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Israel Ethnic Cleansing Plan Leaked!


It proposed moving the Gaza’s population of more than 2.2 million people to tent cities in northern Sinai, then later building permanent cities and an undefined humanitarian corridor.

The report did not say what would become of Gaza once its population had been cleared out, but indicated that the evicted residents could ultimately settle elsewhere. Countries including Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates could give the refugees money or resettle them, the document suggested.

The paper admitted the proposal “is liable to be complicated in terms of international legitimacy”.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-says-plan-expel-gaza-134331553.html

AKA: Land grab; Operation Ethnic Cleanse

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All muslims have to do is to ignore jewish people. If muslims are not aggressive towards jews then jews would not be able to use israel military against muslims.

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being trapped in one of the most densely populated areas surrounded by the Israeli (and egyptian) military on all sides makes that abit difficult. Its lik saying "Dirk just ignore your neighbour he cant hurt you". and your retort is "but hes building a fence around my home blocking me in and surrounded it with his family members with guns"

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My neighbors have guns and I ignore them just the same. A neighbor building a fence is great since that makes it so you never catch a glance of them. No matter what, ignoring people that you do not like is the best thing to do. If germanic people had completely ignored jews throughout history everything would be fine.

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How did you get everything so completely and utterly wrong?

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Ignoring oppression is the worse thing you can do because as time passes the oppressor will escalate it. At some point you have to defend yourself and fight back.

"If germanic people had completely ignored jews throughout history everything would be fine."

You have it reversed. Germans were the oppressor and Jews the victim. Holocaust didn't just happen out of the blue. The persecution of Jews escalated slowly over time. Holocaust happened after discrimination took place, then hostile treatment to force Jews to leave, then violent attacks, then forced ethnic cleansing to segregated ghettos, finally genocide.

This doesn't only apply to ethnic groups. Abusive work situations, abusive relationships, etc.. An insult from a boyfriend, becomes verbal abuse, then a slap, then a beating.

This is ethnic cleansing happening now in the West Bank:

"Armed (Jewish) settlers – some in reservist army uniforms, some covering their faces – have begun breaking into their (Palestinians) homes at night, beating up adults, destroying and stealing belongings, and terrifying the children."

“Settler violence is now worse than ever. Sometimes, they are wearing reservist uniforms, and we don’t know who is the army and who is a settler any more,” he said.

“The people in Tuba were given a 24-hour ultimatum to leave, or the settlers said they would come back and kill them."

On Monday, men and women cried as they dismantled their homes and haphazardly packed solar panels, animal feed and personal belongings on to pickup trucks."

According to B’Tselem, in the last three weeks 858 Palestinians from 32 different communities, and 13 entire communities in total, have been forcibly displaced. The numbers increase every day."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers

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Ignoring oppression is the worse thing you can do because as time passes the oppressor will escalate it. At some point you have to defend yourself and fight back.


You are absolutely full of crap! You want to ignore the Islamosupremacist oppression that dominates the Muslim world! At what point should Jews defend themselves and fight back against Islamosupremacy?!

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Yet he agreed with the attempted Covid Oppression on those who desired to be Pro-Choice.

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what if the neighbour keeps pushing that fence further into your garden?

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Lakeview Terrace

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Reminder: Putin tries to play both sides when it comes to disinformation.

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Otherwise known as information.

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otherwise known as utter bullshit

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Good
I hope they kill mostly all palestinians, and the rest are forced to move. By mostly all palestinians, I mean the future terrorists, they are the worst.(which the Hamas controlled media labels as babies. Dont fall for their propaganda !)
Israel, I love you. Please continue what you are doing. All the world is slowly realising how much harm those evil palestinians inflicted on your great nation.
I especially love your army tiktoks, and those tiktoks that expose the palestinians as the dogs they are.

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Edginess is the pathetic cousin of trolling and griefing.

Also, yuck... could you give any more of a tongue bath?

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Nah, that should suffice

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Somebodies idea. But I can tell you a whole bunch of worse things have been discussed what to do with the Jewish people.

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You mean in ww2, correct?
When people thought that they should find a final solution for the jews. And they starved, maimed, raped, tortured and killed them.
So, please discuss your final solution for the palestinians.
We already have killing, torture, maiming, starvation. What should be added?

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The percentage of worldwide Jews is 0.2%. The percentage of worldwide Muslims is 24%. Israel is the only majority Jewish country. There are 22 majority Muslim countries. There are currently less Jews alive now than there were before the Holocaust. Muslims have also had ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Hamas on their side. Israel has done some pretty bad stuff to Palestine, but when there are multiple active terrorist organizations speaking for that religion, I find it very hard to say that Israel is ethnic cleansing more than Palestine is.

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Israeli Jews forced 750,000 Palestinians out of the country who are living in exile. That's ethnic cleansing. It continues today with 1.1 million Gazans told to leave their homes and Palestinians in the west Bank threatened at gunpoint to leave by Jewish settlers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/INTERACTIVE-Ethnic-cleansing.png?w=770&resize=770%2C770&quality=80

The number of Jews is irrelevant. They fled from European tyranny to Palestine where they decided an invisible man told them to claim ALL the land for themselves.

I'll add that there were Jews living in Palestine and throughout the Middle Eastern Muslim-majority countries for centuries. Zionists' land grab angered those countries and has since created tension.

I found out the following from a rabbi:

"Did you know that Jews were safer under Islam than in Europe?"
https://youtu.be/Klfip2scUIs?si=fVbAOP9_PilHWtLJ

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There's nothing wrong with Jews coming back to Israel and claiming all of it after Islam conquered millions of square miles of land in an attempt to take over the entire world. Zionism can only be wrong if Islam is basically pure evil.

