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Disappointing finale (spoilers)


They killed Kingpin in such stupid manner!

In what universe Kingpin would show up in a street scene.

The writing is lame after all.

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They cut away, so he could be alive. Well, one could argue they cut away so the rating doesn't go up to R or TV-MA (TV rating equivalent of an R). But I'm pretty sure they purposely did that because they want to keep us guessing, but he is more than likely still alive. He survived everything during his fight with Kate, so he could probably survive getting shot even if he got shot in the head. Or he simply dodged/moved out of the way. Maybe he attacked Maya/Echo as she fired the gun and the bullet missed and then he fled after that. And with such a big/popular/well known villain like that, I don't see them killing him off so quickly. Sure, the MCU did kill off some major villains before, but Kingpin barely had any screen time compared to the other ones. He isn't dead. Oh and don't forget the number one rule of deaths in movies and TV shows. If there is no body or we don't actually see the person dying on screen, they aren't officially dead and could return. And 95% of the time, they do return. I'm sure the Echo show is going to show the rest of the scene. That or maybe save stuff for a Hawkeye Season 2 (IF they make one).

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I think they purposely killed him off, because there is no plan of major story arc with Kingpin. You have Murdock people will ask where is Kingpin, now they have the answer, he is dead.

If they want to bring him back there is always the multiverse.

If they don't want to kill him off, there is no reason to bring him onto a street scene without any henchmen around him, that is just stupid writing. Kingpin is a man of class & style, he does not operate like that, he also doesn't wear flowery shirts under his suit.

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They cut away because showing someone being shot point blank would be too much for a kids show.

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I doubt he died. He's PURE MUSCLEE!!! If he could take an arrow to the chest, survive a Burst Shot Arrow aka TOO DANGEROUS arrow, he definitely would've survived a bullet if he even did get shot since it was off-screen. Probably fired into the air to let her aggression out.

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Yeah. He took quite the beating during the fight with Kate. Read my comment/reply for other scenarios on what could've happened in that scene. Don't really want to re-type all that or copy/paste.

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It was detailed in Daredevil that his suit was like an amour and of course he is incredibly strong. But he is still human, can't survive a head shot.

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The gunshot was rather louder than all the preceding gunshots, maybe that was supposed to indicate that there were large calibers involved and that the shot might actually kill him? But yeah, who knows if he survived, that will all depends on what the upcoming scripts demand. What they've done here is give the mandatory season-finale Christmas happy ending, while still keeping their Kingpin options open.

Anyway, I wasn't disappointed in the finale at all, I thought it was thoroughly entertaining! A bit mawkish in places, as in inevitable in anything released this time of year, but entertaining and varied fight scenes, wonderful chemistry between Kate and Yelena, some real grit and suspense when Kate tried to take on Kingpin, and of course, the LARPers.

I am SO shipping Kate and Yelena! Or at least, I want them to make a buddy action film together.

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Something similar happens in the comic where Maya shoots him point blank in the face. Then the next panel just shows a BLAM! But it’s revealed later on that he just lost an eye.

Almost certain it’s referencing that issue so quite certain he isn’t dead.

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Maybe but effect is about the same. They basically killed the character.

Kingpin in daredevil was a man of class & style, would not be caught dead in a red flowery shirt (is everyone gay now?), would not be so easily being put under video surveillance otherwise FBI would have gotten him long before.

They reduced Kingpin to a street thug. That is worse than killing him off.

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It was such a weird choice. After getting bested by a young girl alomst as soon as he is introduced, he gets bested by Maya....and we are supposed to think he is dangerous? It was a case of tell don't show. We kept getting told that he was supposed to be some big deal, and Clint tells Kate she was lucky to survive an encounter with Kingpin, but what we actually saw on screen was a joke.
And then to finish the episode with him "apparently" getting killed, why? We just got reintroduced to him. Why would you make that choice?

First of all, Kate should never have gotten the best of him in her first encounter with him. This is such a no brainer, I can't for the life of me get my head around how the series creators could have fumbled the ball so badly. Secondly, why give him a fake death straight away? It just showed zero respect for the character. It seemed like they were more concerned about Maya*s revenge story. But no one gives a shit about Maya. We care about Kingpin. But apparently we are supposed to care about Maya, because they announced an Echo series already. Before this series was even released. Even the Punisher didn't get a series until after Daredevil Season 2 came out, and that was a character that a lot of people cared about,with a performance by Bernthal that everyone raved about. No one cares about echo, and the actress wasn't very good. But being diverse is enough to get her own series apparently.

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I agree. It’s such a disservice to the character and it spits in the face of Matt Murdock who went through hell and back just for a shot at this man.
I can understand what they were trying to do with Kate. After all she is the hero of the show. And she beat him using a combination of perseverance and pure luck. And to be fair, he was pulling his punches as he didn’t seem interested in hurting what was essentially a kid. He just wanted Eleanor.
But the crap with Maya was painful to watch as Maya is just a terrible character. She has no purpose in the show other than to distract from the main plot and the actress literally empties the charisma out of any scene she’s in. For someone like Kingpin to be taken out by such a non character so easily, when we just saw how much Kate struggled, and we know how hard Matt struggled, is just a punch in the guts really.

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All those things you say about Kate and Kingpin are true, but don't take away from the impact of her beating him on her firs encounter. Yes, they are technincal reasons why she could have come out on top, but the emotional impact is still the same.

