More divisive woke garbage.
This isn't going to stop anytime soon is it?
shareI just saw the trailer. It looks awful!
share
MovieChat Forums > Promising Young Woman (2020) Discussion > More divisive woke garbage.
>This isn't going to end any time soon is it?
No, goy
Eh, it's just a bad movie to me.
I have no problem looking at the problem of date rape and how people react to it, but this movie was just so one-dimensional. Virtually all the men are just evil douchebags and some of the women are too, but the only legitimately good people in the movie are women and it almost justifies the absolutely batshit insane lengths the main character goes through to get some form of "revenge" for something that didn't even happen to her.
I watched where Eagles Dare the other day , Apart from our small band of heroes , all the other men were evil nazi douchebags!
and they were white!
...always making the white man the bad guy .
I'm all butthurt
No one is good in this movie. Except Laverne Cox.
Everyone is flawed. Her parents are supportive physically but not emotionally. Cassie is flawed as hell. Ryan respects her boundaries and genuinely loves her, but he was also involved in her best friends assault, as a witness at least. Adam Brody is the one who tells his friends to stop being gross but then he takes advantage of her being so drunk and assaults her. Connie Britton is and was dismissive about claims made by Nina, brushing it under the rug like colleges do be doing. Cassie is disgusting for involving the Deans daughter, in any way.
None of the men were shown as evil, this stuff literally happens all the time, to girls who don’t have Cassies advantage and autonomy. And men and women alike brush it under the rug and make excuses. The title is literally a subversion on a phrase used to describe a man who took advantage of a woman at their college just like in the movie.
This movie isn’t about date r*pe either, it’s about r*pe culture. None of the men drugged Cassie, none of them were implicit in her being ‘drunk’. They just took advantage of the fact that she (seemingly) was. Date r*pe implies intent, which instantly demonises the r*pist.
Coming across someone who is out of it and deciding on the spot that you’re gonna use this to your advantage is just as insidious as meditated assault, but it’s brushed off by media, government and law enforcement and the general population. This movie is commenting on r*pe culture, it’s not demonising anyone.
Also, the things she was avenging happened to her. Nina being assaulted, becoming depressed, ending her life, that all happened to her. Literally and figuratively.
There’s a reason this movie resonates with women, because we have all experienced varying levels of the kind of things which happened in this movie.
"None of the men were shown as evil?"
Really?
They mostly all seemed pretty evil to me.
Adam Brody, Sam Richardson, McLovin, all the guys she went to school with, are all either rapists, or seem to be completely fine with it.
Even the "nice" guy turned out to be evil.
I guess her poor doddering father, who's just impotent is the only main guy who isn't either a rapist or a rape apologist.
And of course, anyone who argues that people have to take personal responsibility or that there are 2 sides to every story is automatically evil.
The subtext being that we all have to believe any woman who makes an allegation regardless of the evidence (or lack thereof) or we are too, evil.
It justifies the main character kidnapping the daughter of one of the authority figures and then implying that her daughter is going to be raped as an adequate punishment for just not believing the main character's friend just because she made an allegation in college like 12 years ago.
It's just so unrealistic & petty for again something that happened to a friend of hers, not her herself.
None of them were evil.
Firstly, evil isn’t a thing, that implies that the person can’t help what they do and r*ping someone is absolutely a choice.
And yes, we should believe all victims. Why wouldn’t you?
The fact that you say "victim" instead of "accuser" is the problem.
It completely takes burden of proof or a thing called "innocent until proven guilty" into account.
We don't just believe anyone making an accusation in any other crime but this one? Really?
There’s a reason this movie resonates with women, because we have all experienced varying levels of the kind of things which happened in this movie.
Oh my gosh... every woman has been raped or threatened with rape?
We really do live in a society, eh?
The ridiculousness to which the Left have brainwashed people to believe that women have no autonomy, and that college is essentially just a rape factory for horny frat boys is preposterous to degrees with which I neither posses the time nor decorum to explain, expound upon, and refute with impunity.
Nevertheless, a lot of Leftists and Liberal Progressives have coaxed women with constant cultivation that they should be "liberal" with their sex lives throughout high school and college, all while taking zero responsibility for their actions (viz., Mattress Girl or the Duke Lacrosse incident).
There have been more than enough cases where it turns out the media took a story and ran with it that was based entirely on falsehoods to perpetuate the mythical Left-wing conundrum that is "rape culture", a thing that is both systematically prevalent affecting every woman yet impossible to prove with any sort of sustainable evidence that can be procured and tested under rigorous scrutiny (like a DNA sample for instance).
I'm sure your response will be to name an exception, like Brock Turner or whatnot, and then there's the typical and rudimentary response that warrants of all the false accusations made by women using said "rape culture" to garner sympathy and victimhood points.
At that point, I can only imagine the discussion ends with concession by silence. share
I haven’t seen this yet but it did occur to me that most of the rape revenge films I’ve seen in the past have white males as the rapist.