It may have been true that Jews had it safer under Muslim rule than Christian rule during the Middle Ages but that's just a generalization which itself may not be actually true. That claim obscures the massive Muslim violence against Jews in that time period. You probably didn't know that Muslims massacred 4,000 Jews in the Spanish city of Granada in the year 1066. But by this point in time Jews have it far better in Europe than they do in the Muslim world. That's why the Jewish population in Europe is so enormous compared to the Jewish population in the Muslim world.

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You're justifying ethnic cleansing and genocide. Hitler did the same.

Black Death: Around 2,000 Jews were burnt alive on 14 February 1349 in the "Valentine's Day" Strasbourg massacre. 510 Jewish communities destroyed in this period, some members killed themselves to avoid the persecutions. The 3,000-strong Jewish population of Mainz initially defended themselves and managed to hold off the Christian attackers. However, the Christians managed to overwhelm the Jewish ghetto in the end and killed all of its Jews.

Spanish Inquisition: Royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502 ordered Jews and Muslims to convert to Catholicism or leave Castile, resulting in hundreds of thousands of forced conversions, the persecution of conversos and moriscos, and the mass expulsions of Jews and of Muslims from Spain. An estimated 200,000 Jews changed their religion or else concealed their religion.

Pograms: The Kiev pogroms of 1919, between 30,000 and 70,000 Jews were massacred across Ukraine; although more recent assessments put the Jewish death toll at more than 100,000.

Historically, Muslims treated Jews much better than Europeans.

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You're justifying Muslim privilege and Muslim entitlement. I haven't come anywhere close to justifying genocide. Israel didn't come anywhere close to committing genocide when it was established. If you're right to accuse me of justifying ethnic cleansing then all you've accomplished is to put me in the same boat as Churchill and Roosevelt, the men who actually defeated Hitler. Jews have a right to equality in the Muslim world:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/654319ae7a132952c2cd2e8b/Are-Jews-entitled-to-equality-fairness-or-to-even-exist-in-the-Muslim-world

All I'm justifying is equality for Jews in the Muslim world. Is that really so much to ask for?

You claim that Muslims treated Jews better than Christians did but you didn't even try to point to anything good in the Muslim world. You just pointed to a bunch of bad stuff in Europe. At most that would prove that Christians treated Jews worse than Muslims did, not that Muslims treated Jews "good". You point out all these Medieval Christian atrocities against Jews as if you know this topic better than me. I learned all this stuff in elementary school. It's not your place to explain any of this to me. You still can't deny that the Muslim slaughter of 4,000 Jews in Granada was the single worst massacre of Jews in the Middle Ages.

The notion that Jews had it better under Muslim rather than Christian rule during the Middle Ages is merely the opinion of some historians. There are other historians whose opinion is it was the other way around. Christian treatment of Jews didn't become clearly worse than Muslim treatment of Jews until the 20th Century. But nowadays, which is what really matters most, Jews clearly have it far better in Europe than in the Muslim world.

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More Islamophobic rant from you.

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What do you think you're actually accomplishing here, with all your lies and hate?

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Oh, the fresh T-troll again...this time bumping. ☻

https://moviechat.org/nm0386944/Adolf-Hitler/652347a90a93b063ac676988/Palestine-or-Israel-Which-side-would-he-be-on
OP Toomer

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Keelai,

You're still justifying Muslim privilege and Muslim entitlement. Do you think the issue of Islamosupremacy in an 830,000 square mile country that completely bans non-Muslims from citizenship just magically disappears because you cry 'islamophobia'?

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Another Islamophobic rant from you.

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Does all your complaining about the historical Christian persecution of Jews in Europe make you a Christophobe?

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It is impossible to have a good faith exchange with Keelai. She always follows the same recipe: say something outlandish, ignore a factual response, fabricate history, take your response completely out of context / strawman, call you a racist.

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Actually, Islamophobe has become her recent, preferred label when she's out of options in a real debate. And she likes to accuse you of supporting genocide when that's exactly what she's doing.

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I have to think a lot Americans are forming a legitimate phobia about Islam having watched the DC protests with images akin to the 2011 Egyptian revolution at the gates of the executive mansion. America opened her doors to people from the Middle East and now apparently imported instability / political and religious intolerance.

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"legitimate phobia about Islam"

Nothing legitimate about bigotry.

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I have explained to you in exhaustive detail the problems of Islamism that dominate the Muslim world:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65301cb5ca1d095d0bb7cf92/Israel-is-a-necessary-refuge-for-Jews-in-the-theocratic-hateful-and-repressive-Muslim-world

Every response you've made when I bring up this issue has been utterly pathetic! All you know is how to lazily label expressions of concern for these huge, undeniable problems as bigotry. You don't have the slightest clue how to explain why it's actually bigotry because you know the facts are not on your side.

I fully expect you to respond to this post in a way that thoroughly proves the total truth of the previous paragraph.

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Yes, we all know you're an Islamophobe.

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Who is this "we" you speak of? Can you point me to a single other person here who thinks I'm an Islamophobe? But everyone here does know that you're an Islamophile who goes out of your way to completely ignore the evils of Islamosupremacy that dominate the Muslim world.

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Israeli Jews forced 750,000 Palestinians out of the country who are living in exile. That's ethnic cleansing. It

When a state (Palestine) elects a terror organization as their leaders and has made no attempt to overthrow them, they're also doing the ethnic cleansing. Furthermore, how many actual Palestinians have actually spoken out against this Hamas attack a few weeks ago? They support that shit too.
They fled from European tyranny to Palestine where they decided an invisible man told them to claim ALL the land for themselves.

It was a British mandate after Britain seized control of the land. The United Nations adopted Resolution 181, which called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states, was rejected by Palestine. Palestine had their chance to put this all to bed, but they didn't like the amount of Jews in their land (which is debatable that it's even their land).

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I guess The United Nations is the "invisible man" she's referring to in her above stupid post and her "landgrab" allegation pertains to the Partition Resolution.

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Keelai always has a weird agenda.

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I think it's actually pretty easy to discern. She wants to flaunt her self-assumed intellectual superiority via her political biases. She's a narcissist.

