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Are the Amazons 800 years behind because they are all women?


Hence they never invented/discovered any of what constitutes human technological progress?

A bunch of women in a tropical island living in 1900s like it's still the middle ages.
That is a strong statement from such a feminist manifesto.
They could have invented high heels at least.

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More like 2000 years behind. They basically where at the same level as the ancient greeks.

800 years ago the rest of humanity invented guns ...

High heels are a symbol of patriarchy, they are used to make women more attractive for the males ;)

No males, no high heels.

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High heels were invented for Persian cavalry since 10th century, later mostly men wore them as status symbol.

Not until 1900s, women start to wear them as fashion items.

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What were supposed the amazons to do with cavalry on a small island?

But thanks for the info, interesting. btw, i was mostly sarcastic about patriarchy and all, but your info is still cool.

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They used it (not very effectively) in the first movie.

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I always knew them cavalry officers were froo-tay!

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The primary use of high heels in the west was for nobility to be "higher" above the often mud-laden streets of the cities. It was so you wouldnt get mud on your shoes and pants.

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Don't be so negative. It's true that their world wasn't technologically developed, but it was very clean.

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And flowery.

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And lots of scatter cushions.

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It is more of a romanticized world, where none needs to get through hard labor, you don't see any kind of farming activities, do you? Who built those magnificent buildings and structures? Everything seems to be just provided.

How did Diana know the concept of slavery? Being never left the island?

It is easy to create an utopia as a fantasy, it is full of holes once you start to think about it.

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Bingo.

And it's not only that they have plotholes. It's the concept itself. Amazon's island is a typical slavery civilization. Amazons don't seem worried with things like cleaning, farming, mining, building, and all those boring or unpleasant tasks. Do you imagine the Amazons fixing the sewage system?

Of course, the standard answer is that this is fantasy, so you don't care about those boring things! However... this is exactly how slavery works.

Modern Hollywood portray slave owners as evil (white) people who spend their time raping and abusing their slaves because they're very evil (and white) and they have nothing better to do. Real slave owners didn't spend their time thinking about their slaves or about being evil. They spent their time having fun and doing pleasant or stimulating tasks (since slaves were doing everything else). The mindset "I'm having a good time, I don't give a shit about how boring things get done", this is exactly how slavery worked in the real world.

It's quite an irony. You have all those movies portraying white-guilt evil cartoon slave owners that are absolutely unreal. And at the same time, you have a movie like this one, which is portraying a civilization clearly based in real slavery, like ancient times ones... and someway this is fine, it's OK.

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We actually see a teracce-farm in the wide shot flying over the island at the start.

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It is not about the farm. It is about farming and who is doing it.

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It's magic.

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They had slaves, probably all black men that were only allowed to work at night so they didn't scare the white women.

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And every Friday night they had pillow fights and did each others' nails. Their being technologically retarded was a good thing can you imagine the number deaths on the island if they had managed to invent cars?

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and dont forget about the dildo factories...they were on the other side of the island...

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They didn't have dildo factories, that would have been too advanced... they had to settle for the cucumber farm instead.

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haha good point!

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So cucumbers 🥒 are the hottest commodity on Amazon Island?

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considering how long they live can you imagine the population boom is men existed on the island?

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And every Friday night they had pillow fights and did each others' nails. Their being technologically retarded was a good thing can you imagine the number deaths on the island if they had managed to invent cars?

😂 😂 😂

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Not very accurate. Women fights among themselves as fiercely as men, if not more.

But men compete with each other mostly about wealth and power, the ability as providers and protectors.

The competition between women, as I perceive as a man, more on looks, beauty and fashion. Ambition and wealth would not make women more attractive as a sex partner.

So we have the same conclusion.

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I understand stand what you are saying.

However group dynamics ARE different. Working as a group on a common goal is what I was talking about.

Women are much more civilized...Advances in ideas would move more slowly.

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Women are more intimate, that is if no men are present.

"Girl's fights are more sneaky and more about backstabbing" as I paraphrase "Mean girls".

At least that is what I observed in office environments.

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Yep, I had the misfortune of working in a bank when I was in college and learned that women are the most petty backstabbing group you could ever imagine. I understand why women in general are paid less than men, they do less work and spend too much time bitching about each other instead of working.

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I think lack of ambition also plays a role as well. All we ever do is to impress the opposite sex, but men are less likely impressed by women's ambition, unless it is in the progressive movies or TV shows.

The most marriageable profession for women according to a comprehensive survey is ...... nurse. That is probably the least attractive profession for men.

So there is this inherent lack of motivation for career advancement in "male" dominant professions. What little girl dreamed to become a banker when they grow up? I can tell you a lot of young men wanted to become Gordon Gecko (As in the villain in the movie "Wall Street"). Michael Douglas till this day still have bankers walk up to him telling him how he inspired them to become bankers. But being a model, singer or actress, that is more attractive for girls. Because these professions make women more attractive, literally.

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wait, so the profession women want to marry the most are nurses?

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The profession where most women are married, I think. I read the survey results few years back, did not really check the details. Just went "Oh, that makes sense"

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Ah, so i read it backwards then, thanks for the correction.

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😅👍

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Right!

They are not DIRECT in their criticism of a idea, they will sabotage it another way. Supportive in the surface, but leaving doubts left unsaid.

Men are much more confrontational, thus vetting ideas better, finding logic flaws etc.. a better product produced.

**I say this with all due respect to Marie Curie.

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Exactly.

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😅👍

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Their sandwiches must have been on point though.

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no Cock Meat Sandwiches though

https://youtu.be/RzSnmL1mjJw
Harold & Kumar "Cock Meat Sandwich"

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This could explain why there are no cars.

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They are smarter than that bunch that cut down all the trees to movie those statues and then starved to extinction.
A series of devastating events killed almost the entire population of Easter Island in the 1860s. Such devastating events that contributed to the downfall and collapse of the Easter Island society can be attributed to the rapid deforestation during the time of moai-construction. The Easter Island palm was used by settlers for means of constructing agricultural tools for their society and aiding in the transport of the Island's statues.[32] It is likely the decline of the palm and the rapid deforestation that took place on the island caused the islanders to start to decline in population while those who survived were forced to completely adapt to their changing environme

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They were completely isolated. There was no need to go any further.

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I'm sure they were facing the same difficulties that others faced outside that island.
So, being content with a mediocre progress is just a sign of their backward culture, not a valid excuse.

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there's AN OLD SAYING: Necessity is the mother of invention. All their needs were met by the resources on the island, therefore there was no reason for them to try and invent things like cars, planes, computer or other modern conveniences.

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They were oblivious to what happened in the remaining 99,99% of the globe. That alone is something that stokes the basic need of knowing what is beyond our little backyard.

Or are curiosity and sense of adventure male exclusive sentiments?

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