Are all mermaids white or . . .is it because the animated movie had a white woman? Why does it matter to anybody that they hired an actress with dark complexion? It seems so absurd to me to be upset about that.
This woman is not attractive and has a facial deformity, on top of that she is a African female. The vast majority of men on this planet, including black men do not think black women are attractive.
Casting regular or below average women in lead roles is woke
That's an interesting fact.
But I've seen it presented like "it's racist".
"Look at this, black women are the least selected in the dating apps. Because men are still VERY RACIST".
How is that NOT racist? Are you blind?
shareHow can you force someone to be attracted to X or Y?
You will "educate" men to find someone attractive? lol...
Next you'll put someone in court for swiping yes to a blond girl with fair skin and swiping no to a black girl.
Woooooshhh
Totally missed the point. Racism is prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. It has nothing to do with forcing someone to be attracted to another race. It simply IS racism to have prejudice towards people based on their race.
I don't know how else to explain it. It's not right or wrong, it's racism. That's just a fact.
The presumption that women of color aren't getting chosen because the men are racist, is in fact racist. You've formed an opinion based on a person's skin color rather than any facts to support your belief. This is also known as bigotry.
shareI'm not judging the men based on their race . . . how is it 'in fact racist'?
shareits not prejudice for me to have uncontrollable preferences in the opposite sex. Am i prejudice towards tall people because i prefer a sort woman? Am i prejudice towards non nerdy women because i prefer them to have that interest in common with me?
shareSo You are saying that judging someone based on their race isn't racism?
sharei didnt "judge" anyone any more than me preferring ketchup over mustard means i "judged mustard" and was "prejudice against mustard"
just like in my examples above which you ignored on purpose. i just prefer a short nerdy woman over tall non nerdy women. Are you going to force people to be with people they arent attracted to? Are you next going to say its prejudice and phobia if a man isnt attracted to a trans women?
Whelp . . . At least you are honest about your racism.
shareAre a lot of men watching The Little Mermaid? I didn't know that this movie had to cater to men.
shareDads bring their families to the movies on a regular basis and we sit through many awful movies.
shareThis is a good movie though.
shareSo a film for little girls should cater to men?
shareI never made that argument. I answered why this is woke and why men would watch this movie... Everything else is your schizo projecting.
shareYour argument of why it upset you is that men aren't attracted to black women. How am I projecting anything? This film wasn't made for men in the first place.
shareWOW...YOU WIN...TODAY'S MEDAL FOR DUMBEST SHIT POSTED GOES TO YOU.🥇
shareThere are lots of men who find black women attractive. Halle Bailey is not below average looking,she would be considered above average by most people.
shareDo you define woke as "anything you don't like"? Who are you to judge as to how people feel about black women?
So Stephen King's Misery was fake because Kathy Bates starred in it?
How about One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Alien films, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Unforgiven, Fargo, Gran Torino, Jaws and Rocky all had at beat average looking female leads. Are those films all woke?
What definition of the word woke are you using anyway?
It confuses these retards. Messes with their fractions. A mulatto is half black, right? Then you have quadroon, octaroon, sextaroon, meamelouc, sangmelee etc... How will these poor white people compute and tally how much black DNA a character has got if she is playing the role of a half fish??? Ever thought of that, genius? Put yourself in their place.
shareCreate a new movie with a new character.....fine. Not woke.
Recast an existing, beloved character and change her race to virtue signal.....WOKE.
OK...SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS...BLACK FOLKS CAN BE IN MOVIES...BUT ONLY THEIR OWN MOVIES...ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM SEGREGATION?🫤
shareHe didn't said it has to be a "black movie." He said it you shouldn't cast a black person in the role of a traditionally white character, but should instead create new black characters.
Blade was black, and was in a movie with a ton of white folks, and it was a huge hit.
You are really dumb if you understood that. But we already know that ...
It's woke and racist to replace a well established WHITE character with a black one.
Remember Pirates of the Caribbean? They had black mermaids AND a black witch and no one cared.
If they would had made a different story about a different mermaid with a black lead ... NO ONE WOULD have complained. And I mean NO ONE.
But what they did is racist and cultural appropriation/colonialism.
Who is being hurt by this? Do you think that her having African heritage is hurting white people? How?
shareWell, somewhere out there is a white actress, that in a sane world, would have gotten a nice paycheck.
And it's insulting to movie goers.
WHITE ACTOS DESERVE TO BE PAID FIRST...GOT IT.
shareI in no way implied that.
