We've had enough of "America first." Time to tone down the fanaticism. Also time to get "God" out of the pledge of allegiance and restore it to its pre-red-scare integrity. And when oh when will some party have the guts to propose taxing the enormous wealth of churches? Enough with the righty meme that this is a liberal country!
shareTraditions are important
Traditions are how we honor those that came before us
And get the fuck off my lawn
I agree. Jingoism is a form of extremism, and people who think playing the national anthem at a sporting event is extreme, I don't get it. These are the people who get offended by displays of the flag. I remember a fellow graduate student (so we were adults) who was offended by this
https://previews.123rf.com/images/jordi2r/jordi2r2003/jordi2r200300032/141574652-new-york-city-usa-august-4-2018-bus-with-an-american-flag-and-people-around-drive-along-in-harlem-ma.jpg
Around here they don't even do the Pledge Of Allegiance every morning in most schools and you can't find a US flag in any classroom when you visit your kid's school
How long before they start playing this to start the school day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8EMx7Y16Vo
Lol are you still fearing the red menace! Imbecile!
shareSAYS THE MORON.š
shareCalling nyctc7 an imbecile was not called for
Disagreements are one thing but personal attacks over differences of opinion come off as ugly and foolish
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@Shogun: No advice for Kowalski using moron? And how about nyctc playing the Russian national anthem--is that appropriate, you excellent patriot (\s).
sharehey, you started the insults
Defend yourselfš
Are you just someone who can be led by the nose?
shareTo the kitchen, yes!
shareApparently, the best place to be at parties: -
https://youtu.be/62eTq8ErUOQ
Nice findš
Cool song
The kitchen, or 'The place of the food cooking' as you put it is the place to be!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs&ab_channel=rascrifice
shareWe stand and tears streaming down face for beloved Motherland
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jYGK4mZR8Ho/maxresdefault.jpg
ā https://youtu.be/u5-dkvfJfWI ā
shareAmerican soldier: In America, we have freedom of speech. I can stand outside the White House and criticize the American government.
Soviet soldier: We have freedom of speech, too! I can stand outside the Kremlin and criticize the American government.
Islamic protester: Free speech go to hell, I can stand outside 10 Downing Street and criticize the West!
Iāve seen that plenty of times with placards carrying that slogan, watching swathes of people that are anti-fee speech is so alien to me, Iāll never understand it.
If you need to be taught to have pride in your country by saluting a flag, in a schoolroom.....
shareYou may not be familiar with raising and educating children Martoto but I assure you, they need to be taught everything
Taught to salute a flag in order to be proud of their country though? Kinda like a cult.
shareIt's not done to be 'cultish' but as a sign of respect to a great nation and all of the people that helped to build and protect it
shareDafuq has that got to do with sports outside of sporting contests between nation?
shareWhat's the harm?
You seem to be upset by my posts and that seems odd to me
In any event, patriotic feelings towards America are a positive thing
"What's the harm" of singing the national anthem each time you get a haircut? Makes as much sense.
shareThere are not millions of people watching me get a haircutš
shareWhy not? My hair has it's own P.A. to do all it's social media - never mind Kardashian breaking the internet, pah!
shareSo it's just about virtue signalling to an audience of millions of people watching? I thought it was about learning to take pride in your country and freedom and shit.
No wonder the US is a fucking basket case. Showing off how proudly american they are that they can sing a terrible song about nothing and then taking a hissy fit if a batter looks at his own home run.
I bet if it was a choice between the singing the national anthem or players never looking when they crush a ball out of the park the fucking pussies would say "fuck the anthem".
You seem be the one having a hissy fitš
shareMy hairdresser actually does that before she cuts my hair - it brings a lump to my throat everytime.
shareAbsolutely Martoto it's indoctrination and nothing but.
shareNonsense, I live in America, not North Korea
If you'd like to be re-educated real fast, hop a redeye to Russia, China or several of the nations in the Arab world where criticizing the government could make you a missing person
Or go and live in Niger*. It would be hard to imagine anyone getting patriotic about living there.
*Worst country in the world to live (2021).
Wow, Niger huh?
