What's an incel?
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From Wikipedia:
"Incels, a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates", are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom.
Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy self-pity,self-loathing, misogyny, racism,a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people. The American nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is included in their list of hate groups.
Estimates of the overall size of the community vary greatly. They are considered mostly male and heterosexual, but sources disagree on the subject of ethnic makeup."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
A man of any race can be involuntary celibate.
shareWondered, too.
shareIt's a derogatory term for white males that oppose Diversity and Feminism.
We could say that it's the mirror image of 'libtard'. The term 'libtard' labels/insults leftists as 'retarded', even though they use to have higher education (at least, the white ones). On the opposite side, 'incel' labels/insults anti-diversity white males as 'celibes', even though they use to be more masculine and successful among women.
Every race has incels.
shareYeap, of course, every race has virgins, and every political side has virgin, the same than every political side has retarded people. The term is just an insult. It's like saying 'libtard'.
The sad thing is that the term is used by mainstream media, something that shows the hard decline of modern journalism. Do you imagine Fox headlining something like these ones?:
'US police warns about possible libtard assaults'
'Black Panther' burglary threat inspires legitimate concerns over libtards'
'Libtard violence is horrific'
And however, those headlines, using 'incel' and 'shooting', are real headlines in mainstream media right now. This shows how LOW journalism lies right now.
An Incel is an angry white virgin male in this twenties (sometimes early 30s) who says, "I want to get laid so bad but I'm such a socially awkward, creepy dork that all the women keep turning me down for sex. Instead of working on my personality and appearance to attract them, I'd rather see women as evil shallow c*nts with exceptionally high standards who have forced me into a life of celibacy against my will (hence, the origins of the term, Incel, as in INvoluntary CElibate)."
This is an offshoot of the so-called MRA (Men's Right's Movement)/MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way)/#gamergate/Red Pill subcultures created by insecure needle dicks ranting about how all women are bitches and need to be raped, beaten, etc. for "shoving feminism down their throats."
People have been trying to pretend that this is all a lark, but some members of these subcultures have committed acts of violence. For example, an Incel in Canada plowed his car into a bunch of people: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/toronto-incel-van-attack/558977/.
Sorry, but race has nothing to do with incels. Doing so only makes you a racist.
shareIt has everything to do with race. Incels are predominantly young white male in their 20s and 30s, and it's an expression of a larger toxicity developing among that demographic right now.
By the way, why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't be calling me a racist if I also pointed out the rampant misogyny in rap music or in the Muslim world? It's always funny to me when people suddenly get upset when you point out that there are specific demographics within their community that are responsible for a toxic subculture or a way of thinking but not when you single out blacks, Jews, Muslims or hispanics.
Many Incels are Asian like their Saint, Eliot Roger, and the Incel who drove the truck down the street in Toronto. Roger was as much an Asian as Barack Obama is a black man. The Incel who threw a little boy off a mall balcony because women in the mall would not go out with him is black. The news tries to tell us they are all white to add to anti-white feelings like the ones Atomicgirl already has.
shareit's just another lazy label that most slurp up without thinking too much
shareTrue. In South Korea there is something similar to the Incel movement. One of those dudes stabbed a random woman coming out of a restroom because he hated women.
shareJust admit you hate white people. Why hide it?
Embrace your racism.
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To clarify something: Anyone, of any age or sex, of any degree of health or physical ability, and of any race or ethnicity, can find themselves in the position of involuntary celibacy. Most people in this situation get on with their lives, they cope by becoming workaholics, or acquiring cats and "Outlander" DVDs, or internet porn, or just by becoming closer to friends and family. Because most people are sane enough to understand that life and other people aren't always what we hope for.
"The Incels" are a tiny subset of people who are suffering from involuntary celibacy, they're the ones who've created a toxic echo-chamber subculture on the internet, and who are suspected of egging each other to violence. Frankly I'm a lot more worried about genuine terror groups from various ends of the political spectrum, but if the online Incels really are telling each other to attack women who won't have sex with them or commit mass shootings, then law enforcement really ought to be keeping an eye on them.