What YOU clearly ARE implying is that you don't care if someone WHITE is denied a job, because of the color of their skin.
Wow you are one of these type of people as well? I guess I should not be surprised. How is that any different from someone saying you don't care if someone who is black is denied a job for their skin?
shareYour question is so poorly phraseed, I'm not sure what you are asking.
I take it you are SUPPORTING the idea of a white actress being denied a job because she is white?
Nope answer the question. So no other actress is allowed for Aerial except for white actresses? You ok with that?
shareI asked you to clarify the question. Beucase you write like a moron, I could not make sense of what you were asking.
Someone asked who was hurt by a casting decision made by race.
I pointed out that the FACT that somewhere there was a white actress that was "hurt" by not getting that job.
That was the point you responded to. Do you disagree? If so why?
Try to be clear and explain yourself, instead of being a jerk or making up stupid, "so does that mean that you think" asshole-isms.
Your insult is dismissed and consider it out of hand and unnecessary.
Nope I want my question answered.
So is the only race allowed to be Aerial white? Lets cut to the chase. You want respect then quit throwing out insults.
I can't answer teh question, because I did not understand it. So...
NOt my position.
Ok cool. So then Aerial can be any race and it should be fine. Good to know.
shareThat is not my position. Indeed, that you jumped from my statement to that, is dumb.
Is it YOUR position? Cause you are being oddly cagey about what YOU believe.
Or are you just here to be a troll boi?
You sure that is not your position? If Aerial was a white actress would you be commenting on this page? I highly doubt it.
shareYes, i am sure. And I note that you once again failed to give YOUR position.
So, you are just here to be a troll boi.
I don't believe you. I have a strong feeling if the actress was white you would not be commenting on this board. You are the troll not me. I am not the one who resorted to petty insults like you did.
shareYou are being disingenous.
My position is that many roles are meant to be one race or another, whether for inherent reasons, like historical characters or fictional characters where the race of the character was relevant, such as George Washington or Black Panther.
There are other characters where the race of the character is LESS important to the character but still set by cannon.
IF the creative type behind a story, has some CREATIVE reason to play games with this, and treats the character and/or the fans with respect, that could be justified.
One could call the discrimination of hiring only say, black actors, to play BLACK PANTHER, discrimination, because you are technically discriminating against white or asian actors. But it is JUSTIFIED by the needs of the character.
If the motive for the discrimination is just to discriminate IN FAVOR of one specific race, for RACIAL reasons, then that is not justified by the needs of the character and is RACIST DISCRIMIATION.
The specific example of this thread, has TWO strikes against it, ie the character is based off of NORTHERN EUROPEAN forklore and the mermain character was thus always seen as white AND the motive was just to discriminate in favor of POC.
That is my position, honestly and clearly stated.
You have not stated YOUR position, becuase you are a troll boi.
einsteinfountain speaks exactly like moviefanatic505. Whether they’re the same person or not, I suggest not discussing with him any longer. It’s as you said: he’s a troll, and he’s being disingenuous. He’s not here to discuss in good faith, he’s only here to waste your time.
shareQuite the accusation there. I actually love discussing things when people have level heads. Sadly that seems to be severely lacking in this scenario. I think people like you are not used to your point of view being challenged or disagreed with. It is fine though it simply shows someone has no faith in there stance when they shut down like that. Take care and keep it classy.
shareMy point of view is challenged all the time. Some of my closest friends have opposing views to me and yet we're still close.
You haven't shown any level-headedness throughout this entire thread, if you wanna discuss and have our respect, then be respectful and don't act like a troll.
The more you talk, the more you confirm my suspicions. You both use the exact same talking points and speech mannerisms.
I strongly doubt you have friends who do that. That is rather obvious by your immediate hostile response to me. I have never even exchanged words with you and here you are with all these accusations.
I actually have. I have not thrown around the insults that Corbell has dished out. I did not troll I challenged his view. How come he is allowed to throw out insults and ad hominem attacks yet I am the troll? Right only in your deluded world.
You can be suspicious of whatever it is you please. I am not going to deal with you trolling me. You can be suspicious on your own. You are now on ignore.
No I believe I have you pegged.
Many roles are meant to be a certain race. However there are roles where the race of the character is not a defining trait or set in stone. Historical figures of course and certain fictional characters but not all fictional characters are like that.
What even is canon? That is quite flexible. Fictional characters are going through constant changes over time.
See and I do not believe you are being genuine here. With people like you it would not matter how respectful or creative they were about a change in interpretation your outrage would take over. I do not believe you or people of your mindset would accept any change like that. I think that is you lying to make it appear like you are being open.
