I understand it is easier to be selfish, greedy, mean, vengeful.
But the benefits for yourself and society of his "love your neighbour like you love yourself" are so clear and in your face that it's unexplicable how few people do as he did and tought.
Why are we so obtuse and priitive? Why can't love rule?
They don't actually believe he's real.
It's in the back of their mind that it's bullshit. If not, you would be doing everything he said.
Also, churches are designed to provide a free ride to the leaders. It is there to make it so they don't have to work. So, religious leaders invite people to take part "in church" not the activities and ideas Jesus promoted.
Jesus says to not go to church and not to pray. What minister tells people THAT while shooing them home, lol?
I didn't mention any religion nor church. Why does everybody keep bringing them up?
I only talked about Jesus, who said quite a few clever and revolutionary concepts that anybody can agree with.
He was likely invented by Italians to create an alternate movement against jews in the mideast.
So, he has been part of some church/slash cult from the beginning.
The proof of this is that there's no mention of him until after hundreds of years after he was said to exist. Mohamed is the same. Both guys fail the "history test" which is that outside cultures must talk about the person and events to verify that it's not some culture's fantasy.
For instance, Mohamed was supposed to have had all of these wars in the mideast. However, these aren't talked about by the Greeks and other cultures that were in the area and did a lot of writing. So, Mohamed is the creation of a cult. They used an "amazing story" about "When we were awesome" to get a cult going.
Jews did the same thing as there is no evidence of their stories being real at all. The same thing goes for Jesus.
That's a mideast thing to get governments going in ancient times.
Whatever...and also Buddha didn't exist...nor did Julius Caesar.
Who the fuck cares anyway?
So mickey mouse tells you the secret to a happy and harmonious life.
Your reply is "but he is a cartoon created by an american animator"?
Then why listen to any philospher in hostory, afterall anything they have elaborated is pulled straight out of their ass...
I'm just arguing why doesn't everybody just listen to the wise words by Jesus (real or not) and get on with the program for a better world.
I guess your reply speaks for itself: people would rather look at the finger pointing at the moon...
Buddha probably didn't exist.
Julius Caesar probably did due to records about him.
However, your point is good. I say the same thing about Superman. I love that story and the ideas of being a good humble guy with great values who is really a super monster inside, but would never allow himself to be. It doesn't matter who wrote it.
However, the story of Jesus masks hate and prejudice. How do you go to heaven? You have to accept him. If you don't, then how are believers going to react? Based on human nature a tiny portion will do what Jesus said and be your friend, but a larger number will hate you for not being part of his fake group.
All of the religious create prejudice in people by making artificial groups.
I'm not a follower of any religion, but the 10 commandments seem like a decent set of rules to live by in society, whether you associate them with a faith or not. (some might not be applicable, like idols and taking the name in vain etc, but overall any decent human should have no issues going along with the rest).
shareYes, that s my point.
Even easier is the single commandment by Jesus: love your neighbour like you love yourself.
You do that and all the problems in the world are gone.
And yet, 2000 years later here we are...I guess there s a shortage of decent humans...
Well maybe the problem with it is that it's an unachievable ideal for most people in most circumstances. For instance I have a hard time believing that anyone can love a fellow human being at all let alone contemplating the idea of universal love. Perhaps that's why "love thy neighbour" has never taken off and worked as a universal panacea.
I think you have a good point there.
If anything I find it easier to hate everybody (not viscerally but on a superficial level, I instinctively don't like others, rather than see how amazing they are).
Maybe nobody has ever evolved a practical way to achieve loving your neighbour like you love yourself, or develope an education system based on it, so that people will find it more natural. I think every single sane person in the world will love a pet naturally. But we are raised and trained to compete with, criticize, overpower other humans.
I know that I'm wrong myself being so hateful, and when I meet or hear somebody who's on the other side of the spectrum, I always admire his wisdom, courage and strenght. I wonder what kind of training they endured to be so cool.
I wonder what kind of training they endured to be so cool.
I just assume that either they're faking it or there's something wrong with them.
If by something wrong you mean they are awesome, than I agree with you. I mean, Usain Bolt has got something wrong with him to be that fast, or Federer hitting the ball so easily, etc. Awesome people all have something wrong with them.
You need to be so sure of yourself and have faith in the universe to be able to love strangers like Jesus preached.
To love your enemy you need to be even greater. To be spiteful and hateful is the easy way out, anybody can see that. Let me repeat it, these people have something more than regular ones, I wonder how they got there, I doubt religion has anything to do with it.
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Well being on here wonĀ“t help you much. Especially if you engage with angry people which there are plenty of on MC. IĀ“m a Christian obviously, I can get defensive here but I donĀ“t hate anyone. I love everyone and I pray that everyone here will come to Christ. If you are sick of being angry and want peace, why not try it? You donĀ“t have to go to a church or give money away. God wants a relationship with you, if a small part of you believes in him. Ask for his help.
shareBilly I appreciate your invitation but I'm not talking about religion, but just the good teaching from Jesus.
His words are wise no matter your faith, that's what surprises me: anybody should embrace them, very few do.
But like it's been said on this board, it's just a hard to reach ideal for lots of people, that just choose the easy way out. I think that's because we are educated to the opposite way of life, so it looks so hard to love.
Jesus said that if you even think negative thoughts about another it's a sin equal to murder, since all sins are equal.
