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What is the unsolved mystery you wish was solved?


I've always wanted to know what happened to madeleine mccann or the grimes sisters

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The Hinterkaifeck Murders

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I'd never heard of that. Just read up on it. Interesting.

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Who was behind the Kennedy assassination(s). Not a lot of hope there, but more that finding out who Jack the Ripper really was. With the Kennedy assassination, there's still a possibility that new information will be declassified or made public after someone's death, but it's just too late to get anything new on the Ripper.

Same for the identity of the Zodiac Killer, something new might still come out.

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I've spent years on the JFK assassination. There's a ton of inconsistencies in the Warren Report (which took me 2 fucking years to read), there were a lot of witnesses who say their words were twisted, and how only a small portion would be on the record. A few would say an FBI agent would say, "You didn't see that".

Who ran it? Alan Dulles, former CIA director that JFK fired (which is a no-no) over The Bay of Pigs... Read "The Devil's Chessboard" if you wanna know about Alan and John Foster "Common Cause" Dulles "We pledge our lives, our country, and up to $75"

FBI questioned Oswald for an entire day... No transcript... Why did the coroner burn his notes?

Dallas City officials talked about Jack Ruby constantly being around the police station. He's on video saying, "The truth of this case will never be known" but said he'd say he'd tell the story if Early Warren (Chief Justice) would send him to DC.. Warren said he couldn't.... Remember, Gerald Ford? He was J. Edgar Hoover's spy.

Oswald had one friend in Dallas... George du Morenschildt (CIA guy). There's a five hour interview with Dutch-American journalist, Willem Oltmans that I haven't finished with his wife.... Oswald had his unlisted number in his pocket when they found him, with 30 cop cars surrounding the theater to show how much our country cares about stealing the price of a ticket.

In 1980, the CIA admitted Oswald worked for the agency "in some capacity"... It's called "sheep-dipping".

The why? For standing up to the warfare state. Cuba, USSR, Vietnam. There's video of him saying, "We'll start withdrawing advisers this year (it was Oct/63) when he said it, also on YouTube.. There's another great video saying how if we involved ourselves with combat troops, the North Vietnamese will not look at it as a political struggle, but a nationalistic cause... "It's their war".

LBJ was interviewed, and he expressed doubt about the findings, and had the tape edited.
Just don't watch the movie "JFK"

The character limit on here is pathetic... There's a lot of more things to add.

Even the US government came to the conclusion there was more than one gunman.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html

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> Even the US government came to the conclusion there was more than one gunman. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html

I agree that the Warren Commission rushed its work and overstated its conclusion. It's one thing to say, "We found no evidence of a conspiracy"; it's quite another to say, as they did, "There was no conspiracy."

It's been a while since I've looked at this, but IIRC, the mid-1970s HSCA conclusion you've cited here was due to some last minute audio "evidence," a dictabelt recording of a motorcycle cop's radio which was stuck in transmit mode -- a "hot mike" -- and appeared to demonstrate multiple gunshot sources. The committee was set to conclude that LHO acted alone, but changed its conclusion based on that recording. Later, that evidence was discredited when the recording was published and a musician listened to it and picked out dialogue which proved it could not have been made at the time of the assassination.

To me, it's simple and straightforward. The majority of witnesses reported three shots, and nearly all reported that they all came from the same direction. Now, with all the buildings there for echoes to bounce from, it's understandable that some witnesses would perceive the shots coming from a direction other than their true source. But if the shots had come from multiple directions, wouldn't those witnesses have perceived them as coming from multiple directions? Yet that didn't happen.

Meanwhile, an eyewitness directly below Oswald's window correctly described the Mannlicher-Carcano's barrel and stock -- an unusual one in that the wooden stock extended almost the full length of the barrel. And, three earwitnesses who were on the TBSD fifth floor, directly below LHO, correctly described the sound of a bolt-action rifle being fired and recycled. These four witnesses gave these descriptions before the rifle was found.

I think LHO acted alone, but I could buy the idea of a small conspiracy. Say, a second nut. LHO couldn't drive, so the plan was that his nut buddy would pick him up and hustle him over the border to Mexico. Then, on the morning of the 22nd, Nut #2 had a rare moment of lucidity and thought, "What the hell am I getting into!?" and stayed in bed. Then LHO did the shooting, went outside and -- no ride. This would be consistent with his behavior afterward -- aimless, panicky, as if thinking, "What the hell do I do now?"

The problem is that although there's no evidence to rule that idea out, there's no evidence to imply that it did happen that way. And without actual evidence, one is free to conclude anything. Elvis did it. Frank Sinatra did it. Joe DiMaggio did it. The possibilities are endless.

There's certainly room for debate on the assassination. But I've also come to some other conclusions. Book publishers don't care whether their products are truthful, they're merely concerned with being safe from libel suits. Without having ones statements subjected to critical review, a skilled author can take any piece of horseshit and make it sound plausible. And many conspiracy authors are simply charlatans, milking their cash cow.