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Against genocide is weird to you?

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Yes, it is weird. Why would anyone do such a thing? You should ask Hamas why hey want to destroy Israel.

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Hamas doesn't equal the Palestinian people nor represent them since they overthrew the representative government in 2007 and don't hold elections.

Don't you mean that Netanyahu wants to destroy Palestine and the Palestinian people?
https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/lying-map-1536x1016.jpeg

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Hamas doesn't equal the Palestinian people nor represent them

And yet they celebrated the recent attack.

As for your map:
https://merrimackvalleyhavurah.wordpress.com/2021/05/16/the-origin-of-the-state-of-israel-in-maps/

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My map is accurate. Your cartoony red ban symbol doesn't change that fact.

Your lie about celebrations reminds me of Trump's BS when he lied about Muslims celebrating 9/11. I have yet to see a link from a credible source.

Anyway, your support for genocide is not a good look.

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So you just want to show a random map, then when I show you evidence it's inaccurate, your only response is, "it is accurate"?

And I didn't lie about celebrations. Here are a few from Palestine and other places around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnJ9b8sKoWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMA6DcHquEU&pp=ygUWUGFsZXN0aW5pYW5zIGNlbGVicmF0ZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyBbisi-Ss&pp=ygUWUGFsZXN0aW5pYW5zIGNlbGVicmF0ZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdjMaqTC3M&pp=ygUWUGFsZXN0aW5pYW5zIGNlbGVicmF0ZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4vVJ0hrSs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDjtzJmimb8&pp=ygUWUGFsZXN0aW5pYW5zIGNlbGVicmF0ZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0h1pzczcno


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youtube isn't a credible source. They could be celebrating Ramadan.

You're the only one on the planet unaware that there was no Israel before 1947.

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I know when it became a country. Jesus was born in Jerusalem and he isn't an Islamic religious figure. Did you think Jerusalem walked out of Israel and set up shop in a Palestine country?

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No, Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

Original inhabitants were Caananites whose descendants are the Lebaneses.

Actually, Jesus IS an Islamic figure! He's considered a prophet and is mentioned in the Koran.

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He was actually born in the
Herodian kingdom, but he grew up in Jerusalem.
Jesus is also a central figure in Christianity, not Islam. Just because he shows up in the Quran, doesn't make him an Islamic figure.

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You already showed that you don't know anything. Go away!

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You're actually claiming Jesus was an Islamic figure.

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Yes, Muslims believe Jesus is a very important prophet, the Messiah, performed miracles and was Muslim since some of the things he preached are part of Islamic beliefs.

Meanwhile, Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.

BTW, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Christianity and Judaism.

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That doesn't mean Jesus is a Muslim figure.

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Says who? Christians call him a Christian figure even though he was Jewish.

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Jesus[d] (c. 6 to 4 BC – AD 30 or 33), also referred to as Jesus Christ,[e] Jesus of Nazareth, and many other names and titles, was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader.[10] He is the central figure of Christianity, the world's largest religion. Most Christians believe Jesus to be the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Jewish messiah, the Christ that is prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
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I already wrote that:
"Christians call him a Christian figure even though he was Jewish."

Jews don't consider Jesus to be the messiah.

"Muslims believe Jesus was an Islamic prophet. He was a faithful Muslim, or follower of Allah. He is in a long line of prophets that are mentioned in Scripture. This includes Abraham, Moses, and David. Islam considers all of them to be Islamic prophets."

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But he's still a Catholic figure, not an Islamic one. That's like calling Cher and acting legend, when we know she more of a music legend.

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Jesus is only a Catholic figure? Not Protestant, too?

You didn't know anything about Islam. Now, you do. You're welcome.

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There's a difference with saying Jesus is a Catholic figure and Jesus is an Islamic figure. I never mentioned "only".

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You need to man-up and admit that you were wrong about how Muslims view Jesus. No reason to double-down on your mistake.

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No one watches "The Passion of Christ" and says it's an Islamic film. Jesus isn't a central figure of Islam. Hell, Muslims don't even celebrate Christmas.

https://www.alhakam.org/why-muslims-do-not-celebrate-christmas/

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1. Hamas is divided into 2 wings: military and social services.

2. Most countries don't consider Hamas a terror organization.

3. Why would Palestinians agree to having most of their land stolen and half of their citizens expelled?

4. It wasn't Britain's country to give away. Typical racist colonialist mentality. So entitled!

5. Palestinians don't have any power, therefore are not in a position to ethnic cleanse.

6. White Jews from Europe treat the native brown and black Jews like second-class citizens. They forced native Palestinians Jews from their homes too, aka ethnic cleansed, to less desirable regions of Israel. And they routinely reject black Jews from immigrating even though they have a ALL Jews are welcome policy. Palestinian Christians have fled because of ongoing violence and discrimination by Jews.

7. It's not debatable unless you're into far-right extremist propaganda.

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#2. Most countries don't consider Hamas a terror organization.

You're obviously one of the idiots mentioned here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbIfCNVJlKs

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youtube? Can't you write a sentence to express yourself?

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Keelai,

If you're going to deny that Hamas is a terrorist group then why do you go to all the effort to repeatedly claim that Bibi "propped" it up in Gaza? How was that a scandal if Hamas isn't really a terrorist group? It doesn't matter how many countries do or don't designate Hamas a terrorist group. You're making a lazy bangwagon argument. Hamas is objectively a terrorist group. They just massacred over a thousand Israelis in the biggest terorist attack against Israel in its entire history!

Palestinians would agree in 1948 to let Jews have half the land of Israel if they had the decency to feel bad over the Holocaust and feel bad that they didn't make any real sacrifice to end the Holocaust, they felt guilty over the Muslim theft of millions of square miles of land in the Middle Ages and wanted to give some of it back, they felt guilty over the rampant Islamosupremacy completely surrounding them and wanted to devote themselves to the total dismantlement of it, and they knew that if they took over the whole land they would just commit genocide against the Jews.