Ms 45 (1981)
Deliverance (1972)
I Spit on Your Grave (1978)
Thriller: A Cruel Picture (1973)
Savage Streets (1984)
Irréversible (2002)
I don’t think I ever questioned the race of the rapist in any of these films. I’m just curious what makes this movie so different.
crazy, butthurt, woman hating, incel, racist, whiteboys
Furious that now blacks are allowed on the screen , the villaians arnt all black , or something .. its hard to keep up.
At least with Irréversible, the people getting revenge were white males so it doesn't make white males look bad.
shareBecause those movies all show r*pe explicitly, less so in deliverance because they couldn’t sexualise Male victims oBvIouSly.
Like 1/3 of ISOYG is a r*pe scene and everyone knows about that 10 minute scene in Irréversible.
This movie isn’t about r*pe, it’s about r*pe culture. I guess white men can separate themselves from evil backwoods r*pists but they have a harder time justifying separating themselves from r*pe culture and their general part in it.
it will...... because no-one is paying to see bullshit anymore
shareThe one who is being divisive is you.
I don't have much use for Woke culture, but it's here and maybe it's time for it.
If it feels forced and it's a crap movie, then it's a crap movie.
But I won't impugn people for trying to correct the sins of the past.
So you are the one being divisive, because you don't like the progress this country is working toward.
And while we're at it -- Get Off My Lawn.
Wokeness isn't progress, its inside-out racism. It's retribution on the child, for the sins of the grandfather.
It's the opposite of unity.
Wokeness is capitalism. You're just too stupid to realize it.
share"Wokeness is capitalism"
hardly... since all woke films bomb
no sane person will pay money to see them.
And those who claim they love them, don't even venture outside their door.
they only feel safe on their safespaces on twitter and other bullshit platforms.
He's absolutely right. The big capital are the ones behind wokeness.
Media companies and newspapers are not supposed to give benefits. Most newspapers and big media companies are owned by investors funds and their main goal is to control public opinion. Take Disney, for example. It's owned by a multitude of investor groups. The one with the biggest share is Vanguard Group. Vanguard Group manages $6.2 trillion. Disney, as big as it looks, it's just small change for them. Amazon owns the Washington Post, and as big as it seems, again, it's just small change for Amazon.
Those companies don't give a shit about losing some small change in newspapers and media companies if that allows them to control the narrative, because that's what brings the big bucks. You know how much money they've saved only by opening the gates to massive immigration of cheap labor force from shit world countries?
Wall Street is heavily promoting modern left. And they know very well why they're doing it.
This is an example of how the alt-wrong wants to obfuscate their own bad behavior.
"You know how much money they've saved only by opening the gates to massive immigration of cheap labor force from shit world countries?"
That's Big Business using immigrants to save $$ while fomenting how awful it is for immigrants to want to have the chance to live here.
This is either the Land Of Opportunity, or the land the white folks settled and it's too big and too rich to let a bunch of "furiners" spoil the party.
Let's keep letting the Rich Get Richer on the Backs of the Poor. It's the American Way !
Throw the idea that we are all a Nation of Equals out the window.
This ^^ is an example of how important is to control the narrative and why losing money to control the public opinion pays off.
US was never a free admission land. Entrance was limited and controlled, and half of the time it was even closed.
Modern narrative has convinced many people that US and Europe should be some "land of opportunity" where everyone can go. Which (1) it wasn't that (2) it's suicidal.
If US is wealthier than other countries and you give free admission you will get a non-stop stream of people from shithole countries coming until US becomes a shithole country itself and they stop coming. Add to that "feminism" which causes locals to have less kids, and in a couple of generations the country will be ruled by non-western people. Good luck with that, it works so well in Africa and South-America! 😏
Good luck with that, it works so well in Africa and South-America! 😏
You make some excellent points, but if you look at who actually controls the largest pools of wealth opportunities from those countries, it usually isn't the locals. For instance, I'll give you a hint: follow the rabbit hole of who actually controls majority of Africa's diamond trade... you might be surprised (or probably not).
And another thing, follow the rabbit hole of how all those "poor" African rebels in places like the Congo or Kenya get their arms from places like Sudan... especially the kind of arms they get. I'm sure we're just supposed to believe Ungo and Bongo were smart enough to engineer and manufacture German-made and Israeli-designed military grade weaponry using stick and stones in between raiding villages and somehow being organized enough to out-fight local military units.
Anyway, the Chinese have moved in on both those places (Africa and South America) and magically a lot of those rebel units are now subsiding and the violence is dying down where the Chinese have taken control of the cobalt and salt mines to create lithium for the next wave of electric vehicles. I'm sure it's all just one big coincidence. >_>
No surprise either that Beijing Biden is pushing heavily to reduce fossil fuels and kill off the petrol industry while China is set to make big bucks on all those EVs over the next half decade.
Anyway, the U.S., is doomed and there's no way to turn back the clock because too many indoctrinated and brainwashed louses believe the Leftist agitprop that it's "ray-siss" to maintain border control, limit entry, aggressively police bad neighborhoods, and call a spade a spade. share
You make some excellent points, but if you look at who actually controls the largest pools of wealth opportunities from those countries, it usually isn't the locals.
