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Anyone else cutting off all ties to modern day culture and society?


Recently, I've been losing myself in a lot of retro TV shows, music, books, etc. The reason why is that it feels to me as if modern day culture and society is becoming more dehumanizing and nihilistic, to the point where more people are forgetting what it means to actually be and feel human, as well as live in an actual society where you have to share a space with others.

For example, this will be the 20th anniversary of 9/11. I'm a New Yorker who lived through that experience, and I can tell you that the culture and people were a complete 180 from what they are today. I remember walking through the streets of NYC in the weeks after and legit feeling if the entire country was united and all pulling for each other. And now it's the opposite. We went from the entire country going ape shit because almost 3,000 people die on 9/11, to the entire country not giving a fuck that 500K died from COVID.

The reason why so much has changed is social media, to be sure, but modern entertainment has been fueling nihilism and anti-humanistic values for well over a decade now. The generations that grew up being taught to get a hard-on for antisocial sociopathic characters (seeing them as sexy for being damaged or cool for being non-conformist) are now coming of age.

To me, an example of how fucked up culture has become--and how it's destroying modern day society--is that song Pumped Up Kicks. I remember hearing that song and loving it because of how romantic it sounded...only to hear the lyrics. This is a romantic-sounding song about a sociopathic kid that wants to kill people.

Another example is anime. Don't get me wrong--I do love anime but it's weird what gets pushed in this country. It's the demented stuff in Japan that gets pushed in the US, not the more wholesome fare. The worst example is Death Note, where the viewer is made to experience most of the story from the perspective of the villain, who's basically a serial killer.

Anyway, the point is that I'm pretty much done with modern entertainment and culture. I'm just going to lose myself in anything that predates 2010. It's nothing to do with age. I'm just sick of nihilism and anti-humanism and wonder if anyone else is feeling the same way.

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I'm in my 30s, I'm into music, movies, stand-up comedy, interviews, biographies, 99% of which were made before I was born. I can't stand the phone obsession (which I saw coming -- I got into the business for a while over 20 years ago, but not THIS bad).. I don't like the slang/language and the conformity.

So in my early 20s, I thought I'd backpack around the world, looking for...... something else. People to talk with most importantly, musicians to play with, things to observe, understanding. There's been a big difference in people since 2004 even in European, Asian, and Oceanic countries like Australia. They seem to recycle the WORST shit in our culture, but the average person usually doesn't search hard enough, and will watch whatever their phone directs them to do, directly or indirectly (advertisements for example).

In the last handful of years, I've come to sites like these trying to find people to talk to online.

I've noticed people changing. The lack of honesty, mostly. When it becomes more and more common, it becomes more and more acceptable. Just not for me, so for the most part I've chosen to not be involved with other people. But not by choice. There are things I've always wanted to do, but other people are necessary and they're not dependable.

I'd like to add a word I keep seeing on here - dehumanizing. Just think of the "music" -- auto-tune (you don't even have to sing in tune anymore!), "drum machines", apps and computers doing all the work, a business of "writers", tons of recycling, manipulation... CGI in movies, but also how movies only seem to get mentioned for fake controversy. I accidentally see stories when I check my e-mail, and all the mentions of movies have NOTHING to do with the movie, but how one group wasn't represented, or some "naughty" dialogue, a tweet one of the "stars" put online, a top-less pic from a boyfriend from 20 years ago, you name it, but it's never about the merits of the movie, because modern society stinks.

HOWEVER, as much as I criticize technology, it allows me to completely avoid this generation and allows me to watch, read, listen to stuff from the 1930-70s, which is also an attempt to see how exactly we got to this point. I love going on newspapers.com and YouTube and comparing everything. Talk shows, or even one person, who suddenly has to change with "the times" for financial reasons. Unfortunately, many younger and ignorant people follow the shit. They even call every person on "social" media a "follower".

I won't get into it, but politics is more retarded than ever. I can't believe the hypocrisy, or the odd things people prioritize. My biggest problem is that I don't believe what many people say they believe, and think it's their way of being "safe".

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Are you sure you're only in your 30's?

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What a stupid question... Are you sure you're 12?

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Just figured a Bill Hicks fan could take a joke.

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Maybe if the joke was funny :)

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But how old are you, really?

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I'm in my 30s

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What do you do for fun?

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Avoiding your stupid and insincere remarks.

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Playing hard to get.

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I'd like to add a word I keep seeing on here - dehumanizing. Just think of the "music" -- auto-tune (you don't even have to sing in tune anymore!), "drum machines", apps and computers doing all the work, a business of "writers", tons of recycling, manipulation... CGI in movies, but also how movies only seem to get mentioned for fake controversy.


Yup. And now AI/deep fakes has become a huge thing now, being pushed for everything from newspaper articles to fake profiles on websites from allegedly "real" users. 😐

So in my early 20s, I thought I'd backpack around the world, looking for...... something else. People to talk with most importantly, musicians to play with, things to observe, understanding. There's been a big difference in people since 2004 even in European, Asian, and Oceanic countries like Australia.


I envy people like you so much. My father went on this huge whirlwind tour of the world before he died, and this was right before what you talk about here happened--before the age of people elbowing each other in the face for selfies, overtourism, globalization, etc.