I try to do this. I try to clear my mind and not think badly about people. It is not always successful but I try.
IT IS VERY HARD to have such mental discipline.
Giving is also tough.
You are also supposed to give secretly and not talk about it. That can be tough because it feels good.
"Jesus" was nuts !
He wasn't nuts.
One theory is the Romans made him up to call jews out on their bullshit.
He literally contradicts every important jewish idea. If you know both religions it's easy to see.
If that is true, he was like a propaganda movie.
Superman was created to counter Nazi propaganda and philosophy, for instance.
"Superman was created to counter Nazi propaganda and philosophy..."
Interesting. It could have gone one step further if Superman had been a Jew, but that was probably a step too far in the late 1930s, even in the U.S.
To date, has there been a Jewish superhero? I haven't read comic books since I was thirteen or fourteen, so I'm not up on the latest developments.
Yes, Ben Grimm The Thing from Fantastic Four is supposed to be jewish.
In the movies they were implying Barry Allen The Flash is jewish, but I never saw that in the comics.
The guys that invented Superman were jews. However, they weren't cult type jews, but rather jewish guys that thought it was good to integrate. According to Jews, they are super people. Their "souls" weigh more than infidels, they are people who god loves because they chose him before birth, and so forth.
So, if a jew decides to go out and help the public, he is doing something that is totally out of the box. They have "mitzvots" meaning "commands" to do all kinds of negative things to outsiders. Superman does not do that but rather knows he's different and decides to help anyway. That was the "melting pot" idea that was popular at the time and less popular now.
Anyway, jews as "national communists/socialists" and take care of their own group. They have Kibbutzs which are communist camps where some choose to live. A "Mensch" or "great guy" is a person who uses his talents to help the whole community, not just himself. That is Superman.
The Nazi version is from Nietzsche where he says a real man is a "taker" and commands others to do what he wants. That is called the UberMensch which means Superman. Our character was meant to illustrate the opposite.
There is no such thing as Jesus. He's just one of many fictional characters in a book of fairy tales called the Bible.
shareOh Really explain Israel real-world existence then it was once known as Judea and the Promise Land
shareJudaism is a fake cult and none of their history is real. There is no evidence of it.
It's the Star Wars technique and they used it to build their cult. I long time ago, we were great! Let me tell you the tale of when the Jews, yes....that's what we are called, were great, etc.
The guy who started the Mormons did the same thing.
Jesus is the same idea. He was created long after he lived. Let me tell you the tale of a savior who came and...
Mohamed is also fake and there's no record he lived. Let me tell you the tale of great warrior or god he is related to US!...
Mohamed claimed to know the existence of Jesus. Is he fake too?
shareMohamed was born almost six hundred years after the supposed birth of Jesus. Mohamed saying he knew of the existence of Jesus is the same as you saying the same thing. It means nothing.
shareMohamed is not real.
Stories about him were written a long time after. On other culture in the area wrote about him and his wars, because they didn't happen.
It's a technique to get crowds listening. You tell them a fantasy story about a great person they are related to somehow who lived long ago. It's unifying bullshit.
Catholic Religions worship God, not Jesus. They aren't "Christian" by definition.
Protestant religions do worship Jesus, and are by definition "Christian", hence the whole "protest" part of the name.
What example is that: holding an eternal grudge against your enemies?
shareCatholicism teaches you fear everything, or you'll go to hell.
Protestant does not teach these things.
I was raised Lutheran and converted to Catholic. You're wrong. There are many protestants who teach nothing but fear.
Catholics primarily teach about Christ. The Mass is the procession of the Last Supper. Confession was started when Christ told his followers to go, hear confessions of sinners and forgive in his name. The prayers are lifted from the old and new testament. Each sacrament has its basis in theology and the bible.
I have a feeling you don't actually know what Catholicism is. Are you too busy reading Jack Chick cartoons?
I've spent time in both churches and it was just my observation of both services.
shareAnecdotal evidence is just observation and not a good measure of the whole.
It would be unreasonable to judge all Lutheran Churches off of one. Some days, you just miss the good moments. If we followed that line of thinking, all Baptist would be demonized by Westboro.
Pretty sure I said "churches" as in plural...of both.
shareSo? You statement is still a false equivalence and mischaracterization. So it doesn't matter if you've been to two or more services. You besmirched a group and got called out for being wrong. Just accepted it and find another subject.
I was raised Lutheran and converted to Catholic. You're wrong. There are many protestants who teach nothing but fear.
Catholics-- the original church, founded by Jesus
Protestants-- decided some dudes knew better, and made some changes.
We all know who the real Christians are. :)
Jesus, even if he existed, didn't found the Catholic Church.
Protestants created Western Civilization and the modern world while the Catholic Church did its best to hold it back.
Who is we ?
Really? Troll posting on a Jesus board?
shareTo call it "His" example is to suggest there were no kind people prior to approximately two thousand years ago, which is preposterous.
shareIsn't your whole comment preposterous?
So if I jump in front of a bus to save a cat and manage to do it, I'm not setting an example because somebody else has also done the same before me?
I agree with you. I think most people are very selfish and only care about themselves. Think about it; people are not happy when good things happen to you; they are resentful and jealous. There is nothing certain in this world; like George Michael said in his song 'Praying for Time'- it's hard to love when there is so much hate, hanging on to hope when there is no hope to speak of....
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