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What was with the pedophilic connotations?


This is one of my fav movies but it could've done without the underage attraction between Leon and Mathilda. The one shot that kind of lingers on her backside I always found weird.

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She is certainly into him but I didn’t get that he’s into her, although I’m troubled by the fact that the only reason he refuses her offer of sex is because... his heart was broken once before. Leon, dude, how about it’s because she’s fuckin 12??

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He was trying to protect her feelings, bud. He tells her, "You're too young. Nope, sorry." and she throws a tantrum. This is the same girl who fired a gun outside into the streets because she got mad at him. He tells her he had his heart broken? Situation diffused.

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I don’t buy that. He’s almost in tears regaling his story of a broken heart, he means it, he’s not palming her off with a BS story.

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I bet you believe everything women say too. lol

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Why would you bet that?

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He likes sure bets.

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i watched this movie when i was 15 about a decade ago and thought it was overrated but forgot about that pedo part. now i vaguely remember it, maybe that way why i didnt like this movie and thought it was weird. i was pretty baked when i watched it and dont remember to much except for the white dude assassin with rasta dreads

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They really emphasize it I think the Director cut. Also Rasta dude was funny, I always thought him being part of Stansfields thugs was funny.

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yeah he was for sure the best part of the movie. i remember the whole thing being pretty boring until he showed up

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When I saw this in the theater back in the 1990s it was a little odd, but I felt a more protective connection. In the director's cut I think it was more implied and creepy.

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agreed

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Do you know what pedophilia is? Because Leon isn't one. He rejects Mathilda's advances every. single. time.

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Its normal that sexual feelings awakens at her age. People don't turn into sexual beings at the flick of a switch when they turn 18.

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Totally understandable on her end. It’s Leon’s side that’s fishy.

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Leon doesn't do shit to her. He rejects her advances constantly and shows no interest in being interested in her sexually.

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Agreed, all he had to say was ‘I love you like a daughter, that’s as far as it goes’, instead he says he can’t bone her because he had his heart broken once before - not a great reason.

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You have to remember who wrote the script. It really just has a very French feel to the whole movie which is understandable. Remember it is only in 2021 that France passed an age of consent law, prior to that you had a society where boinking little girls was allowed.

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Oh yeah, Luc Besson is clearly a grubby Frenchman who’s into younger girls, and he goes to some lengths to sexualise Mathilda - like having her perform a Marilyn Monroe routine with plenty of lipstick and pouting - while it explains some of the dogdier sequences it doesn’t really excuse them.

I still prefer the director’s cut but Leon’s questionable reasoning for not boning Mathilda feels… borderline.

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I'm not trying to excuse it, just telling you why it is the way it is. If you look back on a lot of french cinema going back decades it is filled with borderline pedo crap, hell this is a country that provided sanctuary to Polanski the rapist of kids when there is zero doubt about his guilt.

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This is what at least some cinema does -- examine taboos, the edges of society, what is actually important and what's just some bugaboo that bothers some of the old customs. There SHOULD be a sexual edge to this film, otherwise it's some Disney movie.
And I want Leon to be a Decent Man, to respect this young person's journey in Life.
However he frames it for her understanding, I don't really care all that much.
As long as he ends up being a good guy toward this young lady.

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Not boning kids is not a taboo that needs to be ‘examined’, it should be cast in stone forever.

Leon ended up being a ‘good guy’ for the wrong reason - he didn’t refuse her advances bc she’s a kid, he refused them bc he’s been hurt before. Which calls into question how much of a good guy he is.

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'Remember it is only in 2021 that France passed an age of consent law, prior to that you had a society where boinking little girls was allowed.'

Not exactly. This was the situation prior to France setting an age of consent;

Sex between adults and minors under 15 was already illegal, but was up until now only prosecuted as rape if there was proof of coercion through “violence, constraint, threat or surprise.” When there was no proof of coercion, it was prosecuted as another, lighter offense called atteinte sexuelle sur mineur or “sexual act on a minor,” punishable by up to seven years in prison.


https://www.politico.eu/article/france-sets-age-of-consent-at-15/

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There weren’t any at all, Nathalie was besotted with Leon, who never reciprocated her advances once.
He loved her as a daughter.

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Leon only wanted to protect the girl and wasn't sexually interested in her, but Mathilda kept asking Leon to sleep with her and told the hotel clerk Leon was her lover. There's a scene when Matilda wanted him to kiss her before she becomes drunk and Leon exposes her to violence in several scenes that are only in the director's cut.

The director's cut is edgier than the theatrical version.

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Yeah I watched the director’s/extended cut. And she wanted him, he didn’t want her.

It was all her, which makes it not paedophilic, since he said no. Repeatedly.

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But it's indulging in the director's fantasy of a child being willing to sleep with a grown man. The movie is not about Leon being moral.

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Has there ever been a girl Mathilda's age who was sexually interested in an adult? In real life, I mean. Do teenage girls develop crushes/obsessions with older men?

