Now that the hype has died down:
It seems that everyone is pretty much realizing how bad this movie really is. It's very rewarding to a guy like me who realized this movie was bad the first time I saw it.
shareInteresting because if we look at objective data. The Force Awakens has a higher imdb, RT, and MC rating than any of the prequels do. Also even if you adjust for inflation The Force Awakens is the second highest grossing Star Wars film behind the original film.
Which means it made more than any film in the Star Wars universe besides a new hope. Also according to academy it is better as well since it received more nominations than any of the prequels. Also no razzie award nominations to the Star Wars name. So yeah as it stands the only movies which best it according to the data is the original three.
So what were you saying about people realizing it to be terrible again? Perhaps you can provide proof?
Did I mention objective data?
shareYou said that it seems that everyone is realizing how bad this movie is. What evidence do you have that supports this claim? None of the data supports your claim. If this movie fell beneath all the other Star Wars films you would have a case but as it stands it does not. So when you say it seems everyone realizes it perhaps you can provide some proof?
shareThis message board. I never cited objective data nor did I ever claim this was an objective fact so fuck off
shareIf it is not a fact why should we listen to you? Go by facts or some random person online hmm? Read the data and weep. I find it funny how desperate you are for validation.
shareI don’t care if you believe me nor did I force (no pun intended) you to post on my thread
shareNope but I figured I would showcase what an insecure child you are. The need for validation proves someone is insecure. It is not enough that you dislike the film you want others to feel the same way. You can't just be content in disliking it is whats funny.
shareThis thread was never about objective data nor did I even imply that it was. Your retorts are irrelevant and juvenile.
shareSo you simply want validation? Quite lame bud.
shareJust stating my opinion which is what this website is for you moron
shareAnd in that you showed that you need validation by your lame comments.
shareAre you willing to apply that same logic to everyone else on here who posts about not liking it? How about the people who post about hating TDKR? I find your selective moral outrage quite hypocritical
sharePoint to where I need validation for my views on a film? You are in desperate need for validation. I am just glad this film smashes the prequels in data. If the prequels had better data you would be beating your chest making constant posts about how it is objectively worse than the prequels. You would cite the data constantly as you did with TDKR. Good thing data holds you in check from making lame claims.
Although you did claim Temple of Doom to be objectively better than Last Crusade and the data says otherwise. So no I guess I was wrong about it stopping you lol.
So you aren’t going to apply that logic to anyone else??? Game set and match for Hippo
shareSo you have no retort for any of my points game set and match. Thanks for the win. Then again shouldn't be surprised you are a rat after all.
shareA) Unless you are willing to apply that logic to the haters of TDKR you don't have a case. Since you are too chickensh!t to do that, I win
B) I had a retort and you didn't provide a sufficient rebuttle
C) I'm not a rat, you are the one who ratted
D) Even if "C" were true how is that relevant to this discussion?
I already proved that you will not hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. Therefore I actually win so I go with option E. Game set and match for moviefanatic505.
I already beat you but I will be generous and dismantle your option choices.
A: I did prove that you do not hold people to the same standard which showcases your hypocrisy.
B: I retorted you simply did not comprehend it. I forgive you though for those lacking brain power I know it is hard for you. Do not worry it is your right to be wrong.
C: You did rat. You said you took a screen shot of my posts and sent it to the FBI. That is ratting.
D: It is relevant because it proves you do not hold yourself to the same standard you hold other people.
A: We aren't talking about me, we are talking about you. Learn to stay on topic, you would never apply that logic to any hater of TDKR you are a dishonest hypocrite.
B: No I comprehended it just find, the truth is your argument is just a bunch of garbled nonsense
C: You told me to do something about it, I just did what you told me to. If anything you ratted yourself out by proxy
D: Again stay on topic dumbass. All you know how to do is deflect when you get boxed into a corner, well it's not going to work, I'm going to keep you in the corner and just continue punching your face to a bloody pulp.
