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The MovieChat discussion about Opioids


I recently spent over 10 months as a patient in 3 Boston hospitals. I conservatively estimate that one-third or more of the patients were on opioids. The nurses will ask, “On a scale of 1 to 10, what’s your pain level?” An answer of 7 or above got you your pain meds: OxyContin for the hardcore, Percocet for the better-educated and self-respecting. The Oxy is like 8 times stronger than the Percocet. Note bene: I am NOT slamming nurses. Nurses are 1 of the essential pillars of society. (Hospital administrators? Not so much.) The nurses do as they are told, and the insurance money keeps rolling in.So now we have powerful, FUN painkillers that are perfectly legal and freely available, albeit as addictive as Internet sports gaming or a Taylor Swift hummer. Potential good news: the subhuman Latin cartels go out of business. The bad news: the walking dead.

What do you think the future holds?

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I THINK YOU'RE WEIRD.🤔

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Why would it take 10 months to remove a stuck foreign object?

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🤣

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R_Kane is strange and it's hard to tell how sincere he is.

He regularly talks down to people for sexualizing women yet he'll often go on viciously sexual tirades. Remember that thread where we all named our top 5 actresses? R_Kane named porn stars. He also claimed that The Lair of the White Worm (1988) should be remade by some random company, which I googled, turns out it's a porn website that I think specializes in fantasy porn re-enactments. The website looked very dated and I believe it's been in operation since the late 90s.

He once made a post where he basically revealed himself to be around 70 years old. (He said he was hitting puberty around the time the first Bond movie was released, that was 1962, 61 years ago.)

So we've got a 70-ish year old porn addict who is the guardian of the English language and recently spent nearly a year in hospital(s) due to pneumonia, I believe. If he's telling the truth it's hilarious, I can almost picture him. A 70 year old watching fantasy porn hahahaha.

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Holy shit! Now that is hilarious!

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This is the sort of shit he watches (no nudity on display in this image):
https://i.postimg.cc/4dHQTVbV/Screenshot-2023-11-09-at-19-06-46-Digital-Playground-on-Instagram-EVERMORE-Who-will-cease-the-elve.png

Some Conan the Barbarian type porn nonsense.

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I’m adding this to my watchlist, purely for research purposes of course.

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I thought the weirdest thing about his choice of 5 actresses was that he included Wendy Whoppers.

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I just googled her... some blonde chick with awfully ridiculous looking humongous implants? Pfft. R_Kane has bad taste.

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as addictive as....a Taylor Swift hummer.

the subhuman Latin cartels

Once I read that I questioned the sincerity of the entire post.

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Better than the interminable threads about elementary school aged girls on this site that were defended to various degrees by several high post-count regulars

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Thread winner ☝️

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When he inserts it continuously, it's no longer foreign.

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That’s a damn shame. 😀

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I think people have to learn to live with pain and not be so quick to take whatever dope the medical industrial complex is pushing.

We watch American television sometimes and maybe you folks don't see it because you're in it - but it seems like every commercial or second commercial is a drug ad.

You're going to have to decide if you're a nation of junkies or not and soon.

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Parker, I don’t know that one can entirely lay the opioid epidemic at the feet of American citizens. Big Pharma is HUGELY profitable. The Pharmas want to sell us dope. They are legal drug cartels. I also noticed that the hospital TV played a TON of ads for upgrading one’s Medicare and buying life insurance, predatory advertising aimed at senior citizens who could not read the fine print at the root of the ads that informed them to, “Talk with a licensed insurance agent today.” There is big money in pain and in death.

I am convinced that everyone who works in health insurance will go to Hell. “Oh, no. You’re not covered for that.”

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I wonder what part of their brains get shut off - those involved have to know what they're doing but I guess job security, money and cowardice form a certain block that lets them do things they know are wrong.

The fact that asthma inhalers, epipens and insulin are not sold at cost shows how much of a fucked up racket the medical industry is and how the government just lets it happen.

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What kind of medical problem did you have?

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That is personal. I had several issues, all resolved. I can tell you that my ulcerative colitis became deadly again.

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It was probably rabies.

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What is your point? You act like you're smart but say dumb shit. Opioids are a necessity for pain. Go have a kidney stone and tell me you don't need them. The whole opioid epidemic was caused by street fentanyl not percocets. Also everyone should read this gem:

https://moviechat.org/tt11041332/Yellowjackets/6191f219971895549d297bc0/Good-Hooked-Wow?reply=65134303b17fbe49268a4394

Signed, million man.

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Agreed.
Luckily, I don't have to take painkillers, but I know some people who're in extreme pain for a variety of reasons (accidents, sport damaged, body fights).
And I'm definitely not going to tell them that everything will be okay with a little yoga.

Unfortunately, it's also a fact that opiates are prescribed far too carelessly.
Here are a few specialized pain clinics and after a mostly strange odyssey, patients first have to go through a withdrawal treatment before the actual search for the cause can begin.

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They used to be prescribed carelessly. Old people can have as many as they want as far as I'm concerned.

Signed, million man.

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Ok, I understand your point.
Well, with oxy-addicted elders you can sometimes no longer distinguish between dementia and oxy-hallucinations. Both lead to the loss of housing and independent living. If there are no relatives who can look after them around the clock. ☹️​

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a friend of mine had open heart surgery back in april. they gave him three weeks of painkillers and that was it, over the counter after that.

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Somehow Bloodshot77's new OP "What is wrong with me?" reminded me to this discussion.

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Sorry, I was drunk.

Signed, million man.

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It's ok...I don't think that you're at the end of your life.

