Qyburn's Extra-Large Crossbow (Spoilers Obviously)
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Try again, buddy.
It's OK - in the next episode, he's going to reveal that Bard the Bowman has recently immigrated from Lake Town.
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The only question is whether the huge cross bow bolts are poisoned or not... If they aren't poisoned then your most likely outcome will would just be an injured dragon which might be even more of a problem than a healthy dragon... sort of like when you injure a bear it becomes a lot more aggressive than when its uninjured.
Otherwise you better hope that the crossbow bolt hits the heart or it isn't likely to kill the dragon... Given the dragon is moving and your shooting a crossbow with a rudimentary system of aiming your unlikely to kill it even if you hit it.
That's what I was thinking. How would you aim that huge crossbow quickly enough to hit a living dragon. Because unlike dead, skeleton dragons, live ones tend move around a whole bunch.
But if they do poison the arrows, it just might work, because all you need to do is graze it.
Where in the GOT lore does it say poison works on Dragons?
shareI don't know. Where does it say it doesn't? (genuine question)
shareHow exactly to you figure out how to poison a dragon? If you don't have an ancient scroll saying exactly what works, and Kyburn probably doesn't, how do you come up with an effective poison? You have to assume that anything that can breathe fire and live doesn't have a lot in common at the metabolic level with regular mammals or reptiles, so if you want to try poisons what do you use as a test subject?
We went through this before, the dragon harpoons are very difficult to work. For one to work it'd have to hit the dragon at an angle where the harpoon wouldn't just skid off of the scales, and it'd have to penetrate both bone and scales above a vital organ, it'd have to hit a target that moves very quickly, and it'd have to be manned by men who are wetting their pants in terror. At best. At worst, they're crispy crunchy crackly bits.
Also, because they're so big, you'd think you'd need a substantial amount of poison. Otherwise it would be like a human ingesting a speck of arsenic (perhaps)
shareI'm not pro-poison and I haven't spent much time figuring out how it would work. I was just going of on what thomas998 said.
As for manning the crossbow, I thought it was going to be very difficult, but [spoiler]Bron didn't seem to be struggling that much with it. He sure turned out to be stronger than he looks.[/spoiler]
Seeing the bow in action brought up another point I hadn't thought of - the dragon is so streamlined that there are hardly any places a harpoon could strike on it in a head-on shot. It hit the dragon in the upper arm or shoulder, whech did present a fairly flat surface, but which wasn't over a vital organ. Hard to kill, dragons.
I gave nothing to say about the difficulty of winding or aiming such a thing, I've never used anything like one.
If I remember correctly (which I rarely do) it hit the dragon somewhere under the... armpit? Wingpit? So it might be near the heart, maybe...
But, yes, I agree, a dragon doesn't have much surface were you can get a good hit and kill it. But I think Bronn may have gotten it out of commision for a little while at least. The spikes on the "arrows" would surely tear up everything there pretty well on the way out.
How do you even treat a dragon wound? That would be a lot of ointment. And do you give it a giant dragon cone to stop it from getting at the stitches?
Like I said, a dragon's physiology is probably unlike anything on this Earth or in Westeros, so giving it medicine is going to be as impossible as figuring out how to poison it.
I suspect that dragon veterinary medicine existed once, but all the research went up with Old Valeria. Now, all Danerys can do is hope her baby gets better on his own.
well, if you can poison a rat, you can poison a dragon.
An ancient wise man once said: the poison is in the dosage.
Metabolic and cellular differences between mammals and drsgons aside, how do you calculate dosages for something the size of a dragon?
Got any whales to use as lab rats?
well, it's an experiment and a risk.
All they had to do is concentrate the poison as much as they can and apply it on the tip of the arrows. Then wait and see.
I admit that Cersei's people have nothing to lose by attempting to poison a dragon.
In fact, I hope they give it a shot. Because better Kyburn should spend his time on something that's 99% odds of being totally futile, than at something that might advance the Mad Queen's cause.
