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Why not just take Grogu to Luke?

posted 3 years ago by Volley (3368)
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Luke Skywalker, hero of the Battle of Yavin and the destruction of the first Death Star, and likely well known regarding the Battle of Endor which ended the Empire, should be well known throughout the galaxy either way, is training Jedi at this point, and is linked to the New Republic leadership.

It is only 5 years since the Battle of Endor and the destruction of Death Star II and the end of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader.

Why wouldn't Ahsoka Tano mention Luke to Mando at all? She would have been so dazzled to find another member of Yoda's species alive, that she probably would have gone with Mando and Grogu to see Luke Skywalker.

My goodness, Luke is a Jedi Master, trained by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, he would be the person to see regarding Grogu.

[–] johnmiller (3357) 3 years ago

That would make sense. But, I don't think they have the budget for Mark Hamill, and de-aging him for the show.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

You have a point about the de-aging - it would look entirely unbelievable - but I don't think Hamill is above this show. He's not exactly a star. His career never really took off outside of Star Wars. He was doing almost just voice work for a while.

[–] overseas7 (3524) 3 years ago

Mark Hamill is in the Star Wars universe an icon.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

And?

[–] naDaht (1087) 3 years ago

For which he is highly acclaimed.

[–] ExTechOp (2749) 3 years ago

That's like saying Einstein's career never took off outside the patent office

Hamill's well respected for the work he's chosen to do

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Hamill is no Einstein. Love the guy, but the sequels a re the best thing to happen to him since the OT.

[–] ridah (273) 3 years ago

That's a huge incorrect assumption on your part ("would look entirely unbelievable"). Michael Douglass was older than Mark Hamill when Ant Man came out (2015) and his de-aging was ENTIRELY believable...

https://youtu.be/uaz6nxyQA28

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/451824_1.jpg

[–] johnmiller (3357) 3 years ago

That was in a theatrical release. These things also take time. And, when you are getting around seven hours of programming out per year, the effects team is already pretty busy! The de-aging is hyper intensive. If a lab like WETA, who has done previous de-aging, would be willing to work on the effects at a TV show rate, it could be done.

[–] ridah (273) 3 years ago

Nope, they still did it and didn't need WETA. Used ILM...ya'll are probably tired from jumping to so many wrong conclusions =|

[–] johnmiller (3357) 3 years ago

Ha! I love how easily injured you all are. But, no, it didn't look that great. Definitely TV-level de-aging. It was like they just took Luke from "Return" and animated his face to fit the dialogue. It didn't work for me.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

That looks "ok" imo. Better than Tarkin, Luke, or Leia in the movies, but still not believable. De-aging does not look good.

[–] johnmiller (3357) 3 years ago

De-aging will become normal at some point, and AI will be preforming it, and cost much less. But, right now, that isn't the case.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Nah.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I don’t think budget is an issue....

[–] TheArgentinian (6445) 3 years ago

right? like Disney is strapping for cash

[–] g-bone (532) 3 years ago

Unless they just use his voice with a darkened figure?

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 3 years ago

I mean Mark Hamill has made guest appearances on tv shows, he was on What We Do In The Shadows for an episode, i'm pretty sure they could get him on this huge show thats the best Star Wars content they've made in years.

Dude even does commercials, he's not exactly some hard to get actor who you'd have to pay millions to get for an appearance.

[–] chrisjdel (2714) 3 years ago

You're assuming Ahsoka Tano knows who Luke is. She certainly knows his old man but she never came in from the cold after the Empire fell, remaining in the Outer Rim rather than going back to whatever might be left of the Jedi temple. Hey, maybe we'll see Luke guest star at some point. The show could afford decent CGI de-aging if his scenes were brief.

[–] Nate Adams SA23 (896) 3 years ago

I’m hoping they recast a young Luke rather. That shouldn’t be too hard.

