No, I always thought it turned them into pedophiles, if indeed a pedophile abused them in the first place. I have never ever heard an example of what you say, but what I just said, there are plenty of examples.
There are studies that do show this:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/
Are you UNBELIEVABLY RETARDED?? No, on second thoughts, I won't dignify the obvious answer with a response.
Actually he's not wrong... gay men can't reproduce. As they say, homosexuals cannot procreate so they indoctrinate.
You've been fed a lot of hogwash about the "born gay" hoax, which has ZERO science behind it, in fact all the science says the opposite. That hoax was started by two gay men who did an article for Christopher Street (a pro sodomy magazine) back in the 1980s. Since then endocrinology, neurophysiology, and biology have found zero evidence of a gay gene, because one doesn't exist:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6
Also, the hypothalamus isn't properly formed during the perinatal stage of development, which controls sexual urges/tendencies/attraction via gonadotropin neurotransmitters, so it is literally physiologically impossible for a human to be born gay.
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2 years ago
"You've been fed a lot of hogwash about the "born gay" hoax, which has ZERO science behind it, in fact all the science says the opposite."
Yes, I didn't do enough research, and latched onto my initial belief because then I could say that it wasn't homosexuals' fault that they were the way they are, and that persecuting them for it would be cruel and unfair.
"Also, the hypothalamus isn't properly formed during the perinatal stage of development, which controls sexual urges/tendencies/attraction via gonadotropin neurotransmitters, so it is literally physiologically impossible for a human to be born gay."
Yeah, it's very complicated indeed. I can see why a whole alphabet of letters representing human sexual types has formed over the last several decades.
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cyguration (3945)
2 years ago
then I could say that it wasn't homosexuals' fault that they were the way they are, and that persecuting them for it would be cruel and unfair.
Do you use the same excuse for pedophiles, murderers, and rapists? That the actions they undertake are done because you believe they "have no choice"?
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Killermueck (162)
2 years ago
You people are dumb and undeducated af. The male fetus gets its shape moderated by androgens and if the androgen distribution isn't sufficient due to internal (genetic/epigenetic ) or environmental factors (xenoestrogens) an intersex, trans or gay fetus can be created. Complete androgen insensivity for example results in a child that has female primary and secondary sexual characteristics plus a female gender identity but male chromosome setup aswell as underdeveloped, internal testicles.
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cyguration (3945)
2 years ago
WRONG.
Sexuality is determined by the hypothalamus, which controls the neurotransmitters that come from gonadotropin, which is AFTER the gonads have been developed, wherein someone may become intersex depending on the amount of gonadotropin initially secreted to form said gonads. That determines the chromosomal distribution for gender assignment.
Nevertheless, you talk about being dumb and uneducated but have zero understanding of how sexual attraction works. It's based on environmental stimulus that triggers gonadotropin AFTER the gonads have been fully developed, which is only possible AFTER the hypothalamus has been fully developed, which doesn't happen until AFTER the limbic system has been fully formed, which is not possible until AFTER the perinatal stage of development.
Ergo, you CANNOT be born gay based on adrenal distribution (especially considering that endocrinologists found that gay men have MORE testosterone than heterosexual men), and given the fact that the organs necessary to exhibit homo/heterosexual behaviour aren't fully formed at that stage, it's literally physiologically impossible to be born that way.
It's precisely why there are ZERO studies that concretely back up your example. Go on and link your study in your next post and I'll break down and explain to you beyond the abstract why you fit the first sentence of your post more than anyone else here.
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Killermueck (162)
2 years ago
Bro can you even read what i wrote? The prenatal development I described is scientifically uncontested. A 'female' base fetus gets masculinized and if something goes wrong there its obvious this will also affect sexual orientation. So spare us your pseudoscientific ramblings, take your shizo pills like a good boy and go watch fox news.
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cyguration (3945)
2 years ago
The prenatal development I described is scientifically uncontested.
No, it is not. That's precisely why I said YOU need to link to the peer reviewed, uncontested study that goes along with your unscientific hogwash. You have zero clue how neurophysiology works and your fantasy-oriented post above indicates that very clearly.
I can back up every single thing I've written with hard scientific evidence. You can't.
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Killermueck (162)
2 years ago
Its pretty simple: nature > nurture
Prenatal hormones may be seen as the primary determinant of adult sexual orientation, or a co-factor with genes, biological factors and/or environmental and social conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation
All the genetic, postmortem, and in vivo scanning observations support the neurobiological theory about the origin of gender dysphoria, i.e., it is the sizes of brain structures, the neuron numbers, the molecular composition, functions, and connectivity of brain structures that determine our gender identity or sexual orientation. There is no evidence that one's postnatal social environment plays a crucial role in the development of gender identity or sexual orientation.
Swaab has numerous scientific awards and was mentor of 84 Ph.D students, 16 of whom became full professor. He is editor of several journals about brain research.[14] Swaab has an H-index of 97 as of 2020, having been cited over 34,000 times.
I rather believe this guy instead of some random shizo on a right wing message board who probably listens to nutters like Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128206836000312
Men have nipples because embryos are always female in their early stages, and males only differentiate from the female prototype after a few weeks.
https://theconversation.com/why-do-men-have-nipples-120893
https://www.livescience.com/32467-why-do-men-have-nipples.html
https://pmj.bmj.com/content/87/1023/79
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cyguration (3945)
2 years ago
Wikipedia is not a peer reviewed study, ace. That's an opinion piece based on conjecture. They don't cite the molecular proteins that determine the genetic factors of sexual orientation, they simply make an unfounded claim. That's the problem when you take pseudoscience at face value from Left-wing gender study outlets.
For instance gene FGF43 helps build bones for growth, which can determine height:
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/gene/fgf23/
Same way as gene GH1 helps determine tissue metabolism as a hormonal protein:
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/gene/gh1/
What gene determines homosexuality? I'll answer that for you: there isn't one:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6
Ergo, any source that says homosexuality is genetic is outright lying. Anyone citing that source is spreading disinformation.
Dick F.Swaab's chapter is also conjecture not fact. He's spouting more pseudoscience not backed up by anything. Why? Because thought processing only occurs after the limbic system is formed, since that's what allows for the affectation of sensory stimuli. It's one of the latter organ developments in prenatal development, only really coming into bloom as a post-natal frontal cortex function:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328081981_Development_Period_of_Prefrontal_Cortex
Ergo, you cannot have conflicting somatic thoughts influenced by gonadotropin (which is what's secreted during the prenatal stage of development) because your sensory-oriented thoughts aren't formed until post-natal development: ergo, gonadotropin already influences your body's growth BEFORE you can even form thoughts. Here is the genetic process of how gonad hormones are formed: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780323479127000020
I rather believe this guy instead of some random shizo
Right, proving my point that you have
ZERO peer reviewed studies to back up your point, just easily debunked pseudoscience and conjecture.
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Killermueck (162)
2 years ago
Oh so its all a great conspiracy and you figured it all out? Great! Pls post more random links! This is outrageous!
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