https://nypost.com/2023/03/12/angela-bassett-reacts-to-jamie-lee-curtis-oscars-win/
https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/13/angela-bassett-jamie-lee-curtis-oscars-win-best-supporting-actress/
People online are so judgemental now. Of course, Angela Bassett was disappointed she didn't win. She can be disappointed and is not obligated to pretend to be happy or clap for the winner. I don't think there is anything shady or wrong with her reaction. It was an honest, fair reaction.
shareAnd people are not obligated to like that kind of reaction. You can be disappointed and still appreciate the moment for the person who won. JLC didn't do anything to her.
shareDid you get upset with JLC when she didn't clap when Angela won the golden globe????
shareShe did turn around and clap when AB was announced as the winner. Lower left of the frame, starting at the 18 sec mark. That's what nearly all nominees do, nearly all the time, despite their disappointment, hence the backlash to AB's atypical reaction at the Oscars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufgMzdmse6g
And if you're talking about the millisecond flash (13 sec mark below) of her looking down during part of her speech, after just catching her hands up, probably clapping, I wouldn't call that the same as Bassett's reaction to someone other than her being announced as the winner of the Academy Award.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9augAE3q-Qw
Show me a clip of JLC reacting as Bassett did to her winning -- instead of this false equivalence -- and I'll react the same way (I'd react the same to anyone who did the same). And if she had, it would've been pointed out and harped upon by many in the same way, if not worse, with even fewer defenders than AB has.
"Upset" isn't the word I'd use to describe my personal reaction; I just found it weak. AB can think the Academy voters got it wrong without pouting during another actor's moment of a lifetime. As I said elsewhere, neither performance would've been my pick.
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I was told this was her reaction at the GG. What I want to know is, why all the hate on Angela? The kerry woman seemed to have mouthed, "WTF" when Jamie's name was called. No one is crying about that.
That's a screen grab from the flash I pointed out in the video I already linked in my first reply. Of course, no one points that she turned around clapping towards AB's table, when she was announced as the GG winner, and they left out the frames just before that one, showing her seemingly clapping hands just being lowered, all of which occurred after AB was in the midst of her speech. She just happened to look down at her lap for a split second as she lowered her hands. Like I said, nothing like AB's reaction.
And Kerry Condon seemed surprised and said "What" before clapping. Was it b/c she didn't win? I doubt it, b/c she was never a favorite. Maybe she thought AB was going to win. But again, everyone is reaching to find a parallel, but they don't come close to AB's sulking, without politely clapping, reaction. If AB had done exactly what Condon did, it never would've blown like up like this.
There's one reaction here that stands out far away from the others, and that's what people reacted to, b/c it's not usually that brazen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDeOvfBuWA
Stephanie Hsu would've been my pick. Neither JLC nor AB should've been nominees for their performances, imo.
Angela was just sitting there. I honestly don't see the issue. She didn't get up and try to walk out like Bill Murrary. Eddie Murphy did walk out. Many folks have been saying Jamie's win was nepotism. That she didn't even deserve a nomination. Yes I agree on Hsu lady. Everyone said she was deserving.
shareWell, I was disappointed too. I've always liked Curtis, but I've always thought Bassett was AWESOME, rather more deserving of a lifetime achievement award.
shareOf the field, for these performances, I would've ranked them 4th and 5th. Stephanie Hsu would've been my choice.
shareI admit I haven't seen all the nominated performances, it usually takes me a while to see movies these days. So I was speaking mainly about the "lifetime achievement" aspect of the award, which is definitely a factor when choosing between these two.
It is my opinion that Bassett has a bit more lifetime achievement!
Bassett is the better actor (as much as I adore Holly Hunter, I would have given the 1993 Best Actress award to Angie for What's Love Got to Do With It, and in hindsight, have given the 1987 Best Actress Oscar to Holly for Broadcast News), but I think Curtis has had the more distinguished career overall (e.g. Halloween, Trading Places, A Fish Called Wanda, Knives Out etc). Plus, JLC is Hollywood royalty, which tends to count for a lot (which is not to suggest she benefited from being a 'nepo-baby')
Bassett's career never really took off the way it should have done IMHO, after a string of excellent early-to-mid 90s films (the aforementioned What's Love..., Boyz n the Hood, Malcolm X, and the underrated Strange Days). She's mostly been relegated to bland supporting roles in action-thrillers as women-in-authority (e.g. Mission: Impossible, Green Lantern, Olympus Has Fallen, even the excellent Contact). Maybe that counts as a positive in terms of Black female representation (which is honourable on Bassett's part), but her apparent choosiness about certain parts (she reportedly turned down Halle Berry's Oscar-winning role in Monster's Ball, because she believed it was 'demeaning' to Black women), arguably cost her career progression on a personal level. The stoic and dignified Vice-President or Secret Service Director, doesn't often leave much room for the type of emoting and dimensions that tend to win acting awards.