A: Yes we are you simply want to shift the attention away from you because you are a dishonest hypocrite.
B: Obviously you did not comprehend it fine, go back and look over it again.
C:Yep and your solution was ratting. Which makes us even thanks for that.
D:Never deflected once you just are too dense to realize when you have lost the match.
I never cared much for the Star Wars franchise (except Empire, which I did enjoy), but I must admit that the Force awakens is quite good. I like the Last Jedi too. Despite all the hype I think this new set of movies delivers.
shareA. Actually I'm preventing you from shifting the focus onto me
B. I comprehend it just fine, the stuff you say doesn't take an intellectual genius to understand, you aren't saying anything particularly thought provoking
C. I only did it because you said do something about it. You're a rat so I figured you wouldn't mind.
D. Yes you did try to deflect when you were boxed into a corner.
A. No you aren't.
B. Oh I know which is why I find it funny you can't comprehend it.
C. So you admitted You are guilty of ratting.
D. Nope I'm simply too much for you. Defeating you is just so easy.
These people are like:
The PT sucked. Sure it made lots of money, but that isn't a reflection of their quality as movies.
TFA made so much money, therefore it is the best movie ever ...
Dude the movie SUCKS! Its a fu king fact that this movie was trash.
shareplease provide these facts? I like it, my friends liked it, critics liked it, general audience liked it, made 2 billion globally, these are facts
shareI could not agree more. If Disney made sh!t Star Wars films whatever but what really boggles my mind was the blind fanboy praise for it, even Big Bang Theory said this film was good and I cannot understand it for the life of me. I am so glad the public seems to have woken up. I guess if you put the name "Star Wars" on anything fans will be in denial for a few years about how horrible it is.
shareIf you agree it is a fact prove it. I will wait. The amount of money it made, the critical acclaim, Oscar nominations as well as user acclaim is all fact. So please provide some facts.
shareWhere did I say it was an objective fact? Is putting words in my mouth the only thing you know how to do? If so that's really pathetic.
shareYour evidence for "bad movie" is "This message board"!
This board is a "deranged troll" magnet. Mom's basement instead of under a bridge.
The critics go full retard sometimes.
The Force Awakens isn't even half the movie that Revenge of the Sith is.
Translation people who disagree with me go full retard.
Critics were not the only ones who liked it fans did as well. The Force Awakens is higher rated than Revenge of the Sith among the general public. Personally I find all the prequels to be trash.
I know people at least told themselves that they liked The Force Awakens when it first came out, but just as the OP is saying here a lot of fans have cooled on it over the last few years as they've reconsidered it. I actually have a friend like that myself.
The prequels, conversely, seem to be gaining speed as time goes on. It's the opposite trend: People who once talked shit on them are starting to conclude there's more there than they originally gave credit for.
In fact, there was an entire documentary made in defense of the prequels just a couple of years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGyv85zitYg
Opinions on films can change overtime. Thing is you do not speak for everyone. Are there people who cool off on a movie as time goes by sure. Ask yourself this though is it possible some people just enjoyed the film where as you didn't? I find the whole oh the critics went retard to be a lame way of thinking. It translates into wah they liked something I didn't. Or vice verse. My favorite excuse is Disney paid the critics to give it good reviews.
Really if that is the case I guess Disney forgot to send the check for the following films. Solo a Star Wars story, The Nutcracker and the Four Realms, and A wrinkle in Time.
I get why people did not like this movie, but do not project and belittle those who enjoy it. Someone is not ignorant simply because they like something that you dislike. Also yeah before referencing the op might want to check his history he is a known idiot among imdb.
I think if people like The Force Awakens, then that is well and good. I never said others have to share my opinion. But my opinion is indeed that it's a dull film and that it did not get the Disney era of the SW universe off on a good foot.
It mostly fails on a writing level, as many of JJ's films do. I don't hate JJ Abrams--he is, at least, an excellent technician--but for someone who has made no great films, it's a little baffling as to how he's been able to gain so much notoriety and power as a filmmaker. The closest he's come to making a genuinely great film is Super 8, and even that movie is known for faltering in the third act.
