nearly no one that I'm aware of is upset by the presence of female, or black, or any non-white-males in film. It's the manner in which they are presented that is the problem.
So you are saying that in the history of all civilizations, that no woman could ever be as skilled as a man at combat?
You then say that you aren't really upset by this, that you are just pointing out reality. Okay, which reality? That you don't like that current Hollywood is putting women as heros in almost impossible situations instead of a man in that same impossible situation?
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If this were a Rocky movie and they put a small female boxer in the ring with a seasoned heavy weight champion, I'd agree with you 100%. This is a fantasy/sci fi/action movie with aliens. I mean really no one should have ever been able to best them, and yet they did.
shareWhat about this stupid money argument? Is it YOUR money?
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