disagrees harvey. no way is baset better actor. JLC is hollywood legend:
halloween - goat horror film
trading places - goat tittys
blue steel - goat tough female action film
true lies - goat terrorist killing film
basset can not compete with these film. the academy awarded the better actor and bassett needs to deal with this.
Disagree.
Like I said, JLC has made many iconic movies. She is a Hollywood icon.
But I think Bassett has given better performances, particularly in What's Love Got to Do With It.
That said, maybe I'm being unfair to JLC, because she is a *great* comic actor, and I've never seen Bassett do comedy, and can't imagine it being in her wheelhouse.
harvey have you see film called grandviews usa? jlc is very good in this alongside manly man patrick swayze and c. thomas howl. shows great range in this film.
i have also hear jlc is good in film call love letters but i have no seen this film
she is very talent actress i think she is underrate it is great story to see this person finally get recognize for many years of good film.
You forgot her hilarious work in A Fish Called Wanda
sharei have not see this film. do you recommence a fish called wanda?
shareIt's a really funny film. It's very much in the vein of those '80s and '90s comedies that are meticulously structured, build steadily, and rely on real(ish) characters to drive the material. It's not 100% naturalistic - it's exaggerated to some degree - but it feels grounded. It's not Anchorman, is what I'm saying.
If you enjoy comedies like Plains, Trains, and Automobiles; Broadcast News; or Clockwork, then A Fish Called Wanda will probably appeal to you. You also will probably like it if you enjoy character-driven comedies, British comedies, and John Cleese's sense of humour - since he was one of the driving forces behind the picture.
"It's very much in the vein of those '80s and '90s comedies that are meticulously structured, build steadily, and rely on real(ish) characters to drive the material."
I couldn't have put it better myself. 'Meticulously structured' is the key here. You can tell that Cleese, who is, or at least was, a bit of a perfectionist, spent *several* hours fine-tuning every scene - they even cut away a lot of really funny material, which is contained in the special edition DVD/blu-ray, presumably because as funny as it was in isolation, it would have detracted from the film's overall structure and tone. On the special edition DVD/blu-ray, there's a making-of retrospective which includes footage of an extended 'Cathcart Towers' scene, where K-K-Ken is using every possible means of communication, but speech, to tell Archie the location of diamonds. It's so absurd, it's absolutely hilarious, and had it been included, it would have been up there as one of the film's funniest moments, but you can see why they cut it out (i.e. pacing and tonal issues, since it's almost a glorified Monty Python sketch).
I also *love* those other films you listed (Planes, Trains..., Clockwise, and Broadcast News, the latter of which is my favourite film of 1987, just as AFCW is my favourite film of 1988). Do you also like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels? Because I think that's also in the vein of those very well-crafted, plot-driven late 1980s comedy movies.
FWIW, however, I do *also* like Anchorman, which is one of the *better* comedies of *this* century.
To me, the difference between a comedy and another movie - action, drama, whatever - that is funny is all about the plot. Are the characters and plot funny? Is the structure funny? Then it's a comedy. Farces build to ridiculous heights and sketch bonanzas are absurdity given form (chaotic form...?) Curb Your Enthusiasm is the ultimate proof. Larry David writes tight scenarios with funny characters and knows that, regardless of what they say, the actors will be funny without given dialogue.
Bang-on! Stuff needs to hit the cutting room floor to make way for pacing. Good material goes away because it detracts from the overall funny. The scenes you describe (I haven't seen them) would be wonderful, but would slow down the movie.
Yes, I love Dirty, Rotten Scoundrels, and it's absolutely another great example of a well-structured comedy.