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It's too bad, because I would never do this now.. People used to talk about things, but now "cultural exchange" is "Prague has the cheapest beer in Eastern Europe"... Also, I go to talk to people, yet, people were always talking to a screen. Shit they could have done at home.

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I've never heard of newspapers.com Bill

Just poking around the link you provided it seems like an excellent and vast resource for history nerds like myself

Thanks👍

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You're welcome.. It's a great learning experience!

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Auto-tune should be outlawed. The technology was created to correct a singer's voice should they hit a couple of notes off-key. This saved having to redo the entire recording. It was never meant as a crutch to cover up an artist's lack of talent. Nor was it meant to make a human voice sound mechanical. Those robotic voices sound so stupid.

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I have the impulse, but I have the sense to know that I can't function in modern society without keeping an eye on what's happening in the now.

True withdrawl from modern society would require a cabin in the woods somewhere with an underground shelter/storehouse, and withdrawl from most of the benefits of modern civilization as well as the drawbacks.

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Degenerates took over Western Society...and now it sucks. It really isn't more complicated than that.

Right wing values create strong men, strong families, and strong nations.

Left Wing Values are just shit, and we are seeing them full-on display in the current zeitgeist.

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Degenerates is what happens when everything is about money.

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Who is fighting against corporatism? It's not the left.

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Seems like it to me. Maybe you are not listening to the Left if you think that?

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Dude, they are lock-step with big corp. The complete 180 of Occupy.

It just means that the left have no real convictions. They are told what to do and do it without question. It's quite sad & pathetic.

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I think it's sad and pathetic that you can lump things into left and right and be done with it. Its over simplification like that that has people arguing over nothing.

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Ok, so insults are productive because?

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If you're insulted it's cause I'm right, or left, wait now I'm confused.

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*whispers* go for the middle ground.

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There is no left-wing in the US

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> it feels to me as if modern day culture and society is becoming more dehumanizing and nihilistic

I agree. You might want to go back farther than 2010. Still, there is a lot of good stuff today, it's just that there is more trash than ever before that more intense and awful.

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As an US national you are not allowed to comment on Japanese culture!

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I don't do any social media. No Facebook, Twitter, or anything else that people seem to need to bury their faces in constantly. Never have. I have no regrets.

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I happened to join Facebook two years ago, but I don't bury my face in it.
That's a weird thing to say.

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I definitely gave up on modern culture. My friends will recommend me shows all the time, but nope, i'm gonna keep watching Bonanza and Cannon. I basically never turn the dial off MeTV. Which of course makes one a little anti-social. I gave up on music years ago. I get my new fix of entertainment from comics. Drive an old car too. No electronics that are just gonna fail one day and cost thousands of dollars to repair. Sure wish that AC worked though. That's brutal. Basically turned my home into a time bubble where the 90s never died. I definitely dress out of style. On the whole, I think people have gotten very casually cruel. And all the new content they make on these streaming shows are twisted and cruel. Mean spirited. Comedies especially. Anti-family, anti-religious, anti-high morals, anti-traditional family model. They're just gonna keep pumping out more and more of that crap till people forget how to love. Future is gonna be souless and hollow and I feel really bad for these new kids coming up who are gonna have to live in it. Heroes matter. Symbols matter. I don't know. We're reverting back to barbarism. Truth is the modern world was kind of an experiment and it's being abandoned.

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On the whole, I think people have gotten very casually cruel. And all the new content they make on these streaming shows are twisted and cruel. Mean spirited. Comedies especially. Anti-family, anti-religious, anti-high morals, anti-traditional family model. They're just gonna keep pumping out more and more of that crap till people forget how to love.


Yup. Bingo. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Mainstream Hollywood and mainstream media is at peak nihilism now, but peddles this nihilism to kids as being "cool", "edgy", "realistic" and "hip." The kids eat this stuff up thinking it's making them oh, so cool and smarter than everyone else (especially the older generation), but in the meantime, they literally don't understand what it is to love, form friendships, enjoy the little things in life (like sunsets or watching a bird build a nest), etc.

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I guess you're younger than me, but to me 2001 is not retro. The 1960s is. I agree that most culture today is worthless, but was 2001 culture that great?
To me the era of great culture--music, movies, TV, etc.--was the '60s. But the country was always divided...except once, when was landed on the Moon. Then the whole world was united for that brief moment of history.
As for everything else, the war, civil rights, etc. we've been split half and half since the Civil War.

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I guess you're younger than me, but to me 2001 is not retro. The 1960s is.


I didn't say 2001 was retro. I said I watched "retro TV" (MeTV, Antenna TV, Decades, etc.). Those networks more or less show stuff from the 1940s-1070s. I watch those instead of modern TV shows.

I agree that most culture today is worthless, but was 2001 culture that great?


To me it was, because 2001 was peak post-Cold War optimism (before 9/11 hit, of course). Plus, a lot of great music, TV shows and movies were still coming out around this period that weren't pushing these nihilistic themes I keep talking about.

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Nihilistic themes are all about learned helplessness. When people feel helpless they give up and become passive. So much easier to herd the sheeple then.

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