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<blockquote>FWIW, the sentence "Dr. Manhattan only experiences life, emotion and humanity through others" ignores the fact that this is true for All Of Us.</blockquote>Curious statement there by you. I experience life through my own thoughts, feelings, sensations and emotions. None of my emotions nor my emotional state of being is dependent on others. They may be totally dependent on the combination of my personal thermodynamic miracle and whatever you define as a soul but they are not defined, created or generated by others.<blockquote><b>Empathy</b> refers to the ability to relate to another person’s pain vicariously, as if one has experienced that pain themselves: For instance, people who are highly egoistic and presumably lacking in empathy keep their own welfare paramount in making moral decisions like how or whether to help the poor.</b> <blockquote>[–] Goliard (297) 4 hours ago Not sure how/why you're deciding to differentiate between Jon/Dr Manhattan, but I'll restrict myself as best I can to the thrust of what (I think) you're saying.</blockquote>My responses and my take are only from the comic series and I guess they are considered the "Source" material?<blockquote>"“A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts. Why should I be concerned?”</blockquote><blockquote>“Janey accuses me of chasing jailbait. She bursts into angry tears, asking if it's because she's getting older. It's true. She's aging more noticeably every day—while I am standing still. I prefer the stillness here. I am tired of Earth. These people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.”</blockquote><blockquote>“I am a being of inaction. On a collision course with a man of action. To this universe of hope… I have become the villain.”</blockquote>Jon Osterman was, for all intent and purposes reborn but he is by no stretch of the imagination or science, human. He says so himself which is why he is detached from humanity. I never said that Jon is detached from emotions I expressly stated that it is Doctor Manhattan who is detached from emotions that he can no longer relate to as they are now meaningless to him due to his ability (or curse) of seeing time, as well as through time, as a single continuum. Living beings and dead beings are all the same to him and because Doctor Manhattan exists as a singularity or even a quantum singularity, for which there is no metaphysical companion or construct, he is left detached from a higher form of man-made-defined Godhood or completeness. Which is why he seeks answers and seeks to create a new form of flawed humanity. It is a verbal debate with Dr. Manhattan and Laurie that brings him back to Earth to "Save" humanity from something that he has already seen and not an emotional attachment. I'll leave Dr. Manhattan's internal struggle with "Free Will" to himself. Does he act because he chooses to act or is it because he saw it happen in the future/past/now and can do nothing about it?<blockquote>Your essential error is in insisting that Jon is divorced from emotion/caring. I've already cited examples that show that's Absolutely Not True (there are more), but it's worth pointing out that they occur as part of his "evolution," towards the end of the book.</blockquote>Jon Osterman became Dr. Manhattan but Dr. Manhattan is NOT Jon Osterman.<blockquote>Dr. Manhattan: On Mars, you taught me the value of life. If we hope to preserve it here, we must remain silent. </blockquote>Why would Jon Osterman need to be taught the value of life?<blockquote>Rorschach: Outside, in the snow, Rorschach comes across a copy of Dr. Manhattan standing in the snow] Out of my way. People have to be told. Dr. Manhattan: You know I can't let you do that. Rorschach: Suddenly you discover humanity. Convenient. [Takes off his mask] Rorschach: If you'd cared from the start, none of this would've happened. Dr. Manhattan: I can change almost anything... but I can't change human nature.</blockquote> Limited power or limited imagination? <blockquote>Dr. Manhattan: In my opinion, the existence of life is a highly overrated phenomenon. Laurie Juspeczyk: Everyone will die! Dr. Manhattan: And the universe will not even notice.