As far as Anchorman goes, I think it's a really funny movie and I still like it a lot, although not as much as when I first saw it. Will Ferrell is great for energy, but I'm not a huge fan of his stuff. I'm not sure I can articulate it, but it's more that he yells random things and the randomness is funny. But that's not a big problem, it works in Anchorman, and it's one of the most quotable films of all time. "I love lamp," is the best one. But I also love, "That really got out of hand. That escalated quickly," (I'm paraphrasing, I know), and the "spontaneous" rendition of Afternoon Delight. It's a very, very funny movie. I'm just a little worn out on Ferrell. (Although I really love Stranger Than Fiction).
Generally-speaking, crazy comedy works, too. Monty Python is definitely crazy comedy, and I love that. Absurdity can be fun, too, and I definitely enjoy the absurd.
I don't know if the deleted AFCW scene is on YouTube, but I'd try to track it down, if you're a fan of the film. It still makes me laugh just thinking of it, and I'm still in two minds as to whether it should have been deleted. I think it would have slowed the film a little, and it's a bit more OTT than some of the other gags in the film (although arguably no more than the stuff involving the corgis, which is among my favourite material, and Otto being run over by a steamroller), but in some ways, its absurd length is what would make it so funny in the context of the movie. On one hand, it might have been so jarring that it hurt the film; on the other hand, its ridiculousness and heightened nature is precisely why it would have been so funny at that precise moment in the film. Also, the scene itself, although quite long, is very active and non-stop. Perhaps that's the problem; audience members would have been laughing so hard that they wouldn't be able to adjust their minds back to the story.
I know what you mean about Will Ferrell, but I honestly think he came up trumps with Anchorman. It might end up as his crowning achievement, at least as far as broad comedy goes. The scene that still gets me, and I have to keep returning to YouTube to watch it, is the whole "Tits McGee" sequence. As brilliant as Ferrell is in this scene, if anything it's Christina Applegate's crowning moment. The way she manages to fluster and destroy Ferrell with a simple line "Hi, I'm Veronica Corningstone. Tits Mcgee is away on vacation." It's my favourite type of comedy, because it's making an underlying point (in this case, about work-place sexism), but it's not doing it in an overly earnest/po-faced way. The woman comes out on top by subtly and smartly rising above her male colleagues' juvenile practical jokes, which in turn makes them look like morons.
I'll try to track down the scene; I'm sure it's around somewhere. The steamroller gag still makes me laugh. "REVENGE! REVENGE!"
Ferrell's antics are pretty sharp in Anchorman, but I think his costars actually tend to steal the show. You've pointed out Applegate, but Steve Carrell is also a scene-stealer.
Actually, speaking of Carrell and improv, I like The 40-Year Old Virgin a lot, but some of the improvised stuff in that (the guys clearly having fun in the electronics store) isn't as engaging as the more human moments in the film.
I'm a huge Steve Carrell film, and I'm inclined to agree that he might be my favourite Anchorman character, and like you, I also enjoy The 40-Year-Old Virgin. Of that era of improv-heavy films, it's one of the better ones, mostly because of the heart and sincerity Carrell invests in his character. Some of the improv stuff between Carrell's co-workers fall a little flatter (i.e. stuff like the "Do you know how I know you're gay...?", although I kind of like the stuff about Michael McDonnell, because, speaking as a big McDonnell/Doobie Brothers fan, it's funny seeing how much the endless loop of his footage bugs the guys, even if the gag is ostensibly making fun of McDonnell and his fans), but Rudd, Rogen and Romany Malco come off much better when they're playing off Carrell, and it's funny observing their various failings in contrast to Carrell's virgin (i.e. Rudd's porn fanatic pining after his ex, Rogen's kinky serial monogamist, and Malco's hen-pecked womaniser).
shareCarrell's just super-talented, and he's a comic actor who truly understands people, which is why he can also dive into more serious roles and dramatic material. I think this also grounds a lot of his characters and makes them more fun to watch than other people on screen. Even when he's crazy or over-the-top, there's still a small anchor point to humanity that makes him just a pleasure to watch.
The best comic actors have that grounding, in my opinion, and that's why we see a lot of them do something a little different from time to time. I'm thinking of Woody Allen when he dives into weighty material (Match Point, for instance), Adam Sandler in films like Punch, Drunk Love or Uncut Gems, or Bill Murray basically any time after the '90s.