"The Incels" are a tiny subset of people who are suffering from involuntary celibacy, they're the ones who've created a toxic echo-chamber subculture on the internet
There's toxic people in the right, in the alt-right, in the modern left, in the classic left. There's toxic people on internet and out of internet. There's toxic people who are loners, there's toxic people who are successful with women.
I haven't seen any data showing that toxic people on internet are more likely to be loners than non-toxic people on internet (or in general, for what matters).
The 'incel' term is an insult, and what's more: it's the media trying to link some political group to some derogatory image, in a very similar way to the old jew caricature.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/617/jew_basic.jpg
The 'incel' term is the modern version of that 'usurer jew' image. This time, white males that oppose Diversity and Feminism are the ones to be demonized.
Indeed, mainstream media are following the path of good old Nazi press. share
You seem to be quite full of shit
shareEvery generation has your hapless socially awkard young men who tend to strike out with women. So why the new term?
I believe that standard use of internet dating sites to find a partner and inadvertantly the 'metoo' movement have help create the rage that these young men can feel, and help coin the new word.
I read recently that your average female deems only 6 percent of online male profiles as 'dateable' where as your average man casts a wider net, 60 percent 'dateable'. The CEO of a major one says that some unfortunate 5 percent of males NEVER get chosen.
This along with the metoo movement that can make seem like making forward moves on a woman could be risky behavior, leaves many of the incels befuttled on how to attract a mate, so they vent their anger and frustration online, which they find other like minded men to feed into their anger which can easily turn into hate.
The problem is that argument is based in a wrong framework: it supposes that people that oppose Feminism/Diversity are a bunch of single white males in a basement. And NOPE.
Just think about it: who are the one who are more harmed by feminism?
Is it the guy in the basement that can't get laid? Or is it the guy that actually gets laid but he can see his life destroyed because the following day the girl regrets the shag and decides to accuse him? Or is it the guy who is married and can lose his house, his children and having to pay alimony?
You're not likely to be accused of rape by a girl that decided the following day that she didn't wanted it enough after all... if you didn't get laid in first place.
You're not likely to have to leave your house and your children and pay alimony for years... if you couldn't get married in first place.
Well, most men still want a family.
I don't know how old you are, but back in the day we used to go to bars get drunk and hit on women. Even ugly guys had a chance. Now most of the sexual selection for 'hookups' or something more serious is happening through dating apps. The changes for society can be profound.
Just like ordering through 'grub hub' women can be choosey picking a guy and do it with ease. This 'ease of choice' for women is new. Generations before women were limited to people in their social circle, local bar or church. Now they have access to hundreds of thousands of men. Not suprisingly tall, dark and handsome with a good job tends to get the hits.
If this service were available back in the 1960's 5' 3"Charlie Manson(could you imagine his profile page btw) would have never have had a cult.
Back in the day, they were called "losers".
shareYeap. But there's a difference: back in the day the media didn't use the word, much less tried to link it to some political or ethnic group*.
Do you imagine that the word 'rapist' would have been use to designate black people, and that would have been done by the mainstream press? Not even in the XIXth century.
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*Not to say, as I said before, I haven't seen any data showing that relation. If something, people who actually get laid are the more likely to oppose Feminism, since they're much more likely to be falsely accused of rape or got ripped off after a divorce.
But the thing is. These guys gave themselve the label "incels". Like it would garner sympathy and justify their attiutdes.
But you've got some people counterfactually claiming that the media gave them that label and equating it to nazism.
"They gave themselves"??? LOL
I never heard of that word until it started to be used by SJW and leftist media to insult white males that criticized feminism, massive immigration or diversity politics.
Not my fault you're ignorant of its origins and made your own version of events up to suit your paranoid agenda.
shareWhich is ridiculous because the original incel subreddit were men of all races. Making it only white men is just racist in of itself.
Clown world.
There could have been some obscure subreddit forum about people who couldn't shag (I never heard of it before, but hey, there's hundreds of subreddits).