Britain didn't "give away" the land. The United Nations made the decision to partition it. Palestinians don't currently have power over the land but you want to change that. They could ethnically cleanse Jews once they have that power. Like nearly every country on Earth, Israel has problems with discrimination, even against certain Jews. But it's not so bad that those Jews respond with terrorism. It's interesting that you bring up Mizrahi Jews because they're Likud's voting base. The Black Hebrew Israelites to whom Israel prevents entry aren't really Jews. And Israel never forced "Palestinian" Jews from their homes.

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Palestinians would agree in 1948 to let Jews have half the land of Israel if they had the decency to feel bad over the Holocaust

Nailed it. Imagine nowadays if any country decided to tell a bunch of asylum seekers to "go back to their country"? Somehow because Palestinians did it in the 1940s it's okay to go it now. And that's even assuming it was their land to begin with.

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Germans should have given half their land to Jews in order to create Israel since they committed the Holocaust.

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It would have been unsafe for Jews at the time, but sure why not.

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" The United Nations made the decision to partition it."
Not their land to give away.

"Black Hebrew Israelites"
I didn't mention them. I wrote about black Jews who are denied entry. Have you been to Israel?

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Germans should have given half their land to Jews in order to create Israel since they committed the Holocaust.

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Regardless of whose land it was, the United Nations made the decision to partition it. If it wasn't the UN's place to make that decision then whose was it?

I don't know of any black Jews that have been denied entry to Israel. How the hell would me going to Israel make me an up to date expert on Israel's immigration practices?

The Germans after World War II were under enemy occupation and in no position to make any decisions about what to do with their land. And Jews didn't have the power to get German land. And there were already a half million Jews in the British Mandate operating a quasi-state by the end of World War II. They couldn't all just get up and leave to go somewhere else.

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Not their land to partition.

You don't know anything about black Jews because you're ignorant about Jewish history, culture, religion, politics and current events.

Excuses, excuses!

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Then *WHO* got to decide on the issue of partition? Answer the question!

I'm well aware of black Jews. My lack of expertise on Israel's current immigration practices does NOT make me ignorant about black Jews. Your statement is a complete non sequitur. I guess you don't have any evidence that Israel has denied entry to any black Jews.

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You know nothing about black Jews who are neither American nor part of "current immigration practices".

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What do you actually know about black Jews? Why don't you actually enlighten us with your vast knowledge of black Jews instead of constantly calling everyone who disagrees with you ignorant about whatever you're arguing about at the moment?

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"I'm well aware of black Jews."

You should know.

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I should know what? What should I know?

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Let's discuss. Have you been to Israel?

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I've been to Israel 3 times. And you still haven't answered my question.

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And you didn't see any Black Jews?

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I did see some black Jews in Israel. What the hell is your point?

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Where were they from and what did they look like?

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Which is your favorite Israeli show? You must be fluent in Hebrew? Correct?

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You know, I'm being very nice to you answering all these questions. Maybe you stop your nonsense claiming that I'm not Jewish.

My only distinct memory of seeing a black Jew in Israel is when I was in Beersheva and saw a black Jew in an IDF uniform. The only Israeli TV show I ever watched was the Israeli version of Sesame Street, which was shown to us at Jewish school. I'm not fluent in Hebrew and never was. The Hebrew language instruction at my Jewish school wasn't good enough to make the students fluent.

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LOL! Why are you pretending to be Jewish?

You're Orthodox. Your parents are Orthodox. And you went to Jewish schools for many years where Hebrew was taught. You should have basic knowledge. How did you read the Torah in school?

You were in Israel 3x and watch no TV? You were in Israel 3x and saw a black Jewish person only 1x? That's bizarre!

So if I write something in basic Hebrew, you should be able to translate. It'll be an image so you can't use google translate. OK?

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LOL! Why are you pretending to believe that I'm not Jewish? Your claim that I'm not Jewish and every argument you make in support of that claim is completely moronic.

I'm not currently Orthodox. I'm currently completely non-religious. Only one of my parents is Orthodox. I assure you that I have "basic knowledge" of Judaism. If by "read the Torah" in school you mean learning Chumash then the answer is that the teacher told us the English translation.

I only watched American TV channels when I watched TV in Israel. It's possible that I saw more than one black Jew in Israel during all my times there but just don't remember it. The presence of black Jews is just not something I paid close attention to when I was in Israel. Maybe I just never went to any part of Israel where there are a lot of black Jews.

If you showed me something in Hebrew then I might know the English translation off the top of my head. If there are individual words I don't know the meaning of then I could just look up the English translation of those words.

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"Only one of my parents is Orthodox."
Which parent? What was the denomination of the other?

"black Jews"
Your story is increasingly inconsistent. Lie better!

"Hebrew"
Years of Jewish schools and you can't fluently read Hebrew? Lie better!

It sounds like each parent would follow a different Kosher certification. What's the name, not symbol, for each? Under which rabbinical approval?

What was the reason your Jewish school gave you for the reason to eat only Kosher food?

Describe Jewish soup kitchens. What makes them different from ones run by Christians? The answer isn't kosher and you won't find by googling.

There are no American TV channels in Israel. Lie better!

"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive."

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I want to make something very clear to you. Every single one of your claims that I'm lying about something related to my Jewishness absolutely suck! They're terrible arguments based on nothing at all. All you're accomplishing is to expose *YOUR* ignorance about contemporary Jewish life. You're just making it up as you go along. And it's extremely offensive.

My mom is Orthodox and my dad is just not really religious at all. There is literally nothing "inconsistent" about what I've said about black Jews. Don't claim I've been inconsistent unless you can actually show how I've been inconsistent. Your claim that I'm lying about my knowledge of Hebrew is also completely ridiculous. You're just exposing your gross ignorance about American Jewish education. There are wide variations in the level of Hebrew language instruction among Jewish schools. I could have actually lied to you rather easily about my knowledge of Hebrew and claimed to be fluent and you wouldn't know any better.

