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Film noir term 'private dick'


where did this originate? I know it is short for private detective but why shorten it to 'dick'?

Didn't anyone think it was an odd term at the time? Or did 'dick' not mean the same thing in the 40s/50s? The same way that 'gay' means something different then as to now.

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https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-term-private-dick-for-a-private-investigator-originate

The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang [1], however, suggests an entirely different origin for "dick," one that I find very plausible. They trace the noun "dick" in the "detective" sense to the 19th century (around 1864) criminal underworld slang verb "to dick," meaning "to watch." This "dick" came in turn from the Romany (the language of the Gypsies) word "dik," meaning "to look, to see." This is significant because the Gypsies, originally from northern India, played a prominent role in the British underworld in the 18th and 19th centuries, and several Romany words (including "posh") percolated into general English usage during that period. One can easily imagine "dick" meaning "to watch" being transformed into a noun that means "one who watches, a police detective, etc." It is even possible that the popularity of Dick Donovan tales at the time contributed to the spread of the term "dick" among the law-abiding (and mystery-reading) public.

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That's a great answer, thanks 😃

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English slang is rather interesting and there are lots of words which appear to be totally unrelated to the parent word which are used instead.

You're welcome too. :-)

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Since the name Richard was often shortened to Dick one can assume that the dick as slang didn't appear until the 60's-70's.

I love reading history and have read several books on President Richard Millhouse Nixon.

He has had a long political career, I am fairly sure that the nickname 'Tricky Dick' did not occur until Watergate.

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I'm pretty sure Richards were called Dick long before Nixon arrived.

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Long before Nixon was even born.

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> I am fairly sure that the nickname 'Tricky Dick' did not occur until Watergate.

No, I think it goes back to one of his runs for the Senate.

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A few years ago I went to England for the first time. (I'm from the USA.) While at a restaurant with some friends I saw this on the menu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_dick

I had never heard of it until that moment. My British friends were quite amused at my reaction.

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That's a funny one too
Sounds like something that would keep the clinics very busy

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🤣 I think you can get shots for that.

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Also interesting that 'pudding' means dessert, not just what Americans think of pudding (a mousse like dessert).

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And "tea" is also a late afternoon meal, not just the drink.

I watch a lot of British TV shows and I rather enjoy learning their lingo.

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I can't picture milk in tea. Do any Americans take it that way?

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I drink my tea plain. I just assumed milk in tea is not much different from cream in coffee.

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I can't picture tea without milk. But it has to be black tea. I wouldn't put milk in say herbal tea.

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My family would call dinner "tea". It became confusing when they really did mean tea.

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Spotted Dick is yummy, after some hot dick I like to relax with a fag.

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And pat a nice lady on her fanny, which also means something very different in Brit cultures....

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You'd get arrested for that! 😂

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I remember someone telling me about an American guy studying with a British girl and she asked him if he had a rubber (eraser).

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There was some show on British TV a few years ago, I can't remember the name. This was after my trip to the UK, and I had discovered that I could watch the BBC from here (USA) using a VPN. Anyway, this particular show was about bizarre individuals. I suspect the people portrayed weren't real but actors doing scripted parts, but that made it no less fun.

One was an 18 year old gal who liked to use a baby's pacifier. Apparently the British call a pacifier a "dummy." So here's this young woman, quite attractive and dressed as such, shown walking around, going about her daily affairs with a pacifier in her mouth. Meanwhile she's narrating, saying over and over how she loves to "suck a dummy." My American ears couldn't believe what they were hearing. I could only think, "somewhere in the UK there's a very lucky idiot."

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Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks?

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> Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks?

They say that cat's a bad mother--

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Shut 'yo mouth!
But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft!
We can dig it!

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It went beyond film noir. In 1969, an Adam-12 episode was titled "Log 131: Reed, the Dicks Have Their Jobs, and We Have Ours" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505300/

Now I'm wondering ... was there ever such a thing as a "public dick?"

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Not that the term would have been used but to me a "Public Dick" would be a Police Detective as opposed to a Private Detective/P.I.

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Interesting answers so far. Nobody brought up Dick Tracy yet? It's from the 30s I think.

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Originally called "Plainclothes Tracy", I have to say Dick Tracy sounds better.

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