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Why are Americans so fat?


Will obesity ever go down? What about when we get universal health care? I don't think so. Americans already consume more health care than any other country and it only makes things worse. Public health care will be just like public education where the tests constantly have to be revised to cover up falling test scores. Maybe scientists will even change the BMI scale to something they can manipulate, like the CPI for inflation. Our dollars will all have at least 10 zeros and people will be as round as planets, but scientists will keep insisting that we're moving along at a managable place and making steady progress, and we'd be doing better if budget funding wasn't so low. Those darn fiscal conservatives hate science! Oh, but kids in college will major in fat acceptance, and we'll have fat runway models and fat body builders and if you notice it didn't used to be that way, that's criminal fat shaming hate speech.

I think we're fat because the government tells us to eat the food pyramid, and if the environmentalists have their way, it will be illegal not to eat a feedlot style diet of inudstrial substitutes. You will be socially ostracized like homeschoolers and anti-vaxxers.

This is the kind of stuff I think about everytime a liberal acts like things were going great until Trump came along. They weren't. You were just too busy feeding at the trough to see the people you were stepping on, fatty.

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It's a combination of things. You can't blame any one source as to why people in industrialized nations are heavier than in other countries.

- Too many cheap, high-calorie foods available
- lack of education on nutrition
- lack of knowledge on how to cook foods from scratch
- high-stress lifestyles that don't leave much time for people to cook meals from scratch
- people not exercising as much
- cultures that involve eating high-calorie foods all the time (and this is not limited to America, by the way)
- urban and suburban sprawl, requiring extensive use of cars, rather than traveling on foot or by bicycle
- genetics (some people are more prone to weight gain than others)
- lack of interest in exercise
- computer addiction

There are many conspiracies behind the obesity epidemic, and while it would be easy to blame the govt. for that, we have only to really blame ourselves for this problem.

However, keep in mind that not everyone in America is obese. I have met people of all shapes and sizes, and while there are more heavy people today than there were in the past, I still meet people who are just a little overweight, or are skinny, or are athletic. It's all about perspective and doing research.

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I think many of those reasons are bogus. For example, people are way more educated on nutrition today than in the past. Don't make excuses to give the prime culprits even more money. It shouldn't be our instinct to always double down and throw money at a problem. We're spending trillions on this and it only gets worse. The reason I blame government rather than ourselves is because I think people are trying in earnest but the government has misinformed them. Saying fat people are just lazy, that's the easy way out.

The physical activity issue is another one that always comes up and is similarly baffling to me. You didn't get fat because you stopped burning 5 extra calories from scrubbing a dish rather than putting it in a dishwasher. People with physical jobs like lumberjack just ate more, like 8000 calories, more than enough to compensate. Nobody ever used to go to a gym. Jogging didn't even exist.

No this isn't about perspective and research. It doesn't matter that you've met all shapes and sizes. What matters is the rate is increasing uninterrupted.

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You can believe whatever you like, that is your right. I have taken two different nutrition classes in college, as well as done research in up-to-date books, watched documentaries, and researched on trusted websites. I know much more about it than you do, and have the knowledge to prove it. I think you only came on here to complain because nobody listens to you in the real world, so you came to a place where people don't know you and will fall into the trap you set up to get attention. You can believe your conspiracies all you want, but you know what I told you is true. Get over yourself.

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Your experts took the training wheels off and you fell over.

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Burger king

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Good list MmeriGirl26. I might add high calorie soft drinks. I see heavy set people buying bottles of Sprite, Cola, and lots of potato chips and other junk. Sad.

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I can't keep track of all the fat people I see on a daily basis. The first three people I saw two days ago were fat, but the third was jogging so I didn't count her. But I'm at a super store many times during any given week and it's really pronounced. I don't dwell on it, but I certainly notice it. I keep wanting to do a count but it wouldn't be scientific so what's the point?

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Why is your question specific to the USA? There are morbidly obese people around the world. Prithee, explain.

Not for nothing: for every pound of adipose (fat) tissue that you have, it takes ONE MILE of blood vessels to pump blood through your body. What kind of shape do
you think your heart is in? Do you smoke? Drink? Sit on the couch and watch Steaming?

Or would you like to love and embrace yourself?

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A lot of people single out America and those are the people I'm trying to reach because I think they're the most wrong on this issue. I agree with you and thanks for noticing.

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" Do you smoke? Drink? Sit on the couch and watch Steaming? "

I do that (all 3 at once) , it hasnt made me fat though :(

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No, because you are also probably active, have a high metabolism because of your genetics, and/or other factors. Enjoy your good health!

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When Stephen Colbert went to Russia that was one of the first things an average citizen said about the US, that we have too many fat people. I was a little surprised they knew this.

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That's a bit weird IMO because how would Russians even know?

In my experience having traveled all over different parts of the US for work, it's highly dependent on region. Along the coastlines people are generally trim and fit. It's really unhealthy diets in parts of the South and Midwest where obesity really thrives. Cincinnati and Atlanta are two cities that immediately come to mind.

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Your whole post is quite weird.

What I got out of it is you suffer from obesity and blame liberals for calling you fatty.