Since my dad wasn't really religious he didn't follow any kosher certification. At least not when he was away from home. The ⓤ symbol stands for Orthodox Union. My school taught me to keep kosher because it was just the rules. I can't describe a Jewish soup kitchen to you because I've never been to one.

Of course there are American TV channels shown in Israel! How the hell do you think cable TV works? Israel has limited TV production and some Israeli viewers want access to the professionally made shows and movies made by Hollywood. What do you think they have on the TVs in the hotel rooms in Israel for all the American tourists? Do you really think that no foreign countries have any access to American TV channels? Here's instructions on how to watch American TV channels in Israel:

https://www.01net.com/en/vpn/watch-us-tv-israel/

WHAT THE HELL would be my reason for lying about watching American TV channels in Israel anyway? What reason could I possibly have for telling you such a falsehood if I knew it wasn’t true? What could I possibly gain from lying about such a thing? I could have just as easily told you that I never watched TV at all any of the times I was in Israel instead of telling this supposed lie if I actually knew it was a lie.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we moronically assume for no good reason that others are lying about things they don't even have a reason to lie about. I swear you’re getting dumber by the day!

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Your lying entertains me because you're so bad at it!

"Of course there are American TV channels shown in Israel!"

Quotes from your own link contradict you and confirms that you're a liar:

"Why I Can’t Access US TV in Israel?"
"Now, let’s talk about US TV in Israel and why it’s not available"

Your link is about illegally accessing U.S. shows through their websites using a VPN. That has nothing to do with cable TV or hotels.

"Israel has limited TV production and some Israeli viewers want access to the professionally made shows and movies"

How insulting! There are plenty of quality Israeli shows and movies. My main gripe is the overt racism in the "European Jews only" casting.

"There are wide variations in the level of Hebrew language instruction among Jewish schools."

Except the Chabad schools you claim to have attended prioritize Hebrew and you already stated you spent many long years there from elementary through high school.

"The ⓤ symbol stands for Orthodox Union."

So your family only ate things like cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza with the ⓤ symbol even though your father wasn't religious?

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Your lies entertain me because they're so stupid and you don't even try to prove that they're lies. You just claim that they're lies without making even the slightest attempt to prove it.

WHAT THE HELL would be my reason for lying about watching American TV channels in Israel anyway? What reason could I possibly have for telling you such a falsehood if I knew it wasn’t true? What could I possibly gain from lying about such a thing? Can you actually answer any of those questions? I could have just as easily told you that I never watched TV at all any of the times I was in Israel instead of telling this supposed lie if I actually knew it was a lie.

You haven't even tried to prove that you can't watch American TV channels in Israel. Are you claiming that you can't watch American TV channels just in Israel or in the entire world outside the U.S.? And the quotes from my link actually prove that *YOU'RE* the actual liar:

"How to Watch US TV Channels in Israel With a VPN?"
"Access US TV in Israel Easily"
"If you live in Israel or you found yourself on a vacation there, you don’t have to worry about not being to access your favorite content. As you can see, watching US TV live in Israel is simple as long as you can get a US IP address through a quality VPN like ExpressVPN."

Why are you telling such stupid lies when it's so easy to prove you wrong? And Israel has access to cable TV:

https://www.nbn.org.il/life-in-israel/community-and-housing/setting-up-your-home-in-israel-community-and-housing/phones-internet-and-tv/#:~:text=Currently%2C%20there%20are%20two%20providers,Sapak%20(Internet%20Service%20Provider).

"In addition to Israeli television programming, there are cable and satellite providers that offer packages which include a wide variety of international programming."

Did you get that? A "wide variety of international programming". Israeli hotels have cable TV:

https://holysands.com/hotels/isrotel-dead-sea/

"Every room is equipped with a TV with cable channels"

There are also Israeli versions of many American TV channels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_channels_in_Israel

Regardless of the quality of Israeli TV shows, which I don't know anything about because I've never watched them, Hollywood has a monopoly on professional entertainment and Israeli viewers, just like viewers in the rest of the world, want to watch Hollywood content.

I told you that there are wide variations in the level of Hebrew language instruction among Jewish schools and that applies just as much among Chabad schools. "Prioritize Hebrew" can mean a lot of things. The main point of the Hebrew language instruction is just to make sure that the students know some Hebrew. Even within schools there can be such variations. I never had Hebrew language class at school more than 2 days a week. But the girls in high school at my school had it 4 days a week. That was probably because many of them went to seminary in Israel so they had a greater practical need to know Hebrew.

Cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza by definition are not kosher so there's no cheeseburgers or pepperoni pizza with the ⓤ symbol. My dad not being religious meant he never kept kosher when he was by himself away from home. He ate non-kosher food at work every day.

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You can't keep your many, many lies straight!

"Of course there are American TV channels shown in Israel!"
"How the hell do you think cable TV works?"
"What do you think they have on the TVs in the hotel rooms in Israel for all the American tourists?"
"Do you really think that no foreign countries have any access to American TV channels?"

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"Why I Can’t Access US TV in Israel?"
"Now, let’s talk about US TV in Israel and why it’s not available"
https://www.01net.com/en/vpn/watch-us-tv-israel/

The irony is you proved yourself a liar with your own link!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!

"Regardless of the quality of Israeli TV shows, which I don't know anything about because I've never watched them,"

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"The only Israeli TV show I ever watched was the Israeli version of Sesame Street"

It's obvious that you've never been to Israel or any foreign country! It's also obvious that you're tech illiterate since you are confused by cable, VPNs and the internet.

"Cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza by definition are not kosher"

WRONG AGAIN!

https://impossiblefoods.com/media/news-releases/2018/05/kosher-certification

https://yvesveggie.com/en/products/deli-slices/pepperoni/

kosher pepperoni pizza:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/vegan-cheese-perches-on-dough-in-a-pepperoni-pizza-for-kosher-consumers/

kosher cheeseburger:
https://www.tiktok.com/@miriamezagui/video/7163390439775833390

“Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive "

You're not Jewish. You've never been to Israel nor any foreign country. You've never been in a hotel room because you never traveled. Your family isn't Orthodox/not Orthodox/not religious/religious/ formerly Orthodox/newly Orthodox/sometimes Orthodox-sometimes not

Your lies are an insult to every Orthodox Jewish person who takes their beliefs seriously.

“Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"

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WHAT THE HELL reason would I even have to lie to you about watching American TV channels in Israel?! All I know is that I watched American TV channels every time I was in Israel. I didn't imagine that. I don't pretend to be tech savvy. All I know for sure is that I've watched American TV channels in Israel.

*YOU'RE* the liar! I showed you other quotes from the same webpage that proved it was explaining how to watch American TV in Israel. The very title of the webpage is "HOW TO WATCH AMERICAN TV CHANNELS IN ISRAEL IN 2023". The webpage explains how to watch American TV channels in Israel. Most of the time I spent watching TV in Israel was at hotels. My links proved that those hotels have cable TV with American channels. The Israeli cable service HOT has American TV channels:

https://anglo-list.com/english-list-hot-television-channels/

When I said that I don't know anything about the quality of Israeli TV shows because I've never watched them, I was referring to the fact that I don't *CURRENTLY* watch them. It's been *DECADES* since I watched Israeli Sesame Street. I only watched that at school. I've never watched a single Israeli TV show at home. I've never watched a single Israeli TV show meant for adults. The only Israeli TV programming I've ever watched was content specifically made for little kids.

*Actual* cheeseburgers are not kosher by definition because they combine meat and dairy. The TikTok video you showed me is NOT of a real cheeseburger! The note under the video says that it's "real meat fake cheese". Got that? *FAKE* cheese. So it's not really a cheeseburger. I said that pepperoni pizza by definition is not kosher because I had always been under the impression that all pepperoni was made from pork. I didn't know there was such a thing as pepperoni made without pork. My ignorance about the fact that there’s different kinds of pepperoni doesn’t come anywhere close to proving that I’m lying about anything.

You've completely failed to prove that I've lied about any of these issues. I know you don't actually believe that I'm lying about being Jewish. Everything you're saying here is just amateur sophistry. You're only saying all this crap because you're a mean disgusting troll. You're an absolute pig.

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Repeating your ignorant lies don't turn them into facts. You're not Jewish. Stop pretending you are to somehow justify your Islamophobic comments.

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I'm well aware that you've been lying this entire time about not believing that I'm Jewish. I'm well aware you do this as a form of trolling. You know damn well that the extensive details I've provided about my life as a Jew clearly indicate that I'm Jewish. You can't hide that knowledge. All your arguments to the contrary are just pure sophistry meant to try to hide that knowledge. Lying about everything just makes you so transparent. Don't you realize how hard it is to ever appear honest about anything when you just lie about everything?

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1. "Sure my husband beats me, but he brings home good money".

2. The US, Canada and European Union have considered them that.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas#:~:text=The United States and European,suicide bombings and rocket attacks.

3. Assuming it's their land. Israel existed centuries before Palestine.

4. And it wasn't Palestine's to take. Israel is the only Jewish country in the World. They are surrounded by Muslim countries, do you really believe Israel is going to start something when they are greatly outnumbered? There are only 16 million Jews in the world compared to 1.2 billion Muslims. Are you really going to take the side of a religion that still criminalizes homosexuality?

5. Hamas and the PLO do. Hamas is their government. As Palestine has backing of over 1.2 billion Muslims. Why do you think people are so impressed with the turnout of pro-Palestine at protests. It's simply Muslims supporting Muslims. They are guaranteed to outnumber Jews.

6. Again, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the PLO and Hamas are all Islamic terrorist organizations. Look at what they do to other countries. I can't name a single Israeli terrorist group and even if one does exist, are they even doing anything close to Islamic terrorist do? Here's something to think about: when you hear about a terrorist attack in the US, have you ever once heard someone say, "it's probably a Jew that did it?"

7. I don't like liberals or conservatives. I'm just not going to take the side of a "country" that elected terrorists, celebrated the terrorist attack, and then accuse a religion that was once a victim of genocide of committing genocide themselves.

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Don't defend genocide. Not a good look.

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As I said, 1.2 billion Muslims (22 majority Muslim countries) and 16 million Jews (the only majority Jewish country). Hamas, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, PLO and Hezbollah are all militant Islamic organizations. Palestine was never a country. I can't think of any Jewish terrorist organization. Israel existed centuries before the formation of Palestine. I have no problem with Muslims, but to accuse Jews of committing genocide when Jews were victims of an actual genocide attempt and for Muslims have to multiple terrorist organizations that have spanned decades, I know where my allegiance aligns.

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750,000 Palestinians were ethnic cleansed from Palestine. Your denial doesn't change history.

You repeatedly associate and equate ALL Muslims and ALL terrorists with Palestinians which is extremely Islamophobic. It's over-generalization and stereotyping.

You're also in denial about the many atrocities in which the Israeli government have and are conducting against Palestinian civilians.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

You're biased against Muslims. You're fine with ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians. Justifying it isn't a good look. Your denial doesn't change anything.

"I can't think of any Jewish terrorist organization."
I easily can. You don't know history nor recent current events in Israel.

"I know where my allegiance aligns"
It's not a ballgame like you suggest. One religious group is worth life and the other death. Hitler thought the same.

Both Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives and human rights are equally important to me.

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You repeatedly associate and equate ALL Muslims and ALL terrorists with Palestinians which is extremely Islamophobic. It's over-generalization and stereotyping.