[–] chrisjdel (2714) 3 years ago

If they were going to have him on the show for any length of time, especially in brightly lit scenes where he's moving around a lot, they'd need to recast him. De-aging would be expensive and not look entirely real. I suppose they could find a young actor who's a virtual double and make some slight digital modifications so the resemblance becomes exact. That might work.

I get the feeling that the producers prefer to keep this show mostly separate from the Skywalker storyline though. We're more likely to see one of Luke's new acolytes than Luke himself.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Mando didn't even know what a Jedi was until recently, he's never heard of Luke.

I know "it's all canon" (eye roll), but it's pretty much impossible to rectify some of these glaring plot issues. For starters, Hamill it too old to appear in this show. Ahsoka didn't exist in the OT and there's no logical explanation for why she sat on her hands for 30-40 years. People love to praise Filoni - and I do enjoy this show - but its become nothing more than a platform for him to expand on his own little universe. That's fine and everything, but it's just riddled with "Well, where is so and so" or "Why didn't ____ do _____." Because none of these characters existed before a few years ago.

The universe is also really fucking big. Luke's existence is a legend by the time of the sequels.

[–] chrisjdel (2714) 3 years ago

Actually I believe Ahsoka appeared briefly in Revenge of the Sith, being ambushed in an alien forest. I'm too lazy to stream the movie just to check on that. At the very least one of her species was among the Jedi shown at the end. We didn't actually see her die so presumably (like Yoda) she managed to survive the Emperor's purge and went underground. Why she stayed away from the New Republic after the Empire fell we don't know. Other Jedi seem to have done the same thing though.

[–] ExTechOp (2749) 3 years ago

Aayla Secura, a Twi'lek tentacle-head lady, was ambushed in the forest.

This show is the first to give us a live-action Ahsoka - in fact, the concept art during the credits has her looking less like Rosario Dawson and more like Ashley Eckstein, the voice of animated Ahsoka

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I don't think she was, but even if she was, it doesn't mean she knew who Luke was or explains why Ahsoka sat on her hands during the OT. It was cool seeing her and a good episode, but Filoni shoving this stuff in just creates discrepancies.

[–] StinkyPoopyPants (2695) 3 years ago

Not trying to be rude but why can't people just enjoy the show for what it is and forget about all the other movies, characters and plots? It's a fantastic show just the way it is.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I don't think it's a big deal people are asking for quality and consistency.

[–] papamihel (1576) 3 years ago

These Outer Rim yokels are not very clued up when it comes to what's happening out there in the core worlds.

[–] overseas7 (3524) 3 years ago

That would make sense.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 3 years ago

The Battle of Yavin didn't cause any change in the Outer Rim so Luke's name probably didn't make it that far even though he came from there.

The Battle of Endor changed the galaxy but Luke's role in it was likely overshadowed by Lando, Han and Leia.

Chances are Ahsoka has no idea where Luke is and wouldn't even know how to find him. It would make more sense for her to lead Mando to Ezra.

[–] necramonium (219) 3 years ago

Even Jabba The Hutt didn't even know who Luke was in Return Of The Jedi. And he led a crime empire in the Outer Ring world of Tatooine.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 3 years ago

Grogu being delivered to Luke Skywalker would make the perfect ending in my opinion, just save a Luke cameo for the final episode, that’s how I hope it ends anyways.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Where is he during the sequels then? It really doesn't make sense for the kid to be put into the main storyline/universe. It just creates holes and inconsistencies.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 3 years ago

I don't care about the sequels, they make little sense.

[–] asom (6509) 3 years ago

He was killed by Kylo Ren ...

[–] tonganprince (565) 3 years ago

Not yet, in this timeline.

[–] asom (6509) 3 years ago

Not yet, but that could be the reason he is not in the sequels, if he is handed to Luke for training.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

There's a prequel comic for Ren. 4 issues. It tells the story of when Ren first turned. There's only like 4 students left in Luke's school and Baby Yoda ain't one of them.

And when you look at the massacre, not of them really look like Yoda's species: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/5e/Jedi_massacre_TLJ.png/revision/latest?cb=20180806000935