</blockquote>As Alan Moore himself stated, "It's a comic book". In a weird bit of truth being stranger than fan fiction, here is part of the bio of the actress that plays Lady Trieu (Hong Trau, born 1979):<blockquote>Chau was born to Vietnamese parents who lived in a refugee camp in Thailand after fleeing Vietnam in the late 1970s. A Vietnamese Catholic church in New Orleans, Louisiana arranged for a family to sponsor Chau and her family. After growing up in New Orleans, Chau majored in film studies at Boston University and pursued an acting career. <b>Chau's parents were among the Vietnamese boat people who fled Vietnam in 1979</b>. Chau's mother was six months pregnant with her: Chau was born in a refugee camp in Thailand later in the year. A Vietnamese Catholic church in New Orleans, Louisiana organized for a local Vietnamese family to sponsor her family. Chau grew up speaking Vietnamese as her first language, and later learned English in school. She was one of three children, and her parents worked in menial labor to ensure that the children could attend college. She said that her family needed public assistance, that she went to public school, and needed lunch assistance. For college tuition, she depended on Pell Grants. Chau said her parents, who speak in heavy Vietnamese accents, were shunned as Asian migrants.</blockquote>Lady Trieu is the Vietnamese version of Joan of Arc and of course Lady Trieu has surrounded herself with everything that is Vietnam and what may represent her Vietnamese culture and experiences. She may see Veidt as her savior (but not her hero), Dr. Manhattan as her villain (but not the ultimate evil) and America as her prison (but not her salvation). History may very well be written by the winners but the Vietnamese didn't WIN that war in Watchmen. Interesting "twist" on what Moore was trying to say in the comic graphic novel and how Dr. Manhattan was presented in the same series. I make the distinction between Dr. Manhattan's and Jon Osterman's reflections and actions demonstrating their individual grasp of humanity and immersion into and with humanity. Dr. Manhattan's growing awareness and burgeoning superintelligence created an unfortunate detachment from:<blockquote>Each of us being a thermodynamic miracle</blockquote> due to the fact that he himself is a singularity divorced from that very thermodynamic miracle which he is NOT a byproduct of. Jon is but Dr. Manhattan isn't.<blockquote>His discussion of how rare and incredible each life is (each of us is a thermodynamic miracle), is one of my favorite parts of the whole story. It also perfectly encapsulates how he feels about humanity.</blockquote>Jon/Manhattan's speech represents him/them at a point in time when Jon maintained an emotional connection with Laurie. Moore thoughtfully represents Dr. Manhattan as a non-savior for Humanity and Dr. Manhattan is willing to divorce himself from the current metaphysical state of humanity in search of creating a new form of humanity. Dr. Manhattan is not an evolution of Jon, mankind or humanity. As Dr. Manhattan continued to search for answers he sees time as ever present (for him) and constant (for him) and is aware that he can not change what he sees. Is Dr. Manhattan willfully dispassionate, knowingly uncaring and accepting apathy as a necessary condition of Super-Intelligence? In as much as Dr. Manhattan sees time and events on one continuum, what Dr. Manhattan neither sees nor any longer experiences is a life-emotion connection to time as Dr. Manhattan is unburdened (unfortunate term as it suggests that life is a burden) with the finality of individual life versus collective humanity. Dr. Manhattan only experiences life, emotion and humanity through others and the less contact he has with "others" the more detached his actions. <blockquote>[–] exatera (2082) 22 days ago Well, I personally don't rate anything on IMDB until at least season 1 is over.</blockquote>Seeing as how the HBO release strategy is not set-up for Binge watching the ability to rate individual episodes actually works better than rating the entire series as one. Both Rottentomatoes and IMDB both allow you to rate individual episodes and I have been doing that since I had an account on both for years. Notwithstanding review bombing on both I still think they provide a barometer of the public. In case you needed to know who made the "Space Junk". <url>https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/04/excalibur-design.jpg</url> Nite-Owl (2) designed and made it for Silk Spectre (2). Nun with a Mother-FU$King Gun is the name of the track. Veterans Day nostalgia. From the PeteyPedia files <url>www.hbo.com/PeteyPedia</url> Lady Trieu appears to have been in contact with Veidt within the last 7 years and may have been the instigator in helping him to disappear. From Veidt's conversation, really a monologue, with his clones Veidt has only been there for 4 years and what we are watching is him in the past being dated by 4 of the 7 years up to the present. That statue of him is only 7 years older since his disappearance. Jeepster your thanks might be pre-mature but I'll accept them any way. Everything that I have typed are just my impressions of the series and Lindelöf has a way of subverting expectations and using misdirection gloriously to keep the audience continuously in a cloud of smoke. We will know what is real and what is actually happening when he is ready to tell us. Otherwise why keep watching if it was that easy to piece everything together. 😎 View all replies >