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Shane Black said that this movie is dogsh#t


Shane Black compared this movie to dogsh#t, and he said that he feels embarrassed when people tell him that they like his work while also being a fans of Michael Bay's films. Me personally, I don't care for that, since I don't even remember finishing watching this movie. But what is funny though, is that such statement comes from someone who directed Iron Man 3, which Shane Black considers to be an uber-artful masterpiece that was just too clever for people to understand. Iron Man 3 definitely wasn't too far away from movies that Michael Bay makes. A generic action blockbuster with hackneyed story and tasteless humor.

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Shane Black was fucking right, and don't get me started on the fucking music in that dogshit film either.





Deckard B26354, I'm filed and monitored

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But... the music is excellent.

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I'm watching it right now and was just thinking about what an awesome score the film has.

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Exactly. You’d have to be deaf or have a dick stuck in your ear to think the music is anything less than awesome 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Come on, this movie is fun.

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I agree that The Rock is a bad film. It is a shame, though. It could have been great. The basic plot is serviceable for an action film and the actors were decent choices for it. It is sunk by the little details. Also the script and especially the directing. Just a mess.

Shane may be right but his movies are often as bad or worse.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: B+
Iron Man 3: C-
The Nice Guys: B-
Predator: D-

Compared to Bay.
Bad Boys: C+
The Rock: C-
Armageddon: D+
Pearl Harbor: D+
BB2: ?
The Island: B+
Transformers all: ? (couldn't even finish the first one, never going to see the rest)
Pain and Gain: A-
13 Hours: A

Advantage Bay.

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I don´t care what anyone says I love this movie.

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The rock was a great movie. Highly entertaining. Cage and Connery were hilarious. Ed Harris. Cmon.

Most of that list is CGI garbage.

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AnubisRayden The Rock is not a bad film.

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Well ... it's better than Face Off and Cliffhanger. I'll give it that. Lots of action movies are worse. The Rock avoids being dog shit by a hair. I think C- is a very apt ranking.

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I like Face/Off, Cliffhanger, and The Rock equally but that's just me. You don't see movies like that anymore.

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I'd give KKBB and The Nice Guys both solid A grades. Both do that perfect genre sendup/homage/embodiment thing where they parody/deconstruct/satirise while exemplifying. The Nice Guys isn't as tight a script, but I love the way it puts the daughter character in there to basically question every action movie assumption we have about what makes the good guys "good" anyway? I love those movies.

I haven't seen Predator, but Iron Man 3 was very forgettable, and while I might be kinder than your ranking, I don't think I'd go higher than B- on my most charitable day. I'd go with C; maybe C+.

For Michael Bay, I've seen The Rock (B+), Armageddon (D), Transformers (D), and Part of The Island (?). I would like to see Pain and Gain, which looked fun.

What keeps The Rock down as a B, for me, is: whereas KKBB and TNG go way beyond their genres to give us something unique and special (while also being wildly entertaining and fun), The Rock basically just lives up to its Action Movie expectations. It gets a B+ from me because it's a good, fun action movie that does what it's supposed to do, but by failing to set itself apart in any meaningful way, it gets relegated to B territory.

For the record, a C-grade movie would be one where huge fans of the genre would probably enjoy it as a quick fix and others need not apply, or a film with some good elements held back by serious flaws.

D-grade movies aren't worth the ticket price for anybody. Case-in-point: I have enjoyed Transformers properties like Transformers: The Movie, but I don't like Transformers (Bay's film) at all. It's bloated, lazy, and features that frustrating shaky-cam so even the fun action isn't fun.

To get an F, I think it'd have to be a D-grade film that goes "below and beyond" in the same way I'd compare an A movie to a B movie. F would be something not only bad, but tasteless. I haven't seen films like Cannibal Holocaust, I Spit On Your Grave, or The Human Centipede, but these films might enter that category.

And for the record and what it's worth, I don't think these films should be censored (I'm very pro-free speech) nor do I think all offensive material auto-equals an F rating, since I see the value in films that are shocking or subversive.

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This is funny after watching The Predator (2018) which was as obnoxious as the Transformers movies except actually rated R so this time they finish the F-bombs.

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OP, if you are reading this somehow, do you have a link to where Shane Black said this? Was it an article or podcast?

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Shane Black is one to talk since his movie The Predator was dogshit, The Rock is a way better movie than what he directed.

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Exactly. He hasn't made a good movie.

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The Rock is way better than Ironman 3 and The Predator.

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That's definitely a true statement.

The Rock is one of the best action movies of all time. Shane Black hasn't been involved with anything worth getting excited about in years.

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he is corrects.

typical michael bays movie = fast cuts, sport car, ass, gun shot, fast cuts, ass, close up, fast cut, gun shot, shouting, sweat, ass, sport car, fast cuts, gun shot, shouting, ass

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Fuck Shane Black

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