It is neat seeing the other guys play off of Carrell. I'm not saying their improvs aren't funny, either, just that the value the "so random" stuff gives to the movie isn't as funny, heartfelt, and wonderful as moments like, for instance, Carrell's character in the group session trying to obliquely ask questions about his own situation. He's so nervous and human in that moment, it's both funny and touching.
Yes! Very much so. Where do you think my username comes from (actually the 'character's' full name is 'Harvey Manfredsinjon', but I wasn't able to fit all the characters in my username)? One of the best comedies of all time (maybe my all-time favourite comedy film), mostly because the plotting/storytelling is so well-crafted, so the big laughs feel much more natural and organic, rather than forced. Everyone is brilliant (some of the best moments come from the smaller characters, like John Cleese's snooty and imperious wife in the film).
It puts today's improvised, under-edited, pop-culture referencing, half-assed 'comedies' to shame.
Oh, the over-improvisation of comedy today... we were talking about Anchorman, and I brought up Curb, and those are great examples of improv done right, but too many people think just constantly joking and saying crazy stuff makes the movie funny. No. Pacing, stakes, plot, character! And, yeah, the pop-culture reference reliance is despair-inducing. Comedy has really suffered lately.
shareFor sure.
Don't get me wrong. I don't detest improv (I used to be part of an improv drama group as a kid), and not all pop-culture references are wretched. But both improv and pop-culture references are often used too often as a crutch for comic directors/writers/performers, in the absence of *genuine* wit and well-crafted storytelling.
I think one of thew few filmmakers in recent years who still makes great comedy films is Edgar Wright (with the Cornetto Trilogy). Those films are genuinely well-written and constructed as well as being very funny. I hope after a few dramatic movies, Wright returns to comedy, because the genre could really do with him.
Improv is great. I've enjoyed Whose Line Is It Anyway?, I love Curb Your Enthusiasm, and plenty of great filmmakers use improv to boost their work. It can be wonderful. Christopher Guest, for instance, uses it extremely well. On the other hand, I think one of the best bad examples is The Green Hornet. They clearly didn't finish that script. Seth Rogen has a "writing" credit, and I'm guessing a lot of that was him just going, "Hey, we'll make some stuff up here!" The most cringe-inducing scene is, for me, the scene between Christoph Waltz and James Franco, who are clearly just trying to make stuff up and it doesn't work.
Likewise, pop culture references can be fun. But, as you say, when they are the only thing a film or television show uses to be "funny," they become tiresome.
Edgar Wright is a brilliant comic filmmaker, yes, and if he makes more comedies, I'll be there to see 'em. Death of Stalin was a hilarious, if extremely dark, black comedy, but that's already 5 years old. I liked Taika Waititi's Hunt of the Wilderpeople. Wes Anderson still does quirky stuff, as do the Coens, but they aren't really the same thing as the well-structured comedy.
Agreed entirely (as much as I can; I loved WLIIA?, but I wasn't able to catch most Curb episodes, and I entirely missed Green Hornet; I heard it was bad, which is a shame, since I love Michel Gondry's work on The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, as well as many of his music videos).
Agreed about Death of Stalin (I've been a fan of Armando Ianucci since "The Day Today"), although I haven't seen Hunt of the Wilderpeople yet, and you're right about Wes Anderson and the Coens. They're great (I'm especially a big Coen Bros fan), but they make quirkier films rather than high-concept comedies (The Big Lebowski, which might be my favourite Coen Bros fan, and the underrated Burn After Reading, are arguable exceptions).
Oh, don't bother with The Green Hornet. It's abysmal. I didn't know the same director did Eternal Sunshine. That's super weird.
And, yes, the Coens and Anderson go for "quirky," and they aren't necessarily making comedies. Fargo is a crime movie that contains so many quirky characters it's funny more than it is a comedy. Anderson's films are comedies, but very specific "indie" style. I'd agree that Lebowski is a comedy; it's basically a parody of detective movies like The Maltese Falcon.
I'm only familiar with Ianucci from DoS; I haven't seen his other work. If Death of Stalin is any indicator, though, I'd love it. I laughed so hard during that movie that two women moved seats so they weren't right in front of me.