Several years ago I read in The Economist that Somalia was the most dysfunctional country in the world...pirates, warlords, the Somali government had to operate from Uganda for security purposes
Their national anthem is probably AK fire
Somalia probably feature on a most dangerous country list; most of Africa is pretty bad. Posters that moan about developed countries really don't know how lucky they are.
Here are the 10 countries with the lowest human development indexes: -
1.Niger (0.354)
2.Central African Republic (0.367)
3.South Sudan (0.388)
4.Chad (0.404)
5.Burundi (0.417)
6.Sierra Leone (0.419)
7.Burkina Faso (0.423)
8.Mali (0.427)
9.Liberia (0.435)
10.Mozambique (0.437)
Jeez, Africa is a mess
I've read that European colonization did the people of Africa no favors
Some terrible but interesting history to read
@Shogun: Wow, how old are you? Good old "love it or leave it" makes an appearance!
share"Good old love it or leave it makes an appearance!"
Only because you mentioned it, my suggestion was merely that you should try talking smack about the government in certain other countries and let us know how it goes...if you can;)
Hmmm... a 51 posts poster already trying to stir a controversial topic, calling people imbeciles?
Nice what MOVIEchat has become.
I'm tired of this shit. Not tired of the trolls, cause they will always will be in any forums.
I'm tired of legitimate members responding to these kind of posts from OBVIOUSLY NEW accounts (*cough* socks *cough*).
Please stop giving these silly nonsense attention they craved for.
Only a person who hates America would be uncomfortable with a song that celebrates America.
shareSeriously. Some things need to be reinforced. Sport is battle and a celebration of the best of what humans are. We must be ever vigilant and proud for there are many who would tear us down. From without and within.
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I too get the dreaded uncomfortable feeling when I hear the national anthem. Please make them stop.
sharePlaying the. national anthem before sports is a must...it helps pick out the people offended by it and make sure you never become anything like them.
See.kids, the national anthem triggers those people. And you want to be nothing like those anti American weirdos.
What law is broken when people kneel during the anthem?
shareNo written law...the respect is broken.
kneeling before 1 of the few countries you get to make multi millions playing basketball, football, baseball, boxing. Is disrespectful.
If they literally lived anywhere else they would have not been given these opportunities. Not thankful for anything.
Didn't think so. Therefore he can do what he wants to do. Do you have the right to disagree absolutely but many wanted to censor him and say he doesn't have the right to do it. No one was harmed nor was a law broken that is what you can call a peaceful protest. Oh he's showboating! Well if you truly believe that why did you give him all that attention then? Wouldn't it have served you better to ignore him if you felt that way? Nope your ego won't allow it. He baited you and you fell for it. See and then people wonder why don't they peacefully protest? Well as you see you guys don't deal with that either.
share> Therefore he can do what he wants to do.
No. This is something a lot of people don't get. The 1st Amendment only means that the government cannot punish him for expressing an idea merely because of what the idea is. It says nothing about the manner in which the idea is expressed, nor does it restrict what private entities can do.
If you support a political candidate, you are free to create TV ads, et cetera putting your views before the public. But if you drive through residential neighborhoods at 3 AM and broadcast your views at 140 dB with an improvised PA system you will be arrested, and what you're saying has nothing to do with it.
Nor does free speech mean that a person voicing an idea is immune to others' reactions. I used to be an entrepreneur. If one of my employees had mailed out political material on my company's letterhead, I would have given one very harsh warning then fired him if he persisted. Similarly, when Kaepernick et al express their ideas while wearing their employers' uniforms, doing the jobs their employers pay them to do, in facilities their employers paid for, and using TV publicity their employers created, those employers have a legitimate interest in the matter -- and I and anyone else have every right to turn the TV off and voice our disagreement.
You are headed down a slippery slope here. Why do people get mad if Donald Trump gets banned from Twitter? Twitter is a private company but publicly traded. Therefore they have the right to censor whoever they want to. Funny thing is those people that want Kaepernick censored sing the blues about Trump being censored on twitter. Hypocritical?
Your example of blasting your views at 3 am is a poor example. One that is directly disturbing people listening to it that loud. That affects others it has nothing to do with the view. By listening to it that loud you are disturbing the peace which is infringing on other people's rights, therefore unlawful. That is a criminal offense. Now if you want to drive down a street holding up a political sign not making noise at 3am nothing can be done to you so long as you are on public property.
