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Greatest mysteries in history?


Looking to read or watch something about real mysteries, it can be anything, pyramids, JFK, aliens, cults, life-death-heaven-hell, time travel, bigfoot, mind reading, people who 'vanished', etc...

Can you (seriously) mention some of the greatest mysteries ever.

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Where is Atlantis?

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Under the sea.

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Shore it is.

Haha, sea what I did there?

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Oh, stop being such a beach😬

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Oh buoy that was a good one. You just krill me 🤣🤣

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Dune be a stranger❤️

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Thanks. Won't give fin to the murky water if I can kelp it.

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Wet Dream by Kip Adotta

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No.

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Maybe?

I'm otterly confused.

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That's a really good one. Very Mysterious.

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That one was never a mystery. https://youtu.be/AgMcqNnqatw

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I don't give a fuck if you watch the video or not. You can stay misinformed all you want

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The Mary Celeste has nothing to do with the Bermuda Triangle, you absolute fkn degen

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alright, there is so much wrong with this comment I don't even know what to say. Did you think the Bermuda Triangle was the entire North Atlantic Ocean? Because then you'd be right. Unless you disagree with what tabloid magazines constitute as The Bermuda Triangle? https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/755dCopX8AvZOjjCMTb-fuR4S8I=/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost/public/RZUCSGRHTA5MHL24ULTTM56FH4.png

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This is the funniest shit I've read on this site in quite a while. I won't continue arguing with you anymore because you're either a troll or just really dumb, and you aren't going to top this last reply in entertainment value. But I'll finish with saying that I really do recommend that video I originally linked, this channel honestly just makes incredible videos (they made one on the Mary Celeste as well btw). He doesn't necessarily debunk mysteries just comes up with the most credible explanations and does so in an engaging way.

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Did it disappear? I thought it was found abandoned.

And who is to say when the crew abandoned the ship... it could have been a day out of harbour for all anyone knows.

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Even discussing the topic of the Bermuda Triangle does strange things to people.

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But remember, it's also a full moon. During normal moon phases, you can discuss the Bermuda Triangle and suffer no ill effects.

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I will take note of this.

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Louis XVII

https://www.historywiz.com/louisxvii.htm

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That's interesting. I wonder if they have any surviving DNA of Marie Antoinette, or either Louis's and if they can do something like the cops do with unsolved crime DNA and report if they ever get a hit on either, and then trace back the family trees?

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HOW SHOGUN'S WIFE HASNT FOUND ALL THOSE TEENAGE TRANSIENT CORPSES BURIED IN THE BACKYARD YET.🤔

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I'm not sorry to say I am way more uninteresting than that...My biopic will star that guy from that movie and will be pretty non-thrilling

Also, Fuck you K🤣

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🙂

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What really happened to Amelia Earhart? So much speculation over the years, but I still wonder if it will ever be answered and proven. I'm sure there are multiple shows about her.

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She ran out of fuel while searching for Howland Island.

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Well, I think we know that, but where did she crash? It's not keeping me awake at night, but I'm curious about where she ended up. So many theories about her final moments.

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Yup! The "inconclusive" evidence they found on Gardiner sounds pretty "conclusive" to me.

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Indeed. I hadn't looked at this in a few years and found that some more evidence has come in. A forensic anthropologist examined the records of remains found on Gardner Island (the actual bones have long been lost, but the measurements and descriptions of them have survived). He concluded that they were a better fit for Earhart than for 99% of the general population. And, an analysis of accounts made by people who claimed to hear radio transmissions from Earhart in the days after her disappearance -- claims dismissed at the time as hoaxes -- shows that the transmissions were made when the tide was low at Gardner. She could have only used the radio by running the plane's engine, and the theorized explanation is that having landed or crashed on the reef at Gardner, she wouldn't have been able to run the engine when the high tide partially submerged the plane.

Ric Gillespie, whom I mentioned elsewhere, seems to have originated the Gardner Island theory. He got overeager with his conclusions at first and had his hat handed to him by his critics, but after became more rigorous and disciplined in his reasoning. He's put together a pretty good case and I think he's probably got it right.

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When I was taking lessons, about 30 years ago, I asked my instructor if Earhart had been one of the factors that inspired her to fly. She laughed and said, "if you ever compare me to that fool again I'll kick you out of the cockpit at 5000 feet without a parachute."

At our next lesson she gave me a book to read, about Saint Amelia. I've long since forgotten the title but it was very enlightening. And it wasn't just some disgruntled iconoclast's rant about Earhart. I've seen the same criticisms about her from other informed sources over the years.

Earhart was at best a mediocre pilot. She had many accidents during her career, in circumstances which weren't demanding -- routine takeoffs and landings. Had she been an ordinary pilot, these would have ended her career. But her rich hubby, the public relations wizard George Putnam, would spin doctor the incidents and cover for her.

Her approach to preparations was lax, a mixture of "go fever" and "I'll just figure it out as I go." Her survival on the 1937 circumnavigation attempt depended on radio communications, but she didn't bother to learn Morse Code, one of the common modes of the day. When she got close to Howland Island it was apparent that for whatever reason, the ground crew could hear her but she couldn't hear them. Why? Could have been as simple as her forgetting to toggle a switch.

In any case she did get very close. The signal was so strong that one of the ground crew ran outside, thinking he might visually spot the plane. The long range navigation was done by her navigator, Fred Noonan. Earhart's task was to do the short range navigation to get to Howland once they got near. He did his job, she didn't do hers. And they both died for it.

