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Are there seriously box office truthers for this now?


How idiotic can these people get. Cherry-picking a few empty theatres to say what exactly? That Disney has committed massive box office fraud and none of the other studios have said a peep about it?

The reality denial of right-wingers is terrifying.

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I wouldn't lump these people with the right wing. They're uninformed morons without the sense to adopt any political stance.

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Yeah Trump supporter is a better fit.

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Even that seems awfully inaccurate. I get that it's fashionable to hate the president, and to blame the ills of society on him, and that seems to be even more the case with Trump in office, but I have to be honest-- 99.9% of those who support Trump likely have zero issue with Captain Marvel or Brie Larson. They're regular folks who can discern fact from fiction. Even if 100% of the dumbasses who can't accept the truth to the point that they're now convinced that Disney has somehow hacked or corrupted the system also support Trump, it's pretty disingenuous to label them as such as if that's their defining feature.

Let's just call it like it is-- there is a tiny, tiny number of people who are extremely vocal who can't stand to see women or people of color in starring roles or positions of authority, and they rant about it here rather than engage in a bit of delightful chit chat about movies.

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I just know how the misogynists and conspiratorial minded group together. It has nothing to do with politics as Trump is essentially an empty suit which is why conservatism doesn't apply here. Also I'm not talking about people who give Trump a pass. I'm talking about the type of people that show up to his rallies. The kind of people that will nod their heads whenever someone brings up Pizzagate or claim Obama's birth certificate is fake. Every single one of them follows Trump because Trump knew how to get them on his side. Steve Bannon and Roger Stone gave him the recipe back in 2011.

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Why didn't they give that secret recipie to Jeb Bush? He doesn't speak Russian?

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Come on. Quit pretending to be this stupid. Jeb Bush wasn't in with the Roger Stone crowd. Jeb Bush wasn't willing to go down the rabbit hole of fake birth certificates either. Jeb Bush's way in was through the establishment and family legacy just like Hillary Clinton.

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Why do i get the feeling this FilmBuff guy is the Cinema Snob?

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I don't quite get what you're saying, but it's clear you're saying something unkind. What have I said that you're taking issue with?

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The Cinema Snob is a popular Youtube Movie Reviewer but i'm sure you already know that because you are the Cinema Snob

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Why yes, I am a popular YouTube Movie Reviewer. However did you know?

*Googles Cinema Snob*

It says it's a show? I thought I was a guy making bank giving my opinions about film. I wish. But I'm also pleased to be an actor in a popular show.

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You did a great Bingo review i loved that movie as a kid

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Never heard of it. But apparently the other guy did, so I'm glad you enjoyed my review. I felt the calling of I-19 was particularly symbolic of the plight of the common man.

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My favorite part is when they are driving away from the BBQ joint that kidnaps and kills dogs to feed them as BBQ to Freeway Travelers and the dad says "Nothing a little mustard can't fix" it's a great family picture

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I thought it was based on the game, like Battleship or Tag. Sounds like a much darker take on the classic old folks' home mainstay.

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Yeah Trump supporter is a better fit.


You are obviously suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why don't you expose yourself to some actual facts for a change, rather than your usual MAGAphobic "sources"? Where do you get your "news" -- The View, CNN and Ellen DeGeneres? (lol)

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Found one.

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Typical hollow answer from a MAGAphobe who gladly laps up whatever comes down the pike of the lamestream media.

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Yeah everybody who disliked the Last Jedi was a Maga Hate Toothless Trump voting Redneck. And it differently wasn't' because it was a poorly executed movies with a terrible plot.

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Maybe people are mystified that anyone would want to watch a lifeless husk of wood try to act. Kinda like why would any buy somebody boxed shit. And please don't make this political.

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You misogynistic, racist, Alt-Right T-rumper, how dare you. HOW DARE YOU SIR! MAM! PERSON OF THE INTERNET THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUT WILL LABEL YOU AS I SEE FIT ANYWAY BECAUSE I'M PATHOLOGICALLY ENTITLED!

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Actually, they don't need to commit box office fraud.

They just need to give some weekend totals without much detail. Worldwide, they still haven't included box offices in many countries, no matter they are already available

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=marvel2018a.htm

Tax Office will be only interested in their totals. As long as that's right, there won't be any problem. You increase your numbers the opening weekend and decrease that amount from later weeks. That's just for the press. When it comes to taxes, total fits, no problemo.