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Are you joking? Were you never a teen? I didn't even have many girls I could talk to at that age but I knew two who had a STRONG crush on older guy -- a male teacher in one case. Two girls who followed him and found out where he lived even - Sent anonymous love notes... A couple of years later they were able to laugh about it and reflect on how it had all looked like The World of Henry Orient (1964). Then, in my twenties there was a fourteen year old girl I met who was actually tormenting a friend of mine, also in his twenties. He was very mature about it, I would have run for my life--even in the '70s the concept of jail-bait was familiar.
Mathilda was just two years younger than these girls.

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Am I joking about what? I asked a few questions.

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Sorry, but I thought they were much too obvious. Girls always seemed to have significant crushes on much older men. I assumed it was just common knowledge. Perhaps it has become less common.

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Obvious about what? What the fuck are you talking about?

I asked him a few questions because I'm trying to prove a point.

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Well, fine. I agree with your earlier points about Leon's behavior being entirely appropriate with respect to Mathilda. My answer to your questions about girls Mathilda's age are: Yes, there have been girls her age sexually interested in an adult. And... In real life teenage girls have often developed crushes on older men.

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Right. Yes. Teenagers can and do act like that. So why can't this part of the movie be about that instead of a "the director's fantasy of a child being willing to sleep with a grown man"?

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I avoid knowing more than the minimum about all artists. It helps to be able to read/view their works without the, often disappointing, traits of the creator getting in the way. I don't care what creepy shit may be lurking in the directors mind--I buy Leon and Mathilda as they appear in the film. Mathilda grew up in a bad situation and was prone to behave a bit inappropriately. Leon was a strangely naive character who nonetheless had a strong enough moral sense to behave appropriately towards her.

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I think in the original cut, there was a scene that implied they had sex. And people think the "Hollywood is full of pedophiles" assertion is just a conspiracy theory.

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No such scene. Not Hollywood... France.

This is really a French film. There is an acceptance of sex between adult men and young girls which is very disturbing in France. Two cases in which adult men had sex with 11 year old girls were found not guilty because the girls "consented".

The French director/writer said the Leon/Mathilda relationship is autobiographical because he met his girlfriend when she was 12, but he claimed the relationship didn't become romantic until she was 15.

To be fair, Americans did the same especially in the South not too long ago ex. Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis.

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Possible, or.....or, they all are apart of the entertainment world that seems to love preying on the young (e.g. Kevin Spacey, Bryan Singer, Roman Polanski, Victor Salva, James Murphy, Bob Villard, Marc Collins-Rector, Brian Peck and on and on). Pressley and Lewis were both Hollywood. Note in "The Professional", Portman hadn't even developed secondary sexual characteristics, so it was technically pedophilia.

https://moviechat.org/tt3677412/An-Open-Secret

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If you're talking abuse, then it's not limited to Hollywood. It's throughout society - priests, boy scouts and the next door neighbor.

If you're talking culture, Elvis and Lewis were following a Southern tradition of marrying very young girls. 13 and 14 were common ages for marriage. Another tradition was marrying a cousin which is where the inbred jokes about southerners originated. The British were horrified when Lewis brought his 13-year-old wife/cousin there.

Men in cultures around the world historically married very young girls.

In general, older men prefer very young women which is not limited to Hollywood. Rich men are more likely to get what they want while poorer men settle.

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Priests and boy scout masters get a bad rap. Rates of abuse are lower for those groups than in the general population, but of course the media won't acknowledge that (projection). However, given the amount of abuse we know about in Hollywood, and that it probably just the tip of the iceberg, the amount of abuse is scandalously high given the relative small size of the industry.

"Men in cultures around the world historically married very young girls."

Throughout most of human history life was brutish and short, but even still, marriage was put off until the girl developed secondary sexual characteristics. It certainly isn't the norm in modern western civilization where the average lifespan is pushing 80 years old. It sounds to me like....like.... you are defending pedophelia! Who am I talking to?? Would the feds be interested in what you have on your hard drive?!

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You sound like you're a QAnoner - delusional, paranoid and into conspiracy theories. You're also a hypocrite because QAnoners supported Trump who molested children, supported a pedophile candidate and befriended a child sex trafficker.

Furthermore, you support child abuse as long as it's done by a priest or scout leader which is repugnant:

"Priests and boy scout masters get a bad rap. Rates of abuse are lower"

One is one too many! They get the rap that they deserve.

You're projecting your desire for children onto others. You hate Hollywood, yet you're on a movie blog. Why did you even watch "The Professional?"

I'm assuming you're a southerner and child marriages are in your ancestry which is why you're defending them.

That's untrue that marriages were put off until puberty which used to be around 16 for girls. Even royalty were married before puberty. They didn't consummate the marriage until later.

And why were you closely examining if Natalie Portman had "secondary sexual characteristics"? That alone is freaky behavior on you part.

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