Actually I wonder more where beavis is.
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/655631246e99272c1e6d5fbd/I-hate-my-life-right-now

However, perhaps I shouldn't behave like a GSD. ☺

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the issue in terms of Oxycotin is

1. Purdue lied about their addictiveness
2. doctors were encouraged to prescribe them as a safe "less addictive" painkiller by Purdue Pharmacy
3. doctors were encouraged to prescribe them for off label reasons by Purdue Pharmacy
4. Purdue was caught bragging about all this

https://youtu.be/zGcKURD_osM?si=Sk9YCT7vFJ_olgYO

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Yah, and business runs similarly in other pharma areas (anti-cancer drugs, vaccinations).

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agreed but this one was particularly nefarious and damaging in that it was literally one of the most addictive drugs ever created and literally contributed to a nation wide drug epidemic. thats next level

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Well, causing mass panic is also bad and influences human lives with broad consequences.
But true, causing mass drug addictions is certainly a "next level". ☻
Many, many Oxy addicts here too.

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When I finished my training at the trade school for medical assistants, my Externship was at a pain management clinic. I got to see firsthand how bad things were for the Opioid Epidemic.

I had to bring patients to the back room, take their vitals, do an updated paper on their charts, ask them where it hurt, and how to rank their pain on a scale of 1 to 10, like you said. The weirdest patients I got had pain that fluctuated all over their bodies, as well as up and down the pain scale. One patient hurt all over, so I listed everything from head to toe, where it hurt on that body part, and how high or low the pain was. Most were pretty nice, and came from all walks of life, and the doc was very nice to them. He used both modern methods, as well as working on helping them control their pain through "mind over matter" stuff.

What really disturbed me, though, was how the patients behaved at the end of their appointments, particularly when we had a weekly meeting of 10-15 patients. They were all in pain and anxious to get their prescriptions at the end of the meetings (which are mandatory). They were like angry, anxious, impatient kids that wanted their candy really bad.

Another thing that disturbed me was when the office would discover through urine tests that some of their patients were breaking the law. Once every few weeks, their patients had to take a urine test (and pay for it), which was required by the law, and they had to have results that showed the medicine was in their sample, in the right dosage, as well as only any other prescriptions they were taking. Sadly, two issues the office would run into was a.) the patient would start using illegal drugs in addition to their pain meds, or b.) they weren't using the medication at all and selling it on the street. I don't know what they did with Group B, but Group A was dismissed immediately, forever, and sent to rehab. First day I was there, everyone was shocked to discover a sweet little old lady patient they'd had for years had cocaine in her urine sample.

One thing that made me feel sorry for some of them was, many were on workman's comp. They seemed like nice, honest people that would have been happy to work for a living, but literally couldn't because of a severe injury of some sort. A few were even missing limbs!

One thing that gave me hope was when I was talking to a medical merchant who was visiting a few times, a guy whose product the doc was interested in too. The company the merchant represented was creating a safe alternative to opioid pain meds. Testing looked promising at that time, according to him. He told me that the volunteers were taking the same amount of the experimental pain med as when they started months earlier, whereas patients using current-day prescription opioids eventually develop a resistance and the doctors have to slowly up the dosage over time.

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half of america want's to be high on something. canada is not quite as bad but we are getting there.

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Unlike all the other stuff attributed to 'the deep state' / 'illumnimati' or whatever by paranoid tinfoil hat wearers ,

The opioid epidemic in the US is one of the few problems that really is down to shady deals and conspiracies and unseen forces pulling strings.


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"OxyContin for the hardcore, Percocet for the better-educated and self-respecting."

Not sure what makes you say this. OxyContin and Percocet are both oxycodone, and both come in various strengths. Only difference is OxyContin is extended-release, while Percocet is instant-release and also contains Tylenol. I'd actually argue Percocet is the more dangerous of the two, due to the more rapid onset of action (and therefore quicker "high" if you're taking it recreationally) along with potential liver damage from the added Tylenol.

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Users of Oxycontin just crush the extended release tabs then snort or inject the drug for an instant onset of action.

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You could do the same with Percocet though. And like I said, both come in multiple strengths. Oxycodone is oxycodone.

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No you can't. It's impossible to inject Percocet and you would have to snort so many Percocet tablets to get an effect it's just not feasible. Different strengths mean nothing. Oxycontin is just one tablet and it's much easier to abuse than Percocet. Think of Percocet as beer and Oxycontin is like moonshine. Both are alcohol but in much different strengths.

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I don't know about shooting up so I'll take your word on that. You can certainly snort a crushed up Percocet though, and I'm not sure how you can say different strengths means nothing. OxyContin is not necessarily a single tablet. There are 10mg Percocets and 10mg OxyContins, and there's no difference between the two when crushed.

I'm aware that the strongest single pill of OxyContin contains more oxycodone than the strongest single pill of Percocet, but if we're talking about serious abusers here, they will crush up and take as many pills as necessary, regardless if it's OxyContin or Percocet. I've seen it happen and it certainly seems feasible for them.

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The huge difference between Oxycontin and Percocet is the latter contains a shitload of acetaminophen. They are not the same at all when crushed. Since experienced users need multiple Percocet tabs to get high, usually more than five, it's easier to just take the Percocet orally and you will get high. I'm not getting into my background but I've seen drug addiction first hand and I've never seen anyone snort Percocet or any other acetaminophen/oxycodone or hydrocodone pill like Vicodin in my life. Not once. Oxycontin is pure oxycodone that's why it's easily snorted or injected. No one wants to snort a huge pile of acetaminophen. It just doesn't work.

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You're the one who brought up snorting. If you agree that Percocet can simply be taken orally for a quick high, then I'd say that it's more easily abused than OxyContin, which requires additional steps. And then we're back to my original post.

Whatever though, agree to disagree.

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