Why to do such a thing? To generate to feeling that the movie is a success and counter backlash, trying to increase the total income.

Has that happened? No idea. Is it possible? Yeah, it could be.

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Wrong on everything.

Box Office Mojo haven't updated all territories.

Disney are not in charge of box office numbers, Rentrak are. An independent company.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/howardhomonoff/2015/10/05/nielsen-comscore-and-rentrak-keeping-score-in-media-measurement/

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Wrong.

The domestic and ww total box office Captain Marvel data was provided by Disney.

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/237500830-Weekend-Estimates-Captain-Marvel-Starts-Higher-Further-Faster

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Estimates are provided by studios. Final numbers are provided by Rentrak.

In this case, Disney estimated 400k BELOW what it ACTUALLY grossed.

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/237530830-Weekend-Wrap-Up-Captain-Marvel-Cracks-150-million-During-Debut

Womp womp.

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Read the article I linked. It says it clearly: "Captain Marvel is opening with $153.0 million over the weekend, according to Disney".

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Yes, so what? Studios have always provided estimates on Sunday, which were then verified by Rentrak on Monday. Grosses either went up or down by 1-3%.

Those nefarious, Disney folks -- they hatched a dastardly plan to UNDERESTIMATE their actual gross. Mu ha ha ha!

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Here you have the box office data for one day in the last weekend. We're not talking about estimates here, but about final data for that day. The page itself names the source at the bottom of the spreadsheet:

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2019/03/10

And it clearly says:
Our box office charts are compiled from data provided to us BY DISTRIBUTORS

Does Rantrek make some kind of final statistic regarding the total of a movie? Surely, but the day box office is provided BY DISTRIBUTORS.

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Jesus Christ. Distributors receive ACTUAL box office data from Rentrak. They receive Thursday night ACTUAL numbers from Rentrak, and then Studios/Distributors make PROJECTIONS, or estimates, for the rest of the weekend. As ACTUAL friday numbers come in, then they can make better predictions, as actual Saturday numbers come in, even better predictions.

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How Disney gets the data is up to them. Rentrak could be one source, or one of many sources, it doesn't need to be the only source. It doesn't need even to be the source when it comes to daily box office data. I don't know the exact protocol in Disney, and you obviously don't know it neither since you thought Disney didn't provide the data.

Actually, Disney provided the box office data, which is what I said in first place. How they gather or manage or process before releasing it, that's up to them.

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YOU ARE WRONG. The actual numbers, regardless of who releases them, are tabulated by AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY.

Get that through your skull. Disney can't just release whatever numbers they like because every other single studio gets that exact same data and will cry foul. Read below. God, you're thick.

http://www.filmjournal.com/features/data-rich-comscores-movie-group-measures-box-office-world (Rentrak go by Comscore now)


On their sources of data:

We’ve been in the business of collecting box-office information at the theatre level for over 15 years. We link to the point-of-sale systems at various theatres; in the U.S. and Canada, we connect to over 6,000 theatres. That represents over 95 percent of the North American box office. We have more than 25,000 theatres around the world in 65 countries, so we’ve become the dominant source for global box-office information; studios can see how well their films are performing around the world—not just in some parts of the United States.

We collect this information on a real-time basis and we can push it, or our partner clients can pull it for themselves; they can see what we see, when we see it. When a movie opens on a Friday afternoon, the people at the studios are sitting there with their hands on the “refresh” key. We see what’s being used—and we use those learnings to continually improve the capabilities of our system.

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Exhibitors (The Movie theaters) will also have to report that as revenue.

If Disney JUST reported any numbers that they wanted to inflate the box office, what would happen to the theater chains having to report their income and being taxed on that income?

Don't think the Exhibitors would go for that.

As a matter of fact Exhibtors in China have gone through this problem on numerous occasions at the behest of their Government.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2016/10/02/a-disaster-movie-china-box-office-bombs/#853120c41f17

Within the USA there is much more regulations and the SEC would want to know about this box office ticket inflation because it would be an easy way to laundry money. Especially if they are publicly traded companies. I don't think Disney would want to casually do such a thing as there is absolutely nothing to gain by inflating ticket sales. It would be a double loss money out of your pocket and then to be taxed on that imaginary ticket sale. Plus the criminal liability that is too easily proven by the Exhibitor.

