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better than godfather?


you tell me

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Yes. I will get flamed for this but I find the Godfather boring. I like this though.

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i agree i watched godfather for the first time like a year ago and for the life of me couldn't see what all the hubbub was about.

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The explanation is that people have gotten dumber and more impatient since 1972.

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Whatever you pelican. I'm dumb just because I don't agree with the fact that the godfather is the best movie ever. Must be good to feel superior to others over the internet due to your movie choices.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UFQ9N-qp0

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Haha good stuff.

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I don't blame you for taking offense to my brutal assessment of why movies have flown south so badly. I think both The Godfather and Good Fellas are A level films, perhaps the very two or three best in the genre (along with Godfather II). By "dumber" I really mean that, in my opinion, American society overall is less literary and has less of a common cultural foundation. The geodesic that cuts through the present leads naturally to more whiz bang junk food cinema and a disinclination to even imagine that loftier themes, when actually present in cinema, have antecedents throughout human history including the USA. For example, Coppola's other epic "Apocalypse Now," in my view the last truly great epic American film, had as its root inspiration "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad. I don't think such knowledge is in any way required to enjoy the film, but that sort of root level inspiration means that AN is only superficially a war film and more of a psychological study. For an audience to embrace that they can't expect half the movie to be explosive Ride of the Valkyries type sequences. The much-maligned ending of AN is brilliant but requires a certain patience and willingness to pay attention to Brando's mumbling and its profound statements about the absurdity of war. This is the patience factor. I don't consider anyone stupid for thinking AN is mundane or boring provided they actually paid attention to it, but rather reserve that insult for anyone who instinctually is unwilling to give their attention to anything but action and spectacle. To appreciate The Godfather you really need to be willing to invest yourself in Michael Corleone's life. He's the central character, not the Don.

The 2000 word limit on this forum is so lame...

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I take offense at what you said. I admit I find the Godfather boring but I do like other dramas like One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, Driving Miss Daisy, and Shawshank Redemption. I also like action movies and I admit have watched action movies more times than most dramas. I also hate your statement that anybody that enjoys watching action movies over and over is a stupid person. That's basically what you said. Anybody that prefers action films over dramas is a stupid person.

I will however somewhat agree that it is rather upsetting people can't get into books as much these days. I can assure you I am not one of those who hates reading. Heck, I actually like First Blood by David Morrell, the Howling by Gary Brandner, Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, and the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde more than the movies they spawned.

Especially the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I don't think there's ever been a faithful adaption of the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde because nobody who has adapted it into plays and movies since the novel came out gives a crap about the characters Gabriel John Utterson and Hastie Lanyon. Everyone cares more about the title character. Truth be told in today's world especially a faithful adaptation of that novel would probably do poorly at the box office because the audience would be constantly getting impatient thinking, "I hate this character Gabriel John Utterson and his trying to find out about why Dr. Jekyll is involved with Mr. Hyde! When are we going to see Dr. Jekyll drink the potion and turn into Mr. Hyde!?"

But still a lot of what you said makes you seem a bitter person who hates action movies and hates all the younger people who enjoy them more than dramas. But whatever. I guess you are entitled to your opinion on thinking all dramas are better than all action movies.

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"But still a lot of what you said makes you seem a bitter person"

You're projecting.

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I agree

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Slow doesnt equal automatically good.

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Yes. I have seen Goodfellas a couple of times, but I never managed to sit through The Godfather all the way to the end.

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I hate to say it also, but I can watch Goodfellas over and over. I just can’t do that with The Godfather.

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Exactly. I've seen The Godfather twice, but I'd much rather put on Goodfellas.

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Both are great films. Godfather is more subtle and nuanced. Goodfellas is more modern and action packed, in your face.

They’re also about different periods of time. GF2 wraps up when Goodfellas starts.

Casino should be in there with both too. A beautifully shot film.

All are classics but I tend to watch Casino the most because of my experience and love of Vegas.

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It's better than Godfather III but not better than I and II. Don't get me wrong Goodfellas is great but being better than The Godfather is an incredibly high bar to clear.

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i watched godfather as a kid and was bored but thought it was great at the same time. this was more exciting and a more fun film to watch but idk which one i really like more its hard to say

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No. Godfather is better. It feels richer and more layered than Goodfellas, if that makes any sense. Maybe I just prefer the "cinema verite" of the Godfather, with the long shots of characters sitting in themselves and thinking and feeling and being, as opposed to the kinetic rush of Goodfellas, propelled by the voiceover.

Or maybe it's just that Goodfellas isn't even close to my favourite Scorsese picture. I prefer Silence (my number one), Gangs of New York, Taxi Driver, The Irishman, and Raging Bull to Goodfellas.

Don't get me wrong, Goodfellas is GREAT. Saying it takes a backseat to The Godfather or Raging Bull doesn't mean it isn't awesome. It's just...not as awesome for me.

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I wouldn’t really describe The Godfather as cinéma vérité. But I do agree that it has a more expansive story.

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It's got that '70s fly-on-the-wall style, though; you're right, it's not pure cinema verite.

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A salient point.

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Better at glorifying the mob? Yes and in SPADES.

Scorsese tends to sugarcoat his endings with "it all ends up normal" with his endings. Even with viscerally dark movies like Taxi Driver he lets the audience off with ease.

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Jeez... you are not the first person who I've seen thinking this about Scorsese's movies and it makes me wonder: can't you see the second degree? It's obvious that EVERYTHING goes wrong for the characters as they wrongly think that everything goes well while they go slowly to their downfall.

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Of course I can see the "lesson learned" but let's be honest here, Scrosese has this odd tendency to let the audience down lightly in the end. Henry Hill moping about eating spaghetti with ketchup was cute and fuzzy at the end of the movie.

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A lot better ,

I can easily watch it when I flick past it while channel hopping,

same with the shawshank redemption.

I thought the godfather was ok but nothing special.

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I got the impression Henrys life is shit now. Hes alive sure, but its will forever be boring, underwhelming, less exciting and a mediocre shit life

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Uh, Henry's been dead for 10 years now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/nyregion/henry-hill-mobster-of-goodfellas-dies-at-69.html

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sorry I meant to reply to the criticism that Scorese films ending are a happy ending cop out. and was trying to explain how I did not think henrys storyline in the film ended as a "happy ever after"

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Yeah he was in a documentary about his life in the mob called Henry Hill the Real Goodfella and it's stated that he has been in and out of jail fairly often. It also stated he had spent all $500,000 he had gotten for this movie and that he worked as a chef in a restaurant.

And yeah. The movie makes it sound like he didn't live a good life after leaving the mob. Also there is the fact his kids hated him and they wrote a book about what kind of person he was.

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A mediocre shit life is 95% of American reality. He's lucky he wasn't tortured to death.

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