> Just don't watch the movie "JFK"

An excellent example. Remember the scene when Costner and Jay O. Sanders are at the 6th floor window, sighting through the rifle? They conclude that the best "first shot" would be just after the car turned onto Houston Street instead of waiting for it to turn onto Elm Street, and that it's very unlikely the "lousy shot" Oswald would have missed the first shot but hit the next two. But later, when Costner describes the events in the courtroom as the Zapruder film plays, the team of world class marksmen miss their first shot. Hey, if two things contradict each other, just space them far apart and many will never notice.

Ever seen Executive Action, a movie made in 1973? Sort of a more laid back, low key version of JFK, and told from the conspirators' POV. A good movie, even if thoroughly dishonest. And it's free, online: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uhs0j

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"Executive Action" was a good movie. I remember it reminding me of the JFK assassination - probably a few trivial things to tickle the target audience. I record almost everything from TCM, and might even have an automatic recording for Burt Lancaster.

Publishers are just like the media.. "My good source, my dog Buster"

Do you remember "The Pike Report"? It might have been a part of the Church Committee, but Congress voted 2:1 to not have it on the record. A few years ago, the JFK files were supposed to be released, unless the President blocks it, and Trump did (after saying how excited he was to see, but before his real bosses warned him).

The CIA has embedded themselves into media, art, etc.. Nowadays, they don't even hide it. Funny how one minute the Deputy FBI director can lie under oath (and then "edit") and work his way down to CNN, along with many others who worked in the FBI or CIA (Anderson Cooper, to name one).. This is how they get the first scoop, and many are as you say - horseshit.. They are a business, with a ton of power. When I have social/political conversations, lately I'll ask people for their source, and most don't remember. Sometimes I don't, and try to take better notes, but my house is nothing but paper, books, and musical instruments.

All it takes is more than one person to be a conspiracy. Aside from JFK, it's hard to just overthrow a country with one guy (Guatemala, Iran in the 50s), and who knows what we don't know. They always release this stuff too late, like the Gulf of Tonkin lie, which was FOIA'd in 2002 I think, almost 40 years after our entry to the undeclared and undisclosed war that EVERYONE is against suddenly - which is my area of curiosity - the truth, and the disparity brought on by time, circumstances, political climate, etc...

I'd recommend people to check out that movie, and hey, it's free!

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> I record almost everything from TCM, and might even have an automatic recording for Burt Lancaster.

Lancaster was always worth watching. If you're enough of a fan to possibly have automatic recording set, I don't have to ask if you're seen Seven Days In May.

There's an unintentionally funny scene in Executive Action where Lancaster's hair seems to take on a life of its own.

The movie is quite dishonest at times. For example, at the very end they show photos of eighteen people (with fictitious names) who had died since the assassination. The "mystery deaths" I'm sure you've heard about. The caption then said,

An actuary, engaged by the London Sunday Times concluded that on November 22, 1963, the odds against these witnesses being dead by February, 1967 were one hundred thousand trillion to one.


Strictly speaking, that statement is correct. The actuary did say that the odds of those 18 specific people all being dead were astronomically remote. However, when he saw the article he recognized that the reporter had asked him the wrong question. He contacted the paper immediately and told them that the correct question which they should have asked was, what are the odds that any 18 Warren Commission witnesses would have died -- and the odds for that would be quite mundane. The LST immediately pulled the article. It appeared only in that day's first printed edition but not in later ones, including the edition printed and distributed in the US.

I recall hearing that at one time, conspiracy author Robert Groden was making five figures per speaking appearance. Milk that cow!

> Do you remember "The Pike Report"?

No, I had to look it up to see what it was. The House's counterpart to the Senate's Church Committee, investigating illegal activities by the FBI, CIA, and NSA. If Wikipedia can be trusted (always doubtful IMO), the draft of the final report was leaked and should be out there somewhere.

> I'd recommend people to check out that movie, and hey, it's free!

Agreed, it's a very entertaining and interesting movie. You do have to "pay" by watching ads, but I used Firefox's plugin, Video Download Helper to capture the video and got an ad-free copy.

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Video Download Helper is great!

"Seven Days In May" was very good. I remember when it was discussed in interviews after 1963, and people connecting the dots.

If I see "Executive Action", I'll probably check it out again.

Burt Lancaster won't make my Top 10, but I think out of all the stars, he picked the best movies:
-The Swimmer
-Birdman of Alcatraz
-Elmer Gantry
-The Professionals
-Come Back, Little Sheba

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> Burt Lancaster won't make my Top 10

Nor my top ten list either, but I can think of a lot of performers I'd rank below him.

> -Birdman of Alcatraz
> -Elmer Gantry

Two other good movies I had not even thought of. My big complaint about Birdman of Alcatraz is that it portrayed the title character, Robert Stroud, far more sympathetically than he deserved; but that's Hollywood.

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The character limit on here is pathetic... There's a lot of more things to add.