Nahhhhhhhhhh, time to end this conspiracy.

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As long as the final fits, there would be no problem.

That means that they'd need to subtract that amount later on, so the final box office is not inflated. That case, we could notice a hard drop, bigger than usual, in the second or third weekend.

Why do that?, well, under normal circumstances, there would be no reason. However, this case, it would send the message that there's no backlash, to prevent any backlash to feedback itself. It would be quite clever, actually.

Of course, that's just speculation, but, is it possible? Yeap, it is. Would it benefit Disney? Yeap, it would. Could have happened? Who knows.

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So basically you're suggesting that CM is frontloaded by Disney purposefully with the intent of goosing those who haven't seen CM into wanting to see the movie because of FOMO? Fear Of Missing Out. As well as to create a narrative of (unearned) financial and audience superlatives and accomplishments?

As long as the final numbers are accurate then the financial reporting deception is okay?

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This movie soooo bombed in Slovenia. That's just further proof the Review-Bomb internet troll conspiracy is for real folks.

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Actually, they don't need to commit box office fraud.

They just need to give some weekend totals without much detail. Worldwide, they still haven't included box offices in many countries, no matter they are already available

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=marvel2018a.htm

Tax Office will be only interested in their totals. As long as that's right, there won't be any problem. You increase your numbers the opening weekend and decrease that amount from later weeks. That's just for the press. When it comes to taxes, total fits, no problemo.

Why to do such a thing? To generate to feeling that the movie is a success and counter backlash, trying to increase the total income.

Has that happened? No idea. Is it possible? Yeah, it could be.

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the big problem with this desperate excuse is

every single other major Studio is reporting the exact same numbers

WB,Sony,Paramount ....all major studios are reporting the exact same data and box office.

Why would other Major studios take part in Disney Attempt to "generate to feeling that the movie is a success and counter backlash, trying to increase the total income"

lol think before posting this stuff.

Thats why Box office sites almost always Quote "rival Studios" when giving Projections

If you look at deadlines,variety and Box office Analysts on Twitter, Almost always when they giving early projections on Friday...They Quote "Rival Studios tell me its heading toward a _____ Opening Weekend...While Disney tells me its heading toward a ____ opening Weekend"

I'm sorry what you are suggesting is in fact IMPOSSIBLE because you would Need Every Major Studio, All Theatrical chains, and All Box Office Analysts In on the Scam of Trying to "increase your numbers the opening weekend and decrease that amount from later weeks"

I've very rarely seen a statement more worthy of A "Facepalm" than your post above

it lacks all evidence that you Live in any sort of reality, The Logistics of your made up scenario are staggering to try and figure out just how many people and Companies would have to be on on this Conspiracy to even make it remotely possible...

the fact that you even said it, again suggests your either not living in reality or you simply have so much anger and jealousy toward Marvel Films doing well, you will vomit anything out of your mouth as an excuse with taking even 1 second to think about it to see if it actually makes sense or is even possible

at the end of the day...theres no getting past...The Pure number of people and Rival Studios that would also need to be involved in this

you clearly do not understand how box office works

This is maybe the best example I've ever seen of ...at this point the best thing you can do is simply just NOT SAY ANYTHING else...

you are so clueless on the topic you talking about it, anything else you say, any attempt you try to save face is ONLY going to dig your hole deeper

I'm not kidding, You should feel nothing but SHAME after failing this horrifically

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My GOD, you're boring.

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My GOD, you're boring.

^^^

and think all you have to do never to see "My boring posts" again is 2 clicks away....BLOCK ME

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Bomojo has never had complete international figures, I noticed that years ago. Disney does not distribute in all markets.

The film journal link confirms the numbers don't come from Disney. You are proof that BO truthers exist. Can't face that your boycott failed!

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Hey let's not limit this to right-wingers now. There's plenty of libs that hate women too. That's how Trump got elected ;).

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Correct. Trump supporter is a better term. Trump is an empty suit ideologically.

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The reality denial of right-wingers is terrifying.


One word: duh.