Not much mystery there, I think. She couldn't figure out how to get them the last few miles to Howland, and they ditched somewhere. Where? Ric Gillespie has put together good circumstantial evidence that they ditched at Gardner Island, but I doubt we'll ever be sure.

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Sounds like Saint JFK jr who killed himself and his wife and sister-in-law via arrogance

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Funny, we were just talking about that in a different thread yesterday. I said there,

Another classic crash cause is, "I knew that the combination of aircraft, route, weather, time of day, and other factors made the flight beyond my experience, but I indulged in wishful thinking and convinced myself I could push my luck and get away with it." JFK Junior's death is the most famous example but far from the only one.


I'm a little more forgiving in his case. His overall record shows that he was unusually timid as a pilot; he'd bring along an instructor when trying new things, even when the novelty was so slight there was no need to have a coach. And it appears he fell prey to another common hazard among pilots. Multiple, smaller circumstances, each of which would not be enough by itself to necessitate cancelling a flight, combine to create a large hazard, and the pilot doesn't recognize this. In his case, he was under stress generally (his magazine was floundering). He was flying in a more muscular plane than he was used to. He was recovering from an injury (no evidence he was on pain pills, but the pain itself would have been a distraction). The flight was supposed to have been in the daytime, but last minute delays meant they'd fly at night. He was then under immediate stress (rushing to arrive at their destination on time).

Note that these stressors came from different directions and weren't applied simultaneously. Once you've accepted being out of your comfort zone by a certain amount, it's easy to not consider the cumulative effect of a new unusual circumstance. Had he taken a moment to ponder the big picture, he might have said "we're going, but in a slower plane. We'll be late and that's all there is to it." And they'd still be alive.

OTOH, he had about 300 hours flight time. That's a dangerous time generally, due to overconfidence. I don't know if I'd call it arrogance, or if it was a problem for him. But he's just as dead as Earhart is.

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Interesting post

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Makes me wonder about the Kobe Bryant accident.
I ended up concluding if you jump into enough helicopters enough times, an accident will happen, but that's not a very thoughtful conclusion.

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I've got a theory about Kobe's accident. I've know a little about flying helicopters, but unlike small planes I've never flown one. Never even been in one, for that matter. So my theory might not be worth much.

In order for an airfoil to generate lift, it has to be moving through smooth air. In an airplane, if you want to climb you pull the yoke back which increases the angle of attack -- the angle between the direction of airflow and the front to back axis of the wings. As that angle increases, lift increases, but the airflow over the wing gets less smooth and more turbulent. If you try to climb too steeply the airflow gets so turbulent that there's no longer lift, and the plane just drops. The cure for that is simple. Nudge the nose down, reduce the angle of attack, and get smooth airflow and lift back.

For a helicopter, there's a bad condition called "settling with power." The spinning blades churn up the air below them. No problem as long as you're moving horizontally and/or hovering or climbing. But if you're not moving horizontally and descend at the wrong rate, you can descend into your own turbulence. The blades lose lift and the chopper just drops. The cure is to slide horizontally out of the turbulent air into clean air.

I don't recall the details of the accident, but when I heard those details at the time it sounded to me like the craft had settled with power, the pilot attempted to recover, but they didn't have the altitude to do it.

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Yes, I doubt we'll ever be sure where she ended up. But I'm not ready to write her off as a mediocre pilot. This was in the early days of aviation and there was still a lot to be learned. And I give her credit for venturing into a field that was dominated by men. She was a pioneer, for sure.

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Anyone wanting to admire her as a feminist icon is on solid ground. She did indeed try to achieve in a field dominated by men. She insisted on a pre-nup in her marriage when it would have been to her advantage to not do so. She generally refused to be constrained by the traditional women's roles of the era.

But I stand firm on my assessment of her as a pilot. Here's her accident record.

August 31, 1928 - Avro Avian
Pittsburgh, PA
Landing accident. No injuries, substantial damage to the aircraft.

September 30, 1928 - Avro Avian
Tintic, UT
Forced off-airport landing . No injuries, minor damage to the aircraft.

August 19, 1929 - Lockheed Vega 1
Yuma AZ
Landing accident . No injuries, minor damage to the aircraft.

September 30, 1930 - Lockheed Vega 5
Norfolk, VA.
Landing accident. Minor injuries, severe damage to aircraft..

June 1931 - Pitcairn PCA-2
Abilene, TX
Takeoff accident . No injuries, totalled aircraft, letter of reprimand from
Department of Commerce.

July 1931 -Pitcairn PCA-2 ( replacement aircraft)
Camden, NJ
Landing accident . No injuries, minor damage.

September 1931 - Pitcairn PCA-2
Detroit , MI
Landing accident . No injuries, totalled aircraft.

March 20, 1937 - Lockheed 10E Special
Honolulu, HI
Takeoff accident. No injuries, extensive damage.

May 21, 1937 - Lockheed 10E Special
Tucson, AZ
Engine fire on ground. No injuries, minor damage.

That's way too many, even for that era. She did manage to crash her way into competence with the Vega and had a few accident free years with it. Then she upgraded to the 10E and the same pattern started all over again. A few months later she was dead.

Flying is a very expensive activity. An ordinary pilot with this sort of record would have to find another career; no one would hire or insure him. Earhart was able to fly because of Putnam's patronage and because she made money not from flying but from writing and lecturing.

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It’s interesting to read that they think her dead body was eaten by crabs.

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"Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?"

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If you do, who are you going to call?

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Alex Jones!

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Nope...Leslie Jones

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KFC chicken ingredients.

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Chicken, flour and spices. There.

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