Ianucci pretty much started off in TV. He did a lot of absurdist satire, often teaming up with Steve Coogan and Chris Morris, who were both part of "The Day Today" (which is a six-episode parody show of British TV news, and IMHO one of the best satirical shows ever made).
It's a shame about The Green Hornet, in view of both the concept and the director in particular, but I always thought Seth Rogen was a poor fit for that part. Even as a parody/comedy, which is what I presume it is, he seemed wrong for the role, and I can't help thinking that it was a bit of a vanity project for him.
Seth Rogen is supposed to be the 'everyman' type. But Britt Reid is the complete opposite of that type.
I like Coogan a lot. I saw The Trip to Italy and loved it; he was super funny in Tropic Thunder, of course; and I did see the Alan Partridge film, which I'm now seeing has Ianucci credited as a writer.
Yeah, I was disappointed by The Green Hornet, too. I had hopes that Rogen was going to take it seriously and deliver a surprisingly decent Britt Reid, the way that other comedy actors have been handed superheroes and knocked it out of the park. Keaton's Batman, for instance. Also, Heath Ledger as the Joker, who I always had faith in, but most people hated when it was announced. That seems like sacrilege now.
It's going for parody, I think, but it's not fully committed, and as I said, they clearly spent a lot of time making stuff up. I didn't see the Ghostbusters remake, but from what I've seen, it has similar vibes of being very over-jokey and not knowing when to actually deal with the plot.
I've never thought of Rogen as an "everyman". I tend to think of him as a "stoner/slacker".
To some people, the 'stoner/slacker' *is* the everyman. LOL.
But what I mean is that he isn't the rich, spoiled, pretty boy, out-of-touch anti-hero type.
Fair enough, I suppose. When I think of "Everyman," actors, I think of Jimmy Stewart and Tom Hanks. I'm not sure who the modern Everyman actor is, if we have one. Movies have been so mythology-heavy lately (all the Marvels and Star Warses) that most of the people on-screen are larger-than-life - or made to appear so.
He's certainly not rich, spoiled, pretty boy, or an anti-hero. His latest comments complaining about critics criticizing the works of creative people does make him seem at least a bit out-of-touch, though.
thank you for recommend harvey i will put it on watchlist
shareCool.
I'm sorry I snapped at you in another thread, although my argument still applies, even though I mean nothing personal against *you*.
yes no problems harvey i remember you from old imdb i respect veteran movie posters as there is not many of them on this site just race obsess retard like keelai
shareDid you have a different username from the old IMDb?
shareno harvey i have same name on old imdb but i did not post because i could not type english i could just read (some).
i remember you well. there were some good posters and you were one. it is good to see your name again. old generations are best, newer ones raise on comic book film dont know shit about film they couldn't understand good film if it shoot them in ass.
Angela Bassett often plays same role - herself - over the top sure of herself and super confident sassy person who can tell off any bully. Which she did in Wakanda too. There was nothing groundbreaking really.
shareyes agree 100 percents i first see her in boys in the hood playing sassy tough black moms and that is same kind of role i see her in all time. no much range.
shareI actually like her a lot as an actress. Have you seen What's Love Got To Do With It? She's phenomenal in that. But that's possibly she's playing a character (i.e. Tina Turner) who is ostensibly very strong and defiant, but also displays some moments of genuine vulnerability.
It's far harder to impress as an actor/actress if you're regularly playing very controlled, very stoic authoritarian types.
That said, I haven't seen Wakanda yet, and my impression from the trailer was that her character does display more emotional vulnerability than some of Angela's more recent performances allowed.
Doesn't matter, though, does it? Tommy Lee Jones isn't known for range, but what he does, he does well enough to earn that gold. Some actors are impressive as chameleons (Daniel Day Lewis, Meryl Streep) and others are impressive for nailing a specific "thing" (Clint Eastwood, Debi Mazar), but it doesn't mean that the latter actors don't have range or ability. Finally, there are some actors who can hold a movie down on charisma. That leading-star energy that guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger have. Is he a master actor? No. Will we watch him in a tonne of movies? Yes. He's likeable, and he knows how to share a sense of fun with the audience. That's a talent, too.