How idiotic? Well, anyone familiar with their madness should know there is no limit to their stupidity and lunacy. If you think they were spreading enough nonsense back when one of their biggest enemies was in office (the guy supposedly born in Kenya that was going to put everyone in concentration camps), well... that’s nothing compared to what they’re doing now given that a certain public figure has been emboldening them for a while —a monumental troll himself. Why even engage with these warped orange kool aid-drinking minds at all? We shouldn’t, that’s for sure. But their bs ad nauseam gets gets tiring to see.

And true, the overwhelming majority of these fear-mongering conspirators are righties. Fine, I’ll be PC about it and say faaar/alt right. To deny this, is to live in denial. I mean, what do you constantly see and hear from those with a clear agenda against this movie? SJWs! Libtards! Feminazis! SJWs! PC! Communists! Deep state! Last Jedi sucked! Equality lovers are anti-white! SJ-blah blah blah... And from who do you see ranting like this from all the time? Hint: it comes from those with a clear political stance and they ain’t the left. Go figure. After all, the bulk of these loony conspiracies and baseless lies originate and are spread around from countless right wing channels, e.g, Red State-something garbage. You know what I say to that? OF COOOURSE!

Also, fashionable to hate 45 and wrongly blame him for all/a lot of society’s issues? Living in the more innocent times that were 2015-2016, yes? Geez. If it’s the “cool thing” to call things for the way they actually are... not hypocritically spread fake news to smear your critics like 45 does... then good. Giving the self-proclaimed stable genius/nationalist the benefit of the doubt *might’ve* been mildly acceptable 2-3 years ago (despite the long history of shady crook dealings, bigotry, misogyny, etc), but that ship has LONG since sailed.

So, let’s not be so PC about this, folks! ;) There may be sensible right-leaning folks, but overall 45 IS the right. All the nonstop proven lies he spews out.. it’s this wonderful yet meaningless thing nowadays called fact-checking.... to discredit and demonize minorities, journalists (“the enemy of the people”), any public figure who dares criticize him even a tiny bit, his own people, etc. and very few on his side call him out on it. Nope — to justify or even deny a lot of his actions is a bigly issue. His followers, naturally, take after him. Now oh look... 45 and State TV Fox demonizing minorities yet again while gladly ignoring planned (an executed) terror attacks by white nationalists. But boy, we know how those caged families that walked hundreds of miles and risked their lives to flee from danger are the real threat!

At any rate, there are no paranoid and delusional “truthers” like the SJW-obsessed red pill-taking kind. Some of them have been known to take matters into their own hands after buying into completely made up lies propagated by their own. And there is nothing amusing about this — just LOOK at how they lose their minds over unconservative Hollywood productions/actors they feel threatened by! (Yet they obvs approve of the real dangerous propaganda coming from the Sinclair Broadcasting Group, Faux, a plethora of YouTube channels, and the administration of course - it is projection at its finest.) These are sick, sick primitive minds! Y’all take offense to that? Well, REAL facts (not alternative facts) don’t care about your feelings. ;}}

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The thing is for every right wingers saying the film is bad there is a left winger who would say the film is amazing no matter how it was.

I saw it twice and liked it both times but it is not "terrible" but is is also not "amazing" or "fantastic".

To me it was gender neutral film. Things that happened to her could easily have happened to a guy. In fact, it did. Steve Rodgers was known for getting up every time her got knocked down. The phrase "because you are a girl" is not in the script.

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well if you look at box office mojo

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=marvel2018a.htm

and look at the per screen average you will see an average of $35,999 for opening weekend domestically in 4,310 theaters.

The same information for Black Panther is $50,250 in 300 fewer theaters.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm

So the logical conclusion would be more people in fewer theaters must mean that the Captain Marvel screenings had fewer people in them.

I saw the film and liked so this is not coming from a "hater" but your argument has a flaw.

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What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is denying that Black Panther had a bigger opening. I'm talking about the people that are saying Captain Marvel's $153M opening is a fraud and that Disney have over-inflated the numbers, which is impossible to do without being immediately caught by every single rival studio.

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Cherry-picking a few empty theatres to say what exactly?


I read this and thought that by showing the per theater average it would show that there were most likely a lot of theaters that were empty or at least not full.

I agree with you that Disney did not over-inflate the numbers but the numbers prove that there were a lot of empty seats and that the excitement over the opening weekend being so great is actually disappointing.

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