Anyway, that subreddit isn't related with the modern use of the term. Right now, it's a derogatory term used to label and insult white males that oppose diversity, massive immigration or feminism.
But that's literally a lie. My god the media wants us all to kill each other.
r/incel, r/incels, and r/braincels absolutely were not obscure subreddits. They've all had the banhammer. Obscure subreddits do not have anti-subs dedicated to hating them. In fact, r/inceltears remains open for business.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/
That doesn't mean anything. SJW media and forums use to focus in obscure groups or characters because they're politically useful. That happens with this term, 'incel', that was an obscure group of losers and that suddenly became politically useful when SJW media decided to link them with a political position.
That happened with that guy, Richard Spencer. SJW mainstream media tried to make him some kind of political leader in the alt-right. I use to follow media from different political sides, and I never heard of him until he started to appear massively in SJW mainstream media.
Another example: the KKK is almost extinguished right now. In 2016, there were 3 times more journalists writing about the KKK than actual members of the KKK. Nobody cared about them anymore... except SJW mainstream media. Why? it was politically useful.
As a rule of thumb, if the group A tries to pin some element X as something supposedly important in the group B... but every bloody reference comes from media or forums belonging to the group A, well, that's a clue.
These guys fashioned themselves as victims and martyrs with a beef against women and society in general, exactly like you are doing, and they label themselves incels. Too bad if people with the same agenda all get stuck with the label that some chose but some would rather not have because people think they are ridiculous. Just too bad. Claiming that it's a racist label made up by "SJWS" doesn't help. Just makes you look worse.
It also makes it look even worse if you invent an SJW media using the term. I've only heard the term in the media referring to the groups who call themselves incels. Maybe ordinary folk on social media with a sense of humour use it to describe every loser with the same beef whether they use the term themselves or not. But that's too bad. It's no different than you calling everyone who doesn't share your attitdes an SJW.
These guys fashioned themselves as victims and martyrs with a beef against women and society in general, exactly like you are doing, and they label themselves incels.
That's a lie.
As usual, you assign to me words I haven't said. Usual SJW pattern.
The quarrel is with SJWs aka Modern Left aka Church of Diversity aka Cultural Marxists (even though I think it has no relation with Marxism, or with classic liberalism for what matters). The quarrel is with this neo-religion, with this neo-cult. Women can get a short term benefit, but eventually they'll become casualties too. It's already happening. The index of happiness of women is sinking down.
When it comes to toxic religions, at the end of the day everybody loses.
By the way, that should be already be clear in another thread where you (again, sigh) assigned to me words I hadn't said. I remind you. You told me: "So you're going to imply that white males have got it as bad as the jews did under the nazis.". And I answered you:
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I remind you my answer to what you said:
That's not what I said. If you ask, though, I'd say that the condition of white males is similar to the historical condition of Jews in Muslim countries.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries
• A Muslim could touch the wife of a Jew. For a Jew, it was a crime to touch the wife a Muslim.
• Islam could be publicly spread or supported. Judaism couldn't.
• In a conflict in court between a Muslim and a Jew, the word of the Muslim could be considered as evidence. However, the word of the Jew was dismissed.
• Jews were subject to a systematic transfer of wealth to Muslims, called 'jizya'.
• Jews were socially portrayed as despisable.
It can be applied to white males in modern day.
• A Woman can touch a White Male. For a White Male, it can be considered a crime to touch a Woman.
• Diversity and Feminism can be publicly spread or supported. Classic western ideas are persecuted or censored.
• In a conflict in court between a Woman and a White Male, the word of the Woman can be considered as evidence. However, the word of the White Male is dismissed.
• White Males are subject to a systematic transfer of wealth to Non-White-Males.
• White Males are socially portrayed as despisable.
As you can see, at no time do I hold women responsible. I hold responsible people like you: SJWs, members of the new Church of Diversity, men or women, that's irrelevant.
But you keep assigning to me words I haven't said. As usual.
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I didn't assign you words (whatever that even means). I just pointed out that you're triggered, a lot. And it tends to be by women.
Reading between the lines, you're paranoid and delusional.