Even the US government came to the conclusion there was more than one gunman.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html

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BillHicksFan, regarding Moviechat's character limit, it is not necessary to start a second post once you've reached that limit.
Simply click the "add reply" button and then click the "edit" button once your reply appears.
Then you can complete what you originally intended to post.
Granted, it still takes multiple steps to do so, but at least everything is together on one post.

EDIT: And remember, the edit button is "down and to the left."
(Sorry, I couldn't resist making fun of JFK)

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Ha, good one.

And thanks. All I did was click on "Edit", pasted the secondary post and suddenly there was room.

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> EDIT: And remember, the edit button is "down and to the left." (Sorry, I couldn't resist making fun of JFK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

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I want to know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

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michael franzese says 'he's wet'

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I would bet my life he was burnt ASAP

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How Hitler really died. It's only believed that he committed suicide.

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i think the russians dug up his carcass outside the compound soon after he was put in the hole and burned.

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Did he really die? They supposedly found his teeth but he had a lot of false teeth. The Soviets destroyed his body and originally claimed that he escaped. Discovering what happened to Hitler would be one of the mysteries that I want solved.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/adolf-hitler-alive-world-war-16772567

https://www.history.com/news/hitler-death-cause-teeth-analysis

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Even if he didn't die in 1945, he would have been 132 now. My neighbour is pretty old. Now I'm starting to be suspicious.

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I'm pretty curious about the Tamam Shud case.

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The Tylenol poisonings in the 80's. Poison was put in a few random pills in a few random bottles, and killed various people - - including some people mourning after a funeral.

This led to "child proof" and even tighter bottle cap restraints.

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I saw a documentary that australian tv did on the case, they think that the major clue is the woman, whos phone number was found with his belongings. she denied knowing him, but she fainted when she saw his picture, and years later her daughter said that she did infact know him.

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That's a good one. Fortean Times ran a feature on it a few months ago.

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Flight 19. I want to know exactly where each and every plane is. (I don't give any credence to the UFO or 'paranormal' theories, they obviously went down somewhere. I just want to know exactly where.)

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There are a lot of missing aircraft I would like to see found so we could learn the fate of the occupants:
• Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan
• Glenn Miller
• the recent Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

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Let's not forget D.B. Cooper.

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> Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan

This group has done a lot of work researching that disappearance. I'm certainly no expert, but their conclusions strike me as plausible: https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/AEdescr.html

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Amen.

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They thought they found them in 1991 but it turned out to be a different group of planes.

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I remember that. I mean c'mon, another group of five Avengers? So close...

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How words were originally formed. The prehistory version of: how did things get their names? Think of things that existed at the time--water, sun, grass, [animals that existed at the time], moon, wind, rock, cold, hot...

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As far as I can tell, most of the words just became what they became by chance.
There are plenty of onomatopoetic words though.

https://examples.yourdictionary.com/5-examples-of-onomatopoeia.html

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I've always wondered this. Aramaic is the oldest language I think, and from that came Hebrew and Arabic, but how did the words become "Italianized" etc etc.. Cognates, etc.. It's probably a long organic process with authority figures, leaders of villages, and others with influence having more sway, more ears. I would guess commerce/trade, even accidents... If the king came from another country and pronounced it a certain way, people just conform and copy.

I guess it's the same with modern slang. There's a lot of words or expressions coming every day that I don't know. Of course, it's much easier with information being transmitted and shared so fast, which is probably why language has changed so fast in the last decades (but not for the better).. I remember a time bad meant bad. In the 80s, people said "bad" as if it were a good thing, and now I hear it being "sick".. I won't budge.

Hell, I have a paperback dictionary right next to me when I don't know a word, especially because I read older material.

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"Aramaic is the oldest language..." in terms of living languages, certainly one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts

But of course language precedes writing. Even today there are many unwritten languages. Some years ago I purchased this (when it was deeply discounted) https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/story-of-human-language (I no longer have the DVDs)

I started listening with great anticipation to finally finding out why things have the names that they do (originally, not because they derived from an earlier language) and one of the first things out of his mouth was "we don't know."

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I think I found it online (video).

About 5-10 years ago, a helicopter went over the Amazon, and these people were throwing spears. Who knows how the origins of their language, but like the oldest bones found in Sudan or Ethiopia, it's all we "know" until we find some information to disprove that, but it's fun to speculate. I tend to think a lot of history is distorted, and not necessarily for bad reasons - everyone makes mistakes, and then pass bad information. Happens all the time.

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jon benet - parents or not.

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Agree. It would be good to know what really happened.

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I still think the parents covered it up to protect the brother. Don’t think he intentionally murdered his sister, but I can see a scenario where some freak accident happened or horseplay got out of hand. Then panic set in and the parents made a series of bad decisions like hiding the body and writing the ransom note. The house was big, the parents undersupervised the kids, too much attention and glory given to Jon Benet not enough to Burke. He may have acted out on that dysfunctional dynamic.

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I think you are correct.

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Her brother, according to a documentary I saw.

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