Never once did I say the nfl can't do what they want. You came to that conclusion on your own. I said he can do what he wants never did I say the nfl can't respond however they choose and that he is free of consequence. I also said you have the right to disagree but to say he has no right to do it is overstepping your bounds. That is the nfl's call not yours. The only say you have is whether you watch it or not. The nfl is now allowing it, therefore progress was made. Don't worry the nfl won't miss your contribution it will survive without you. Also that's a peaceful protest, don't like it? Too bad. The private company gets to decide on how they respond to the matter not a person whining on a couch. In this case the nfl accepts it.
No retort? Yeah I though not.
shareNo, this just slipped through the cracks. I saw this and meant to respond to it later that day, but I didn't get around to it. The following morning I had forgotten about it.
Your slippery slope argument is fallacious. Very few rights are absolute. The Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination is one such right; a criminal defendant cannot be compelled to take the stand, period. But most of a person's rights exist as compromises against the interests of others. For example, the Fourth Amendment balances the privacy right of the individual against the rights of others to have society's laws enforced, protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. Any such right might be extended too far, or not far enough, with malignant consequences. That does not mean that the compromise cannot or should not be made. Freedom of speech is not an exception to this.
The 3 AM example is right on point. You yourself acknowledged the distinction I was making when you said "it has nothing to do with the view [being expressed]." That's exactly right. It's not the view, it's the manner of expression. Yes, a law is broken in that case, and in that sense it's a different matter. But the existence of such laws confirms the point I'm making, that the right to voice an idea does not mean that idea can be expressed in any way a person chooses. Kaepernick certainly has the right to opine his idiotic contempt for America -- and I never said otherwise -- but there are a million other ways he could do it.
You didn't say the NFL cannot do what it wants. But you did say that Kaepernick broke no laws, therefore "he can do what he wants to do." It certainly seemed like you meant the NFL has no say in the matter, that he can do anything he wants with the only restriction being that his actions must be lawful. If you didn't mean that, then what did you mean?
No it is not fallacious. It showcases the double standards people go by and the hypocrisy. People tried to censor Kaepernick by saying he should not have the right to kneel during the national anthem. Meanwhile they moan and groan that Trump got censored on twitter. If the NFL has the right to censor Kaepernick than doesn't twitter also have that same right to censor Trump?
No the 3AM example is actually a bad one. You are committing a crime, which is infringing on other people's rights. If you had stuck with your company example that is a better one. It can be done in anyway a person chooses they are just not free from consequence. What I was pointing out is you or I are do not get the say in what happens to him the NFL does. People act as if they get a say in what he does when they do not. No one is forcing anyone to watch the football game, can you voice your frustration yep but to say he has no right to do it is overstepping. Also his contempt for America is not idiotic in my opinion.
I said Kaepernick can do what he wants, never once did I say the NFL can not respond the way in which they choose to. I do think he should not be punished personally because no law was broken. You think the NFL should censor him and I disagree. In the end the NFL gets the final word not you or I. If that is how it came across my bad but in the end I would kneel every time and dare someone to say something to me. I kneel just to spite people who get all upset about it. Lastly the NFL now allows this and I think it is absolutely terrific.
Whatever, dude. And Kaepernick's contempt is idiotic. But that's not surprising, because he's an idiot.
shareWhy is he an idiot? Because he disagrees with you and doesn't boot lick by bowing down and taking what is given to him? Such kind words and acceptance of another view. I am astounded by your class. I kneel because of people like you.
shareIt helps identify the weirdos who get their panties in their twist at others not conforming to your idea of freedom.
shareI wish the U.S. had a better national anthem. "America the Beautiful" or "God Bless America" would be my choices.
shareYes, it really is a dreadful piece of music. Itās strident, like military āmusic,ā and nigh impossible to sing. Letās impeach and remove The Banner.ā
shareIt's based on a poem that glorifies war. I thought that by the time we reached the 21st Century we would be more civilized than that.
It wasn't even the official national anthem until 1931.
> I wish the U.S. had a better national anthem.
Agreed. The notes span a full octave and a half, and so many can't sing it.
i would play in for international events. the super bowl is fine because it's a big event.
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