Certain characters race is pivotal not all are like that though.
Wait so then that means we need to also criticize the Disney Little Mermaid's interpretation. It is not the same as what the original is.
I do not believe your claim.
I question yours.
Well, if you dismiss my words about my own position, then there is nothing to discuss. Go fuck yourself.
shareLol see you don't like someone doing exactly what you do to others. You lied and said I said we had no right to deport people. I never said that I just don't agree with doing it. That wasn't only a lie it was an assumption from you. Can't take it then don't be dishing it out.
Keep things classy big guy.
I stated that you implied it and you did.
Your entire argument was based on making points that only made sense if you were making the case that we did not have the right to do it.
That was not me making an assumption, that was me considering your points seriously and honesty.
YOu are a dishoenst asshole.
No you also claimed I said it. Then you walked it back and said you never said it because you realize it would be a retarded argument. You must not realize I can pull up you claiming I said it. https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/64ae74e257e7d85b14510f76/New-York-says-it-is-unamerican-not-to-let-migrants-take-all-the-black-peoples-jobs?reply=64b539379344ec73910f3862
So yes it was an assumption that I said it.
You are the dishonest one. Also learn to spell for heavens sake!
European culture is hurt. And Europeans.
Are you asking the same question when you blame white people wearing braids of cultural appropriation? Or when you shout against the existence of a white actor in movie with mainly asian characters? (THe last Samurai, the great wall, etc).
I'm not blaming white people who wear braids of cultural appropriation. Who is shouting about a white actor in a movie with mainly Asian characters? I can see being offended if they made the one white actor in the movie full of Asians the hero . . .because that's insulting. Just like how you feel when a woman saves a bunch of men in a fight. It's insinuating that the Asians or men couldn't save themselves.
shareWow, what a novel topic you've come up with. 'Bout time there was some discussion on this.
shareIt's not, and it wasn't. She did fine in this. Its failure is not her fault.
If anyone's interested, I reviewed the movie on my youtube channel. Appreciate any feedback. Trying to improve -https://youtu.be/soMFKHB3JQI
I don't know if all mermaids are white but Ariel certainly is.
share-was- Ariel "was" white.
shareWhat we have in the new movie is fake Ariel. No one believes that's the same character.
shareWhy do you care?
shareI just think it's bad form to race swap long-standing characters. Imagine taking Blade and casting a white guy. That's stupid and no one wants to see that.
shareA very valid point that wokies always run away from.
shareThat, plus we're fans who actually care about art. We're not mindless consoomers just looking for some product to keep us from boredom for a few hours, and clapping like seals at the end.
Are guys like the OP trolling, or do they genuinely not comprehend the concept of connecting with art?
How does it change the 'Art' that the character has darker skin?
shareIf you change a fundamental aspect of a character like the name, gender, skin color, or sexuality, then it’s not the same character anymore, it’s someone else. People want to see the characters they grew up with, not some fake alternative, especially one created with an agenda.
Fans notice and care about stuff like that, consoomers don’t. Consoomers alone are not a reliable source of income, as has been shown for the last several years.
AS A FAN...AS SOMEONE WHO SAW THE ORIGINAL LITTLE MERMAID IN THEATERS WITH MY SISTER AND AS AN ADULT OWN IT ON BLU-RAY...I REJECT YOUR ENTIRE POST...
If you change a fundamental aspect of a character like the name, gender, skin color, or sexuality, then it’s not the same character anymore, it’s someone else.
EXACTLY...THIS IS NOT A SEQUEL...IT IS A NEW MOVIE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL.
People want to see the characters they grew up with, not some fake alternative, especially one created with an agenda.
NO...MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO WISH THEY WOULD STOP USING THEIR CHILDHOOD CHARACTERS(STAR WARS)...OR KEEP HOPING THEY DO SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH TO AWAKEN THE BRAND(RESIDENT EVIL🤞🏾).
Fans notice and care about stuff like that, consoomers don’t. Comsoomers alone are not a reliable source of income, as has been shown for years now.
