When was America great? - Donald Trump Discussion

[–] Gd5150 (11049) 6 years ago

Simple it’s a reference to a time when the American dream was obtainable for more people. Due to more jobs created by higher economic growth, lower taxes, and people having the ability to take care of themselves and live the dream.

Your historical references can be applied to the entire world, not just the United States.

There’s a reason why the whole world has fought and died to move to the United States and take advantage of our opportunities. There has never been a country in the history of the world that has created more wealth for more people than the United States.

Making it great “again” means taking the country out of the hands of the career politicians who only serve to enrich and empower themselves. Who hold power to acquire more wealth and more power for themselves and their political party. And it means replacing the people who manufacture public perception in the education industry, and media, who hate the United States and wish to destroy it. Via chaos. Violence. Open borders. A weak economy etc... All things the left and demokkkrat media/party openly encourages.

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[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 6 years ago

Skimmed your wall of a post.

Seems like vague rhetoric that didn't answer the clearly defined question.

I'm glad to see you post without "lemming" or "hatred". So that's a win👍👍🤗

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[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 6 years ago

"Skimmed your wall of a post."
Wow, you seem like quite a douche! You ask a question, someone took the time to reply...a total of 8 sentences there, and that's the way you respond to it?
Jeesh, who do you think you are, you know?
Wow!

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[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 6 years ago

Thanks for bumping my thread back to the top super chief!

I know GD's replies all too well at this point. All regurgitated rhetoric from fux news. I don't need to swim in sewage to know it's sewage.

Notice in all of that reply he never clearly answered the original question? Just a bunch of vague rhetoric that deflects.

Who do you think you are super chief?

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[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 6 years ago

I don't know...I'm the guy that came into this thread thinking there might be a nuanced, even somewhat balanced discussion. Instead, the person starting it proved right off the bat that it'd likely be quite the opposite. Its your thread man, its kind of on you to at least pretend like other viewpoints might have worth. You asked the question...and yeah, I agree with you that it was all some canned bullshit, but that...I guess it just surprised me is all. What seemed like some immediate hostility.

You know that Reagan had the same motto, right? Make America Great Again? Yeah, its the most generic and stupid platform ever, but it makes total sense in the context of Trump's campaign.

Personally, what bothers me is the noise from each side...we're all just battling it out with seeming no attempts to hear each other. Its hard not to get involved in that...we all have something we want to say, but not many minds are being changed at this point, not with this adversarial type of discourse we've got going on.

Maybe that's what got me about your post. Just so adversarial right from the get-go, when it was obvious that you knew what you were talking about and could likely articulate a point that might be heard.

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[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 6 years ago

Go through GDs post history and that might help you understand my quick hostility.

He's a fux news stooge with no original opinion of his own

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

So how does Trump "make America great again" with his current tax policies that only lower taxes for the wealthy? How can people "take care of themselves" when Trump's anti-obamacare policies have throttled premiums and made healthcare unaffordable?

How can people obtain the American dream under Trump's tax policies when the benefits go to the corporations and therefore WAGES DO NOT GO UP?

What is Trump doing to take the "country out of the hands of career politicians who only serve to enrich themselves" when he's only increased the swamp with his swampy cabinet picks? And what good is it when you replace career politicians with a businessman who is only serving to enrich himself?

This is why people think trump supporters are dumb, because they claim to be for all the things you listed. Yet they support a president who does the opposite of what they claim they want. Trump's policies won't make the American dream affordable again, it will only put it even more out of reach for the average American.

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[–] Gd5150 (11049) 6 years ago

And you think Hilary was going to address those things? She’s never addressed them in the past. She didn’t even have a platform. She’s owned by special interests. Trump is not.

Trump paid for his own campaign. He’s a successful business man worth 3 billion dollars. Money he made running successful business that employed 1000s of people. Hilary has never successeded in anything.

He’s done 1000x more than she would’ve done. If Hilary had won, it would be more slow growth, stagnation, corruption, and blame. Her track record speaks for itself. Illegal email server in her basement. Couldn’t win the primary so she cheated. Couldn’t win the general, blames everyone but herself. She’s an uninspiring corrupt loser that the country refused. She couldn’t even bring a few thousand into her rally’s. No matter how many nonsense Demokkkrat Amazon Post stories you fall for.

They told us they didn’t wire tap. Now we know they did.

They told us they didn’t spy, now we know they did.

They told us hed kill the economy, it’s booming.

They told us he’d kill the markets. They’re at record highs.

For 20 months They’ve told us “the Russians”, despite there still being zero evidence. And all that after they spent 3 months telling us it was impossible to rig an election. They were so confident Obama told his cyber security chief to stand down against Russian meddling.