I specifically mentioned 2 Palestinian organizations. They're no different than the other Islamic terrorist organizations in other countries. Why would Palestine be any different? Israel is a minority within the Middle East and yet there are so many terrorist organizations. Why?

"I can't think of any Jewish terrorist organization."
I easily can. You don't know history nor recent current events in Israel.

I didn't say they didn't exist, I said I can't name them. You said it's easy, so name them.

It's not a ballgame like you suggest. One religious group is worth life and the other death. Hitler thought the same.

And guess who Hitler went after.

Both Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives and human rights are equally important to me.

According to you, one is ethnic cleansing, the other is justified because they're allegedly being oppressed.

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HAGANAH, THE IRGUN AWAI LEUMI, AND THE LOHAMEI HERUT:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/jewish-zionist-terrorism-and-establishment-israel

JDL
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/jewish-defense-league

Numerous far-right extremist Jewish settler groups who target and kill Palestinians. This terrorism is state-sponsored.:
https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence

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You're the only one denying genocide and the rights of one group based on your bigotry. You're no different from Hitler. Just a different religious group that you hate and want killed.

How Israel Helped Create Hamas
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/6546ae9f3f83833842663705/How-Israel-Helped-Create-Hamas

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Are you admitting that Israel created and supported a terrorist organization?

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"to accuse Jews of committing genocide"

Netanyahu recently called for genocide in his Amalek speech.

"The word in contemporary parlance for what the ancient text commands is “genocide.”"
https://jweekly.com/2023/11/02/comparing-hamas-to-amalek-our-biblical-nemesis-will-ultimately-hurt-israel/

""The biblical reference to Amalek is genocidal," noted one theologian after the prime minister invoked an ancient enemy. "The Bible commands to wipe out Amalek, including women, babies, children, and animals.""
https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-genocide

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"Entire Planet Will Be Under Our Law, Warns Hamas Commander Mahmoud Al-Zahar"

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-netanyahu-palestine-arab-support-entire-planet-will-be-under-our-law-warns-hamas-commander-mahmoud-al-zahar-4473139

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Then, Israel shouldn't have created them and Netanyahu shouldn't have supported them.

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Then Palestine shouldn't have taken land that wasn't theirs. But it's still an excuse to say Israel shouldn't have created them.

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You support white Europeans who ethnic cleansed 750,000 Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews from their homeland. And now you support genocide. Typical entitlement. Typical colonialist mentality.

European Jews should've been given half of Germany to make amends for the Holocaust. Not too late.

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You support kicking Jews out of a country that the UN said should stay after they were victims of genocide.

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Palestine had nothing to do with the Holocaust nor the centuries of Jewish persecution by Europeans. Germany needs to make amends to the Jewish families they slaughtered.

"Israelis: Did you know that Jews were safer under Islam than in Europe?"
https://youtu.be/Klfip2scUIs?si=DJzbGkbCU72u8MQl

Palestine didn't belong to Britain nor the UN, therefore it wasn't their land to give away to anyone.

It's obvious that Europeans can't get along with their new neighbors in Palestine. If they fear for their safety in the Middle East, then they should return to Europe or other Western countries where they'll feel safer. Or live in Palestine where Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims were able to live peacefully for centuries.

European Jews treat Palestinian and other Middle Eastern Jews like garbage, also. They forced them to move to less desirable areas of Israel and still deny black Jews an equal opportunity to immigrate.

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Palestine had nothing to do with the Holocaust nor the centuries of Jewish persecution by Europeans.

I'm aware.
Germany needs to make amends to the Jewish families they slaughtered.

Depends what it is. Not if it affects the citizens now because they had nothing to do with it.
"Israelis: Did you know that Jews were safer under Islam than in Europe?"

I've seen the video before. But are Jews safe now there? Hell, why don't you ask someone gay if they feel comfortable in Palestine or any other Islamic country.
European Jews treat Palestinian and other Middle Eastern Jews like garbage, also.

You've pretty much described every country and religion.

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You defend genocide pretty much every day on this message board.

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Yadda, yadda, yadda, with your non-stop "ethnic cleansing" bullshit! This is what it really looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrAv3Zc7gU

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That is not ethnic cleansing. That's moving people to save them from being attacked. You simply hate Jews why don't you just admit it?

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Semantic Game played by you.

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Hitler tried to move people to save them feom being attacked. It didnt go well

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His worlds and illogic on all his other comments and ideas prove it every day.

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Passionately on the side of evil and wrong again K.

When Israel declared statehood, immediately after, all the ancient Arab states as far away as Morocco went to war to destroy Israel. A war the Arab states lost in a humiliating defeat.

The Arab states' solution was to refuse to accept the Arab refugees, and to trap them inside Israel with the premeditated understanding that their futures would be miserable & meaningless and they would be there forever to plaque Israel.

Essentially these Arab states played and sacrificed the entire "Palestinian" population far into the future to be their re-conquest spearhead; first against Israel and the Jews, but then against the entire West in order to create the gulf between them and the West to keep their own societies in line and naive about the modern world.

They sent money and arms to Palestinian leaders corrupting them not to govern but to be terrorist generals of a barbaric 10th century religious cause, that has no place in the modern world, and deploy their citizens' lives as they saw fit.

It's all played out from there over time.

The history and evidence all fit. For example, in all the subsequent peace talks Palestinians show up, even get all their demands met and get Israel's and everyone's hopes up across the world, and then they just walk out, or do not come back. Check it, it's true.

The root cause of the abuses of the Palestinian has all along been the dehumanizing result of eternal war and cold-bloodedness of the Arab States who have kept them imprisoned while modernity has progressed far beyond in the outside world, and old Arab leaders are still stuck on this ancient blood lust for conquest and hate.

Essentially the world has a lied-to, traumatized, broken population in need of help from the whole world who needs to understand. They just cannot be cured or helped inside of or as part of Israel.

This is not ethnic-cleansing or hate on the side of Israel, and you know it in your heart.