CONSOOMERS ISN'T CLEVER...PLUS...FANS ARE CONSUMERS...LIKE CONSUMERS ARE FANS...YOUR WEIRD ELITIST STANCE IS WRONG-HEADED AND SHORT-SIGHTED...DISNEY MAKES CONTENT FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES...CHILDREN OF A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN THE ONE WE GREW UP IN...A MORE DIVERSE AND ACCEPTING WORLD...MY DAUGHTER IS 15...SHE WANTS TO SEE THE LITTLE MERMAID BECAUSE HER FRIENDS FROM SCHOOL TOLD HER IT WAS REALLY GOOD ON INSTAGRAM...NOW I HAVE TO WATCH IT...AT 41 I AM A BIT PAST DISNEY CHILDREN'S FARE...ANYWAY...THEY HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION...SIX TEENAGERS...TALKING ABOUT THE LITTTLE MERMAID...GUESS WHAT...NOT ONE OF THEM EVER MENTIONED THE MERMAIDS SKIN COLOR.😉
Fans are customers, not comsoomers, there’s a difference. You’ve demonstrated that you’re the latter. It’s not elitist, it’s common sense, something you seem to lack.
If this was a proper remake, they wouldn’t have made so many unnecessary changes. People are willing to watch remakes as shown by the success of Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, and Lion King, if they’re good enough.
You and your comrades need you get your talking points straight. On one hand, current year kids allegedly can’t see themselves in fictional characters who don’t look like them, so changes need to be made. On the other hand, you’re saying kids don’t care about skin color after all, thus making the changes pointless. Which is it?
ONLY PEOPLE WHO CARE ARE CRUSTY OLD DICKHEADS LIKE YOURSELF.
shareExcept I’m not the one going out of my way to change the skin color of a specific group of people. Nor am I the one defending it, downplaying it, or pushing for it.
The people who care about skin color are the ones pushing for changes in skin color, just like they're pushing for changes in gender and sexuality. These people are superficial, hateful bigots, and as long as they keep this up, audiences will call them out on it every single time.
Lol did you just call that abomination of a film Lion King 2019 good? The thing idiots like you seem to not understand is the live action remakes of Disney films are bad for many reasons. Least of which has to do with race change. Lion King was a terrible film, it got bad critical scores and did not even achieve good scores from the mass majority of people. That is apparent with it's imdb score. The reason the live action Disney remakes are bad is because they are telling a story which has already been told before. They do it almost beat for beat the same. They change maybe like 5% of the script.
Therefore it does not justify it's existence. Did Lion King make money yeah because of the nature of the property. Many bad movies can make good money. Del Toro's Pinnochio was excellent why? They added a new angle to tell the story from thus not copying the Disney film. Also the stop motion animation is a nice thing to make it feel fresh. They can change Aerial's race that is not the issue but tell a new story. Also you are wrong characters go through many different interpretations over time. Comic book characters are prime examples of this. So no it is simply the artist's interpretation of that specific character. Disney's Aerial is not even the original if we are getting technical, yet you still see her as Aerial. Some characters race is essential others it is not.
The Batman from 1939 is not the same Batman as today. Look and even narrative structure of characters get retooled constantly. Morons like yourself just are threatened by any from of change.
I didn’t call Lion King good, I merely relayed what others felt about it. Your personal opinion doesn’t matter.
Your concession is noted, looks like you finally hit rock bottom, which means you’re on time-out until I allow you to come back out. Now shush, the adults are talking.
Other people didn't like it either. It simply made money. Nothing to do with my personal opinion.
Me 75 you 0. You have officially become one of the clowns on movie chat. Man you didn't even score a point. Sit down little kid it's past your bed time.
It's actually more 'Woke' that they changed the story from the original to where instead of Eric killing Ursula and saving the day, it's Ariel who saves the day. In the original it was a nice harmony where Ariel saves Eric from drowning in the beginning, and he saves her from a sea witch at the end. They both get to be heroes.
This is par for the course for Disney now:
Luke Skywalker is a broken, worn down, hermit who hates the Jedi, refuses to help his friends and family, and is a piece of shit who tried to kill his nephew in his sleep. Meanwhile, Rey is awesome, has no weaknesses, will actually be the one to bring the Jedi back. She even gets to steal the Skywalker name at the end.
Copy and paste the Luke/Rey thing for Indiana Jones and Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
Marvel has replaced Black Panther, Iron Man, and Hawkeye with female versions.
Their upcoming remake of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" will have Prince Charming removed from the story because Snow White don't need no man's help to defeat Gal Gadot.
I'm not even sure this counts as 'Woke' anymore. Seems like it needs its own word. Like 'Disney'd' or 'Disneyfied' or something like that.
Read the original novel and you'll realize that the 1991 cartoon Disney field Hans Christian Anderson's story.
JRR Tolkien despised golden age Hollywood Disnifucation of original European fairy Tales as well.
How about, “fucking social-media brainwashed stupid”?
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