But hey, I am rooting for the guy with Episode IX. I have to hope to that he will be able to clean up Rian Johnson's mess and finally get the Disney SW films on track. I guess we'll see what happens.
I am fine with that but when you say the critics went full on retard it implies that they need to agree with you in order to be smart. Disagreeing is fine but insulting them because they did not agree with your assessment is juvenile and lame. I disagree that it is a dull film. Do I think it has problems sure but the thing is even on a basic technical level TFA is far above the prequels. The fact that practical effects and actual puppets were brought back is amazing.
That was a gigantic pitfall the prequels fell into was way too much reliance on cgi. I understand how it fell into that trap it was new at the time and it made many things easier to do. I have no issue with cgi but it should be used as a tool to enhance not replace everything. Use it sparingly and when necessary.
See that is just it I did not dislike Last Jedi either. Again not flawless but visually it is quite stunning. Here is the thing that I appreciate about Episode 7 and 8. Even though the stories are not perfectly sound at least we do not have horrific acting and awkward dialogue like in the prequels. Seriously good grief were Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman dreadful in those films. I do not place the blame entirely on them part of it is the awkward dialogue and bad direction. Lucas has never been good at directing actors.
Obviously people can like whatever they like.
My biggest issue with critical praise for The Force Awakens is that it rewards Disney for making what is (in my opinion) a poor Star Wars sequel, and also for sending the franchise into a weird direction in which the films were as much a political megaphone for Disney as they were pieces of entertainment. It's a form of encouragement that says, "Hey, give us more movies just like this one!"
It also opened the way for The Last Jedi. I actually enjoyed The Last Jedi the first time I saw it. But then the more I thought about it, and the more I discussed it with others, the more I realized that not only is it poorly written on a creative level but it's also intensely disrespectful to long-time fans of franchise and the films that came before it.
Regarding the prequels, I'll agree that Hayden and Natalie did not give their best performances, but I've come to regard this as part of the charm of those films. I also came to look at AOTC's performances a little differently after understanding Lucas's approach:
https://geekydaddycom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/george-lucas.jpg?w=1140
As for the CGI in the prequels, yeah, there's a lot of it. Lucas had a new toy and he wanted to play with it. With that said, there are a lot of practical effects in the prequels, more than most people seem to realize.
You may find this video interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpFsO8wUoI
Yes Revenge of the Sith was actually a really good film and I would argue that it's better than Return of the Jedi.
The Force Awakens isn't even as good as the dogsh!t I accidentally stepped in.
I hate Rey, I hate Finn, I hate Snoke, I hate Emo Vader, I hate everything about The Force Awakens.
shareI like Kylo Ren and think he's a pretty good character and villain.
I more or less agree on the rest though. Rey could've been a good character if they hadn't Mary Sue'd her. Finn is whatever. Snoke is boring.
Rey is infuriating on all levels, from be able to fix the falcon before Han to the don’t hold my hand scene. I get it, women can be tough too, I don’t need that message rammed down my throat every five minutes. Rey is the definition of a Mary Sue.
ROTS is a great film, especially the second half and the confrontation between Vader and obi wan. The mustafar fight was epic
Interesting because if we look at objective data. The Force Awakens has a higher imdb, RT, and MC rating than any of the prequels do.
Those numbers are based in the hyped original scores. Check last reviews in imdb. Average score is not even 5.
The movie is aging fast and bad.
The film used to be firmly planted in the IMDb Top 250 #150-170 range with an 8.2 rating for about a year or so. Since then, it's steadily declined to a 7.8 and dropping. It's true that hype usually places a movie in the IMDb Top 250 for a few weeks before it averages out and falls away, but Episode 7 was there for over a year. It didn't drop out until early 2018, according to statistics. This means that people still thought the movie was great for sometime afterward until newer movies began showing people how flat and lifeless it actually was.
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