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Your history about the region is uninformed and incomplete. You are starting from the middle instead of the beginning.

"This is not ethnic-cleansing"

750,000 Palestinians were forced out of Palestine in 1940s and 500 of their villages destroyed. That is ethnic cleansing. This video gives a great neutral history lesson about what happened from the beginning. It also explains why Arab countries went to war. I hope you watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVgjS98OsU

The land wasn't Britain's nor the UN to give away.

Palestine didn't cause the Holocaust. That was Germany. Nor did the Palestinians cause centuries of pograms, discrimination, persecution and forced conversions of the Jewish people. That was Europe.

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> Your history about the region is uninformed and incomplete.

Untrue, it is condensed to the barest relevant facts and their consequences.

Before the states of israel is irrelevant and everyone on both sides argues about it and never agree about the history or when to start or what happened. Best place to put this in perspective is when Israel was created and the Palestinians magically appeared.

>750,000 Palestinians were forced out of Palestine in 1940s and 500 of their villages destroyed.

That is not right. First, there was no Palestine. Second many of them stayed and became israeli citizens, and many were ordered out by the invading Arab states.

Don't argue by video, if you have a point or fact that is not a lie, just say it.

> The land wasn't Britain's nor the UN to give away.

The land was formerly pat of the Ottoman Empire. They went to the UN to solve the problem.

Besides you always use the UN Resolutions to try to prove some point or another until you disagree with it.

> nor did the Palestinians cause centuries of pograms, discrimination, persecution

First, who mentioned Europe and the Holocaust. You.

It is definitely not true that there were not pograms against Jews in the ME going back well into the 1800s. Look at the Muslim societies even today and how openly antagonistic and militant to other peoples they are. There are plenty of records of Palestinian pograms against the Jews - another reason they left when the Jews became powerful enough to defend themselves militarily.

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Your history about the region is uninformed and incomplete. You are starting from the middle instead of the beginning.

"This is not ethnic-cleansing"

750,000 Palestinians were forced out of Palestine in 1940s and 500 of their villages destroyed. That is ethnic cleansing. This video gives a great neutral history lesson about what happened from the beginning. It also explains why Arab countries went to war. I hope you watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVgjS98OsU

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You dumbass ... " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

How far back do you have to go to try to prove your non-existent point?

IF you are so against ethnic cleansing how is it you do not see what the Arab / Islamic states have tried to do for 80 years and previous is ethnically cleanse Jews and Christians from what they think are their god-given lands.

If the video that I would not waste time on supports your BS opinions is can hardly be neutral.

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You're close-minded and don't know history.

750,000 Palestinians were forced out of Palestine in 1940s and 500 of their villages destroyed. That is ethnic cleansing. This video gives a great neutral history lesson about what happened from the beginning. It also explains why Arab countries went to war. I hope you watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVgjS98OsU

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You don't care about ethnic cleansing.

Even if you are ignorant of the truth, the fact that you speak out so viciously about something you have not researched with an open mind and have no idea about reveals all that needs be known about you. Not that you have not done the same thing far as long as you have been here. You should go out and get some life experience before you pretend expertise.

UN Watch: "Algeria, where are your Jews?" — Hillel Neuer silences the U.N.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eEljsSQfc&t=172s

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Hillel Neuer is a moron who was not taught true history or he wouldn't ask a stupid question. Israelis are not taught the truth about Palestine in their schools.

You're a few hours late. I already had this discussion with another poster:

In 1945, there were approximately 866,000 Jews living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 10,000. In many Arab states, once thriving Jewish communities have all but disappeared. According to official statistics, 856,000 Jews, persecuted and under duress, were exiled from their homes in Arab countries between 1948 and the early 1970s leaving behind substantial property and other assets.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/focus-areas/jews-from-arab-lands

Jews were kicked out of Middle Eastern countries AFTER Israel destabilized the region. Look at the dates. They were exiled AFTER Israel was established as retaliation. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees fled to border countries which angered their leaders and started the wars.

Europeans thought they could get away with stealing land from Palestinians. Arabs fought back.

You don't know history and wallow in your own ignorance.

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You just keep repeating the same lies.

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Keelai,

If Hillel Neuer is a moron what does that make you? You have absolutely no right to be insulting anyone else's intelligence.

The Palestinians fled their homes in the midst of a war that started before Israel even declared independence. They fled their homes in the midst of a war fought by the Arabs to drive Israeli Jews into the sea.

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries didn't happen all at once. It took place over several decades. Were these Arab countries "destabilized" for several decades? The Arab countries were fully capable of maintaining their Jewish populations if they wanted to. They only got rid of their Jews out of pure hatred. "Angered" leaders does not equate to destabilization.

If you excuse the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries that comes at the price of delegitimizing anti-zionism. It comes at the price of delegitimizing the efforts of those countries to destroy Israel. Those expelled Jews needed a place to go and Israel provided one. Once you decide that Arab countries have a right to expel Jews you've automatically legitimized the existence of a Jewish state in their midst, even if it also commits ethnic cleansing. That's how fairness and equality work.

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You're repeating the same misinformation. It's boring. Troll someone else.

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I'm not repeating any misinformation. That's what you do. If you really believed anything I said here was misinformation then you would actually take the time and effort to prove it. But you don't because you know that I'm right about all of this and you're just too much of a giant baby to admit it.

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You're still wrong.

In 1945, there were approximately 866,000 Jews living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 10,000. In many Arab states, once thriving Jewish communities have all but disappeared. According to official statistics, 856,000 Jews, persecuted and under duress, were exiled from their homes in Arab countries between 1948 and the early 1970s leaving behind substantial property and other assets.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/focus-areas/jews-from-arab-lands

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Your problem is you're too stupid to even know how to begin to prove anyone else wrong about anything. That paragraph you copy-pasted here doesn't actually prove me wrong about anything. Can you actually make an *argument* to *explain* how I'm wrong?

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