Strangely, the chameleon actors get credited as being the best, but if you gave Meryl Streep the task of mimicking Debi Mazar's character work, could she outgun that master? Equal, maybe? I doubt she could top her, though. Could Daniel Day Lewis make Conan the Barbarian or Terminator 2 work? Probably, but would he be a better "star" than Ahnold?
What are her crowning performances? I rarely see any of her movies or see her in movies I watch other than Black Panther.
shareI'd highly recommend What's Love Got to Do With It (which I believe deserved the 1993 Best Actress Oscar), and the excellent Strange Days (irrespective of Angela's performance, which is ace, it's just a great sci-fi thriller). I'd have said Boyz n the Hood as well, but after the opening few scenes, she's barely in that one (as good as she is), and Malcolm X (but she's very much playing support to Denzel Washington there; it really is *his* film, as you might expect from the title).
shareWhy? Is this a requirement?
shareJudd Hirsch isn't shown clapping for Ke Huy Quan. He was shown reaching in his pocket. Why isn't he being called out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFRIu7ehZl0
shareHe wasn't one of the actors up for an award. If you notice, all of the other actors who didn't win clapped for Ke Huy Quan, as they should. I'm sure all of them were just as disappointed as Bassett but they took the high road.
shareJudd Hirsch *was* nominated for Best Supporting Actor for The Fabelmans (i.e. the same category as Ke Huy Quan).
shareOops, my mistake, I didn't recognize him. It doesn't appear that he clapped, although the camera went off all of them very quickly. He wasn't scowling though, he was smiling, as were all of the other contenders.
shareI ain't got time for that rich 'daddy bought me this' butter-wouldn't melt fake-ass white girl Taylor Swift/Princess Di *shit*. Black and Jewish actors, who've been around the block, and had to *fight* to get where they are, *thankfully* don't go in for all that 'well-brought-up' upper-class white princess BULLSHIT. They tell it and SHOW it, like it is, which is much more preferable to Regina George backstabbing mean-girl fakery. 😠
shareLots of words when you could just say people who visibly show their disdain for someone else winning over them are low class instead.
shareI assume because no one was saying Hirsch was the victim of awards racism and he never complained about America being so corrupt that even white elementary school children are racist. With that context, people became highly attuned to her reaction over losing to a white woman never before nominated for an academy award.
shareYou may be right, and maybe she could have reacted differently, but it could also just be the press making a mountain out of a molehill. I mean how often do we see headlines about people being outraged by something, and the article quotes two people on twitter, but now 100s more are outraged because a headline told them to be.
I'd also like to see how she reacted after that 1 second after it cut away. Did they show her again during the speech? Did she say anything afterwards? I don't recall seeing that. Bassett might be a really sore loser, or she might have had a delayed reaction due to disappointment. Who knows?
So true. And, I have to say that she seemed pretty graceful in discussing her 1994 best actress loss to Holly Hunter. I watched the 1994 video any didn’t see much difference although it was really brief in catching her reaction. Media and commenters love to create clicks though
share"I'd also like to see how she reacted after that 1 second after it cut away. Did they show her again during the speech? " agreed
shareWhite elementary school children are not racist. You make asinine statements.
You’ve misinterpreted my post. Bassett made the highly publicized asinine statement a couple years ago that her 12 year old twins were treated with racism by white children dating back to preschool. She remarkably claimed that despite her vast wealth and fame, white children would not play with her kids because they were black.
I was making the point to sslssg that people might thus be more willing to interpret her reaction as unbecoming (as opposed to that of Judd Hirsch) upon losing the Oscar to an actor of another race. How many beers did you have before you read my post?
He was reaching for his pocket to pull his phone out as it was such an epic moment he needed to record it. Short Round WON! he gasps.
shareYou can spin it anyway you want. I don't think Judd Hirsch was being rude. I think they have the camera on the losers for a second and we don't really know what is going through there heads, or how they are reacting in the following seconds. I don't know Bassett, she might be an awful person. She also might be a person who was just having a difficult time controlling her emotions for losing a second time. She might have actually been happy for JLC. We don't know from that one second.
shareBecause he is nobody and is too old for this sh*t.
And its actresses that always do that - start enthusiastically screaming, pointing and have that puppy happiness like this is what they always wanted - for that actress to win. Because she is like super talented and super deserves it. It looks incredibly fake, forced and cringe.