I don't think they were poisoned, but they have 3 or 4 sets of barbs on the end, so it will cause more damage trying to yank it out. Drogon may have to lay down for a while after this one.
shareIf I were Dany I would have had the dragons procreate and I would have saved me some dragon eggs, in case I needed them in the future.
shareThe three dragons appear to all be male. So that doesn't work.
shareactually i heard they are sexless, they switch to male or female depending on the situation
shareI don't think that is addressed in the show but I did hear the same thing, I think it is in the books.
shareI thought the books said that one was female and two were male? it's been a while.
shareare you suggesting the dragons' are like Lanisters, brother sister love?
shareWe have no idea if the dragons are related. Sure, they were eggs together, but the eggs could have been taken from three sets of parents, or one. We have no idea.
I will say that two males and one female is not enough to get a viable gene pool going.
also its taken 5 years for them to get this big, not sure she can wait that long again
shareDany learned a lesson today: don't fly directly towards the crossbow. It was pure luck that Bronn was distracted and didn't aim better.
But the screenwriters were cheating. What are the chances that crossbow will be situated directly in the dragon-flying path? Minimal, I'd say. And yet, exactly this situation happened. Anyway, lesson learned, I doubt this will happen again.
Also, maybe Drogon can master a zig-zag flight pattern (you know the one that might have saved Rickon).
shareRickon burn!
shareYeah, zig-zag pattern or circling the enemy instead of flying directly towards them. And if I was Dany, I'd ask myself if I didn't know about the crossbow, what else don't I know? Maybe it's time for Varys to earn his keep and start collecting information from Cersei's circles.
shareHaha! Love it! So how many more of those secret weapons do they have? That one was destroyed. Love it!
shareGood question. I'm sure Qyburn has already laced King's Landing' outer perimeter wall with those extra-large crossbows, if Dany would have assaulted the Red Keep with 3 Dragons like she wanted to, it may have resulted in some hits.
Guess we'll find out what's next in the 3 remaining episodes this season....
If Jaime had thrown the spear dany might be dead thanks to that crossbow.
shareDany saw Jaime riding right at her, but with Drogon fire taking out Jaime's horse--the only survival was thanks to Bronn pushing Jaime into the conveniently placed pond before napalm disaster.
shareYes Jaime being saved was contrived. I agree with that. Either Jaime or danaerys should have died then. Show kind of copped out there. if either Jaime or danaerys had died in that showdown it would have been off the charts epic. And more consistent with the earlier seasons.
shareYeah, much as I loved this episode, I did note even as I was watching it that it's just too convenient the way these fan favorites keep narrowly escaping death when everyone is dying around them. Originally, Game of Thrones was pretty merciless in depriving everyone of plot armor, but over the last few years that's kinda changed.
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Didn't get why Jaime was slowly sinking so deeply, either. Even dead bodies with no air in their lungs float, right?
(Maybe it was the armor/sword weighing him down, tho)
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thus drowning him in a hilarious and unexpected way.
Though, me think even if Jamie do managed to live, he would attempt to murder Dany and may be get himself killed in the process.
It was the armor. This did happen historically, and it's even happened in this series. Well, I'm not positive it's been mentioned or shown previously in the show, but it was definitely mentioned a couple times in the books. Davos mentioned it in his thoughts while Stannis' ships were burning in the Blackwater Bay and people were drowning and sinking, and I believe some people were sunk by their armor when Robb broke a Lannister siege on Riverrun. Armor in those times was very heavy and a serious danger if you were at risk of finding yourself underwater.
Jaime probably isn't going to be able to get out on his own; Bronn or someone will have to help pull him back up. I don't expect him to die though, because if he was going to die it would have been when the dragon started blowing fire at him in the last minute there.
Jaime probably isn't going to be able to get out on his own; Bronn or someone will have to help pull him back up.
Or even someone from Dany’s people.
You know, the »more valuable to us as a prisoner« thing. share
apparently not big enough I guess. unless its shot right on the dragon's head its not likely to kill it
shareIndeed, and that was Qyburn's demonstration for us, but even he forgot to take into account that the derelict dragon bones can become weak over time, thus the quarrel went right through the dragon head with ease, and merely a prickling for the very much alive Drogon.
sharei don't have any real life experience hitting dragons, but when i play skyrim it's so hard to hit a dragon with an arrow while it's in flight. it's far easier to hit a dragon while it's on the ground because it would obviously be moving slower. the cross bow weapon should not work at all, and bronn shouldn't have landed that all too lucky shot.
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