One thing I noticed about this series was the absurd amount of characters they had to introduce. The show is called Hawkeye, but in the first episode we get an exposition introducing Kate Bishop. At the end of the second episode we are introduced to Echo. At the beginning of Episode 3 we get an Echo exposition scene. At the end of episode 4 we are introduced to Yelena. At the beginning of episode 5 we get a Yelena exposition scene. At the end of Episode 5 we are introduced to Kingpin.

Then in the last Episode we finally get to see Kingpin in action, but they also have to wrap up Kate; Clint; Maya and Yelena's arcs and get Clint Home for Christmas. If you put Kingpin in the series, then make him front and center, not an after thought.

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I don't feel like she beat him. He threw her around and everything she tries fails to phase him. The explosion doesn't feel like "Kate beat Kingpin" but more like "lucky you collapsed the bridge he was on or he woulda finished you"

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that might be plausible if he didn't walk out of there an immediately get shot by Maya, making him look comically weak. Even if we see later that he grabbed the gun out of her hand, it doesn't change the bad taste in the mouth that we have been left with, when it didn't have to be that way.

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Yeah, I can't argue that point. Even though I liked his portrayal, I was not happy with him being dragged down to a street fight without being forced. He is distinguished. This was not.

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I also agree with this take. It really seemed like Kingpin wasn't trying to kill Kate, yet. And just happened to get hit up by explosions. Seeing him get knocked out by Maya in the immediate next scene though is pretty shitty. And frankly, that scene was only needed because this show is trying to make a big deal about Maya who I don't really give a shit about.

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I agree. It’s such a disservice to the character and it spits in the face of Matt Murdock who went through hell and back just for a shot at this man.


Matt Murdock went into prison to talk to him and he nearly fucking killed him. Kingpin's scariness and untouchableness was such a huge part of the Daredevil show. I can't believe Vincent agreed to this here, especially to have him get shot down by Maya like that.

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It seemed like they were more concerned about Maya*s revenge story. But no one gives a shit about Maya. We care about Kingpin.


This is pretty much how I felt whenever they switched to Maya in the series finale. And the ultimate insult of having Kingpin getting shot like that in the alley...

Honestly, it was cool to see him feature his brute strength...tear a car door off, survive a car crash, and then seeing him toss Kate around like a rag doll but I can't help but feel that this incarnation feels like such a joke when you compare him to how he was depicted in DD S1 and S2 (didn't see S3).

He's a man of such power and influence, operating from the shadows. Hell even Hawkeye fears him. What the fuck happened.

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Also Eleanor runs a security company with sophisticated computer systems. I think video surveillance is bread and butter to a company like that, yet she was so easily video taped incriminating herself. How did she manage to be a success and repay all the loans from Kingpin?

Now the show is more like a bad joke, created in such a Disney fashion, I mean for kids 15 and under.

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Eleanor's not a super-hero. One would expect her "sophisticated computer systems" are still inferior to Yelena's spy-skills, since she IS a superhero.

I also agree that Kingpin's not dead. No way you go through all the effort to (A) secure D'Onofiro and (B) hide D'Onofrio's involvement just to kill off the character.

I'm not a comic fan any longer, but isn't Kingpin significant on the level with Lex Luthor or Dr. Doom? No way Feige EVER kills off a character at that level, at least not in a six-episode TV show.

I'd go with the "lost an eye" rationale. It's suitable payback for arranging the death of Echo/Maya's father.

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Yelena did that recording. Not only is she a skilled Black Widow, we saw her trailing Eleanor in the previous episode for that specific reason.

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No way in hell he died there!

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I liked it a lot. They hit all the marks they needed to.

And as others are saying, if they don't show him die, it's probably because he didn't die.

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Really? You know he doesnt die. Smh 🤦‍♂️.

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You don't know that. There are speculations but that is not a sure thing.

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There is no way Kingpin is dead. He still has to meet/face Spider-Man in the MCU.

If he is dead, then Kevin Feige is officially retarded.

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After the finale, I believe they are all retarded.

Anyway, you can see Kingpin could barely walk, if Maya still could not kill him then I don't know what was wrong with her.

There was someone saying Kingpin lost an eye to this, I'd say how? In that situation Maya could comfortably make sure Kingpin is dead before leaving.

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Completely agree.

If he’s not dead then the writers are asking me to buy into some brainless ‘Fast & Furious 9’ levels of bad writing like how they tried to explain how Han somehow wasn’t killed by Jason Statham’s character.

It’s just insulting and to get me excited about Vincent’s return as Kingpin only to do this just feels like a slap in the face.

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It’s just insulting and to get me excited about Vincent’s return as Kingpin only to do this just feels like a slap in the face.

You said it. That is exactly how I felt.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91PjibeDP9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Km8uPxWAvg
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This isn't even hard.

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This isn't comic books. I was talking about the Kingpin from devil.

None of videos you posted is about Kingpin participating a street fight, not when he had men, not when he did not have to.

Like what I explained to you in another post:

The first one he was already in custody.

The third one as I said before he was surround by his men, there was no witness, it was a controlled environment.

The second one I don't remember clearly, but as he said he lost everything, that means he had no choice.

Kingpin from Daredevil was no street thug. In this show he was. He did not act like a big boss, he acted like a street criminal, that is not someone should be called "Kingpin".

If you still don't understand this, then you are more than retarded. I won't bother to explain any further.

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