Sure, but locals are the ones to blame. Since there's no cohesive society or a common project, shithole countries are easily controlled by external forces. That's why China is patiently waiting for US to become another standard Latin American shithole. Once that happens, they won't even need to fight a war. They'll just need to buy some locals to control the country, the same they're doing right now in Africa.
I'm sure we're just supposed to believe Ungo and Bongo were smart enough to engineer and manufacture German-made and Israeli-designed military grade weaponry using stick and stones in between raiding villages and somehow being organized enough to out-fight local military units.
Sure. They're buying weapons and military counseling. But again, blame the locals.
When you check wars between white people, there's barely any reference to who supplied the weapons, much less to pin the responsibility on them. However, weapon suppliers suddenly becomes the one to blame when we're talking about Africa. That's just the usual tailor-made double standard to blame whites.
Anyway, the Chinese have moved in on both those places (Africa and South America) and magically a lot of those rebel units are now subsiding and the violence is dying down where the Chinese have taken control of the cobalt and salt mines to create lithium for the next wave of electric vehicles.
Agreed.
Anyway, the U.S., is doomed
And agreed too (sadly). share
When you check wars between white people, there's barely any reference to who supplied the weapons, much less to pin the responsibility on them. However, weapon suppliers suddenly becomes the one to blame when we're talking about Africa. That's just the usual tailor-made double standard to blame whites.
In this case it's the Chinese.
The larger point is that magically these insurrections and proxy wars just cease once the controlling party (or puppet masters) get what they want from the place and stop funding said insurrectionists.
Notice how Kenya is now being rebuilt as a tourist attraction, and the city has undergone a massive infrastructure overhaul. How often do you hear about rebel attacks and suicide bombers with the Chinese now firmly in control?
The other issue is that locals either have the choice of succumbing to the violence or partaking in it. We're seeing that happen right now, as George Soros funds BLM and Antifa to destroy Democrat-ran cities. Now people could fight back, but then the media will just label them "domestic terrorists" like the peaceful protestors at the Capitol. Alternatively, they can allow themselves to succumb to the violence and let the string-pullers turn their cities into third-world poop-holes, which is exactly what's happening.
For locals being manipulated by the small Knees and tiny Hats, there isn't much recourse that doesn't involve all-out Civil War. share
Woke films make the most money. Disney Star Wars made more money than the prequels. Black Panther made double what Doctor Strange made, and Captain Marvel made more than Thor Ragnarok.
Wonder Woman 1 was just as woke as Wonder Woman 1984. WW84 bombed because it sucked, just like Suicide Squad, just like Birds of Prey, just like Justice League.
star wars and black panther were not woke.
how was black panther woke???
Are you really going to pretend the Last Jedi wasn't criticized as being woke?
Go woke go broke doesn't fit in with reality. It's just diatribe full of cherry picking.
Last Jedi made money on hype but also had the biggest drop-offs in subsequent weeks compared to other Star Wars films.
All other films that followed also under-performed, including Rise of Skywalker.
Did you not forget about the Solo flick and how other projects were either cancelled or put on the back burner due to the backlash to The Last Jedi?
And Captain Marvel was conveniently put out just after Infinity War and before Endgame so of course a bunch of people went to see it to see how it tied in between the two films.
Get woke, Go Broke fits well with reality. You just cherry-picked some examples and extricated all of the context surrounding why they did well at the box office.
I'm pretty sure Captain Marvel 2 will not hit $1 billion at the box office.
"Last Jedi made money on hype but also had the biggest drop-offs in subsequent weeks compared to other Star Wars films."
Because Force Awakens reached a massive $2 billion. Look at the percentage drop from Force Awakens to Last Jedi and compare it with Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones. They are practically identical.
"All other films that followed also under-performed, including Rise of Skywalker."
Yes, because it was a mess.
It's time we go back to criticizing these movies for what they really are instead of trying to force some other narrative into it.
"And Captain Marvel was conveniently put out just after Infinity War and before Endgame"
So was Ant Man and the Wasp.
I'm right, you just don't want to admit it. The narrative is too strong with this one.
Look at the percentage drop from Force Awakens to Last Jedi and compare it with Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones. They are practically identical.
Are you conveniently forgetting the backlash that Phantom Menace received leading into the release of the Attack of the Clones?
Last Jedi was built around the hype that it would correct the wrongs of The Force Awakens, answer questions, and build out the lore. The Force Awakens was still a mess but people figured it was a salvageable mess. As time and evidence has proven... it wasn't salvageable.
So was Ant Man and the Wasp.
I'm right, you just don't want to admit it. The narrative is too strong with this one.
Come on. Don't be disingenuous here. The hype around Ant Man and the Wasp was NOTHING like Captain Marvel and we both know that.
Infinity War literally ended with Nick Fury sending out a message to Captain Marvel, and everyone was curious how she would tie in with Endgame because the setup from Infinity War implied that she would somehow be able to correct Thanos' snap (even though she couldn't).
share
The civil rights act was just “woke liberal” nonsense at the time. It’s not retribution on the child, for the sins of the grandfather. It’s the children of both grandfathers coming together to make sure the sins aren’t repeated.
shareIt's not on the child, because it still happens, bro.
shareIt isn’t woke to question r*pe culture.
share