I suspect it started when everyone politely clapped. But then some actresses started being super happy and then everyone else decided they had to follow otherwise press will call them sore losers. And not it turned into circus.
Male actors dont do that. If you will "slow speed" video you will see that two at the top politely clapped for a second and then had disappointment face. Judd Hirsch is 87 years old and is not used to go to awards and play pretend. He probably even forgot he was still on screen and had more important things - getting something from his pocket. I suspect it was his speech paper and he has put it in the pocket since he will not need it anymore.
Yeah, and I have no problem with it. I'm just pointing out that he didn't clap, but the so called news media isn't all over him, and calling him shady.
shareMain reason is that he is nobody. And his winning opponent is even more nobody. Would it be George Clooney not clapping Tom Cruise - they would notice.
And he wasnt shading with coldness and be sore loser like Angela did. Dude just saw he wasnt winning and put that paper into his pocket. With the face: "Oh well, not today. What can you do. When is after-party with drinks?".
My point is that no one should care if either one clapped or not. The media took a one second clip of someone looking disappointed and made her out to be a horrible person. Has she done any interviews? Has she said anything to backup one moment of a facial expression. Maybe she was trying not to cry. Who knows? Not me. Not you. No one except for Angela. Maybe she is shady. I need more than one second to know that.
shareI didn't see the broadcast, so I'm not going to make a judgement, but I do wonder if Black actors are simply just more honest and less inclined to do the whole false 'clapping sealion' thing, than their white peers.
For instance, does anyone remember Samuel L. Jackson's response to losing the 1994 Best Supporting Actor Oscar to Martin Landau? Viewers were able to spot him clearly whisper "Oh shit!"
I just think it's classless. I don't think color has anything to do with it.
shareLike I say, I didn't see the broadcast. I've noticed many actors, including many white actors, choose not to clap when 'losing' out on an Oscar over the years, but I do wonder if there's something admirably honest about it. It's cutting through the fake 'smiley-smiley' bullshit.
shareIt's cutting through the fake 'smiley-smiley' bullshit.
Nah. They're not playing characters at these award ceremonies...or maybe they are, but my point is, they *shouldn't* be.
shareYou think not? I'd imagine these people are fully switched on fake mode 99.9% of the time. In fact, maybe they fully morph into their public caricature at a certain point...
Anyway, I'd say if she's not capable of faking it up for the simple purpose of niceties, then she's not deserving of an acting award full stop.
Black people have to put up with a lot more shit than white people. So yeah, race has everything to do with it.
shareBut we're not talking about "Black people", we're talking about one highly successful actress who acted totally classless. There have been a lot of White losers and Black losers over the years and there will continue to be. When someone loses - whether it's an Academy Award or any other award or contest for that matter - the gracious thing to do is to at least clap for the winner. Of course she was disappointed she didn't win, I'm sure they all were, but be gracious and professional (in public anyway).
Edited because I found these videos of sore losers, although some still clapped. Some are tackier than others. Angela Bassett is not alone. Oh, and almost all of these sore losers are White.
https://nypost.com/article/biggest-sore-losers-in-oscars-history-angela-bassett-to-jack-nicholson/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11854457/The-biggest-SORE-LOSERS-worst-reactions-Oscars-history-revealed.html
True, but this is still a group of relatively privileged, wealthy and acclaimed individuals, irrespective of race.
Compared to *most* Black people, a famous filmstar who's being nominated for an Academy Award has it *relatively* easy, and it's not as if Bassett is some ingenue who's just emerged from obscurity. She's been a well-regarded and regularly in-work actress for a few decades now.
That said, I personally appreciate that a lot of Black actors seem to cut through a lot of the bullshit you see from their white peers. I don't think it's a 'lack of manners', but I think that type of nicey-nicey Mean Girl fakeness is something that rich white girls are raised to do. People who've had to struggle generally haven't got time for that 'polite' bullshit. They needed to be themselves to *survive*.
She's not the first to lose and she won't be the last. It's one thing to show disappointment, of course it's a disappointment. It's quite another to actually show disdain for the winner by not standing or clapping. That's just not done. Shame on Bassett. Her classless reaction has me actually glad she didn't win.
shareShe's a sore loser and SHOWS IT.
sharemeh.
i wouldn't clap either since you know. I DIDN'T WIN
rather this than the fake two-clapper