This is why we know demokkkrat lemmings like yourself are close minded mental slaves incapable of critical thinking. Incapable of independent thought. You cut and paste like a good little lemming. Someday you’ll wake up to your ignorance. Otherwise you’ll live a miserable life of obsessive hate. It’s your choice. Can’t blame the Russians.

#BrovemverIsCOming
#OpenYourMind
#FactsNotEmotions
#StopBeingAMentalSlave
#Walkaway

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

lol. Except there's a ton of evidence as laid out in the indictments. Here's a question for you.

Hypothetically speaking since you claim there is "zero evidence", if there were evidence against Trump, what would it look like to you?

It never fails that those that claim "no evidence" can never provide a coherent answer to this very straightforward question. I'll wait.

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[–] dponzi (133) 6 years ago

eyedef, I'm getting an additional 400 dollars a month in my paycheck. My 401k is growing faster than it ever has. Its the first time in 40 years that there's more jobs than people to fill them. I guess it really sucks doesn't it.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

eYe think you forgot to include the part of your pitch about how you work from home and the link to where I can discover the secret sauce behind your amway gimmick.

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[–] dponzi (133) 6 years ago

eyeDEF, I do work from home. I have since 1997. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I drove 50 miles each way to work and back for 20 years before that, before the advent of the internet. Please fit that into your equation, for whatever that's worth. And I've never done anything with Amway.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Oh you were being serious? Your post sounded practically indistinguishable from marketing spam often seen in facebook or youtube comments peddling a get rich quick pyramid scheme. So I initially read it as satire with "ponzi" in your nick.

Well good for you, I'm happy for you. I actually have nothing to complain about either so you shouldn't say it sucks when it's important to appreciate what we have. Especially in light of the expanding underclass of those left behind from skyrocketing wealth inequality as a consequence of regressive tax policies. They don't enjoy the same opportunities and resources we had available to become upwardly mobile. Imagine having to start out today saddled with 200k in debt from college tuition. Or relying on Obamacare and watching premiums go through the roof due to policies from an administration intent on dismantling it. Or being assed out of a job in an industry hit in the crossfire of a senseless trade war. Savor the moment and be thankful that just by sheer luck of birth you're not one of those hapless migrant workers imprisoned and separated from your child just for daring to seek a better life to do backbreaking work in the "land of opportunity". Or one of their kids scarred for life by the PTSD of being separated from their parents by the inhumane xenophobic policies of this administration. Have gratitude and rejoice because we hit the lucky sperm lottery and shit could just be so much worse for us.

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[–] dponzi (133) 6 years ago

I wouldn't attribute it to luck. Everyone has an excuse for their lot in life. Years ago, I had a wife that didn't work and 2 kids, and lost my job. I got 2 crappy jobs, and went to school full time, and paid for it my self. No loans. I busted my ass and did it myself. People can do it if they have the desire.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Being born in the states you've already hit the lucky sperm pool jackpot. You're for personal responsibility and not making excuses? Great, I think everyone should be for those things too. But advocating for personal responsibility and making the best of your lot in life should not be an excuse to deny people equal opportunities and be indifferent to policies of intolerance, oppression, and cronyism. That's just wrong.

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[–] crc32 (2584) 6 years ago

So how does Trump "make America great again"

He doesn't. He was just a counter weight to the far left policies of the previous president. Trouble is the president only cares about himself and doesn't give 2 shits about the will of the people which is the same problem I had with the previous president.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Can you cite what you mean when you refer to "far left policies" of the previous president?

Very curious about this.

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[–] crc32 (2584) 6 years ago

In terms of Obamas policies his stance on immigration reform to the point of stopping enforcement of immigration laws, his obama care shove, his constant habbit of chastising Christianity while showing a lot of empathy for Islam. His refusal to acknowledge Islamic terrorism even to the point of calling it workplace violence when it showed up in the west. Obamas repeated habit of apologizing for the US overseas.

Trump in turn then campaigned on stopping illegal immigration, stopping or redoing health care, tried to put a travel ban on Muslim countries(Yes it was based on the religious breakdown of the countries he targeted.). During the early obama presidency those policies would have been identified as far left but I guess became the norm during terms. I can't imagine any president before that that would have dared to block states from keeping illegal immigrants out of their state while the federal agents likewise did nothing. But now you hear democrats talking about abolishing ice. Trump also seems to want to bully around other nations (except russia for some reason. [rolls eyes]) and act tough in response to Obama's apology tour during his terms. IE people were just pissed off so he told them exactly what they wanted to hear and now we're all screwed.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Yeah his refusal to call out radical Islamic terrorism by that label was pretty annoying I agree. He was overly sensitive about not wanting to lump the actions of a handful of extremists in with a religion practiced by 1.3 billion people but his soft peddling was counterproductive in my opinion. The bad ideas in the Q'uran and as practiced by Muslims at odds with modernity that fuel extremism need to be addressed honestly so Muslims can begin their own Reformation like Christianity underwent 500 years ago. There's a reluctance by too many on the left to speak critically of Islam, even when their ideas warrant scrutiny.

Can you cite what you mean about Obama not enforcing immigration laws? Obama was hammered on the left for being the "deporter-in-chief" because of his shift in focus to forced removals of illegals from the previous practice of voluntary returns under Bush. His other major change in border security was focusing on removal of recent border crossers and criminals instead of ordinary status violators apprehended in the US interior. The reasoning was to act as a greater deterrent to illegal border crossings and to remove illegals before they became integrated into US communities:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

I'm also curious how you think Obama should have addressed the crises of unaffordable healthcare? Because Obama got the idea of Obamacare from the conservative Heritage Foundation who originally dreamed it up as a private sector alternative in response to the burgeoning unaffordable healthcare crises. Mitt Romney became the standard bearer for the conservative plan by implementing it as gov of Massachusetts. But as soon as Obama adopted it in hopes to get Republicans on board it was instantly demonized by the right. No one on the left really liked Obamacare either, as it was seen as inferior to single payer healthcare and an attempt by Obama to appease Republicans who refused to go along anyway, but still better than nothing. What should he have done?

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[–] crc32 (2584) 6 years ago

"Can you cite what you mean about Obama not enforcing immigration laws? Obama was hammered on the left for being the "deporter-in-chief"

Obama sued states for handling immigration on their own or rather his state deparment did and not leaving it to federal agents to do nothing. Obama had signed an executive order that blocked deportation for people that were illegally in the country for over 5 years. The supreme court blocked the order 2 years later.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/19/your-complete-guide-to-obamas-immigration-order/?utm_term=.60033f02f1be[/url]

"I'm also curious how you think Obama should have addressed the crises of unaffordable healthcare? "
I'm pointing out that trumps election is backlash against obama. I would have liked to see more regulation in the medical field for me personally and force states to allow buying insurence across state lines. Being able to purchase insurence from any state should be a right of all citizens that would go a long way in driving down the cost of insurence as well. I don't blame obama for that I suspect special interest groups are too big of an obstacle for congress it seems. And I'm pretty convinced the left like the idea of Obama care but probably don't like it now as the affordable care act while making purchase of insurance mandatory(Or pay a tax fine) it didn't really make it affordable but this dislike of obama care wasn't like till later. At any rate all I am saying is we got stuck with the turd we have now because he was portraing himself as the polar opposite of obama. Well that and the fact that we had too many micro GOP candidates that fragmented the GOP. And I'm pretty sure Trumps threate to run 3rd party (There by splitting the conservative vote) scared other candidates into endorsing Trump as they exited the primary.

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[–] Burk48917 (10999) 6 years ago

He asks a question, you reply, he "skims" the reply. Why post if you don't want to read the replies? And calling it a "wall" of a post, which is hardly longer than his original post,is just the typical liberal attitude. You didn't regurgitate what he really wanted to hear, so he didn't even take the time to consider it. The OP is transparent, and personally I think he's just trolling. I know some dumb liberals, but joffrey seems more like a caricature of a liberal than anything that's based on reality.

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[–] Gd5150 (11049) 6 years ago

It’s typical. I have no problem sharing with uninformed demokkkrat lemmings why myself and most Republicans vote Republican. Perhaps it’ll wake them out of their close minded mental slavery.

As for why they vote demokkkrat, I don’t need to ask, I already know.

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[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 6 years ago

When the reply is copy and paste nonsense rhetoric there is no point reading it in full. It's a waste of time.

Drumpf supporters seem like a caricatures of angry biggots willing to sell out their democracy because it's no longer completely skewed in their favour.

Drumpf supporters have no concept of reality, they live in a dream world concocted by their supreme leader. So please avoid speaking of something you know nothing about

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[–] Lord Rake (3823) 6 years ago

"So trump supporters when was america great and who was it great for?"

It was and is greater than every place people chose to move from to come to it.

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[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 6 years ago

But the phrase implies that it's not great and there was a time that it was🤔

(You can't make something that is already great, great, you can only make it better)

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[–] Octo (213) 6 years ago

That doesn't mean America is great, just that many other places are shit.

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[–] Lord Rake (3823) 6 years ago

Why are those places shit? This land was shit until a particular culture showed up. And you are arguing the definition of great compared to these other places it is great in terms of living a safe fulfilling life.

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