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What's weird is our focus on hypothetical problems like global warming instead of concrete problems like obesity. Everything you can say about global warming, every stat, every graph, obesity is 100 times worse, and all we can say is it's fatphobia.

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It sounds like you really need to re-dedicate yourself to diet and exercise so you can lose some weight and improve your self esteem.

Only then can you start worrying about other important issues like global warming. Blaming liberals for your struggle with obesity isn't going to help you solve your problems.

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Why in the world would you think obesity is a bigger issue than global warming? Do you seriously believe that humans are the only relevant living thing on this planet??! God forbid we have fat runway models! You even say in your op that public education is failing, yet you still think obesity should be our main concern? Wow. Just wow.

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Check the OP’s posting history. S/he clearly has obsessive issues.

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I’ve read some outlandish thoughts and beliefs on this site, but this one had me floored. I can’t even wrap my head around that kind of reasoning.

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Global warming is a hoax. It even says so on Wikipedia that it was made up by the same oil companies who made up that crap about dinosaur bones. Fossil fuel my foot. It's abiotic.

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Your brain is a hoax. It's abiotic.

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You learned a new word today.

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"Brain" is a very common word. Too bad yours is a hoax. It's abiotic.

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😆😂 Oh! I didn’t realize it said so on Wikipedia!! I stand corrected. LOL!

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit

Initial sponsors included British Petroleum, the Nuffield Foundation and Royal Dutch Shell.[6] The Rockefeller Foundation was another early benefactor

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Yeah because how the climatology department at University of East Anglia was initially funded in 1971 proves that global warming is a hoax right Thrillhouse?

Your logic is just so unimpressive.

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Holy shit, it is a hoax! You’re right, f*ck the environment. We can deal with poor education later along with the rest of the trivial issues America has. It’s time to trim the fat!
I remember in the 80s this lady Nancy started a campaign against drug use. Her slogan was Just Say No to drugs. Now look, it’s 2019 and no one is using drugs anymore! I was thinking we could start one that says Just Say No to food! Right? Put down those forks America, this is an epidemic! If we don’t stop all this eating now, our future will be riddled with fat bodybuilders everywhere and we won’t even be able to say anything about those fattie mcfattersons!

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Amen!

😎

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Obesity versus Global Warming. We're all gonna die one way or the other and if people want to enjoy food and sedentary activities, they can be allowed. But if we kill the planet, we've screwed the future for everyone and everything.
I really dislike the obesity epidemic and I don't get on soap boxes over global warming, that's above my pay grade.

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Global warming hasn't really taken off yet, but scientists assure us it's about to spike like a hockey stick any moment. Obesity has, but scientists assure us it's finally plateaued. They've been saying these things for decades yet in either case the same trends persist. So far they've been wrong about everything.

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He wears big panties

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😂

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I got the impression from the OP that they were objecting to fat acceptance.

If they are fat themselves, wouldn't it be odd for them to question fat acceptance and argue in favour of fat-shaming?

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Because it's FREEEDOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

The day the Government could control what you can or can't eat, is the day good ol' American freedom ends.

*sound of hawk squeaking in the distance*

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Are you kidding? Government is the reason we use corn syrup instead of sugar, transfat margarine instead of butter, skim milk instead of whole, avoid eggs, low salt, low fat, the reason junk food is cheap, etc... Government does a lot to adulterate the food supply, but really just the scientific reccomendations are enough. People believe the Food Pyramid, and so compliance has grown every year it's been around. They track this. Diets were very different 100 years ago in terms of macronutrient ratios. The top three most consumed foods are wheat flour, corn syrup, and soybean oil. It used to be meat and potatoes.

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But you still can eat sugar instead of corn syrup IF YOU WANT TO. You also still can eat butter instead of transfat margarine IF YOU WANT TO. You can eat salad instead of junk food IF YOU WANT TO.

The Government doesn't force you to eat fried chickens. But it doesn't force you to eat vegetables too. The choice is yours.

Madness? This. Is. MURICCCAAAAA!!!!

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You might be allowed to, for now, but the government makes it both more expensive and more difficult to find. For example, you can find butter at the grocery store but good luck finding a restaurant that cooks with it. They used to.

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I'm not sure this is true. What kind of restaurants are we speaking of? I imagine your average fast food joint is simply making stuff quick and easy and cheap, but I'm not sure about Red Lobster and Olive Garden. And nice, independently owned restaurants are going to employ chefs who take pride in there food. If I think of it I might stop in a Bar and Grill or two and ask about this butter question.

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All restaurants beginning from the most commerical to the least commercial.

McDonnalds switched from beef tallow to partially hydrogenated soybean oil at the behest of health authorities in 1990. Other fast food chains followed suit shortly thereafter. Large dining chains like Olive Garden proudly promote the fact that they use rapeseed oil instead of lard. Wouldn't you expect olive oil? Rapeseed oil has begun to supplant the favorite of soybean oil probably on account of allergies, although absolutely everything on their menu still has soy on the allergen list. A funny thing is that if you look at Yelp reviews for Mexican restaurants, there are always lots of complaints about lard even though none of them actually use any. People just assume they do, and businesses work to fight the stigma, because people believe lard is bad now because it's saturated, but not nearly as saturated as coconut oil. Call any bar and grill and you'll get the exact same answer as Olive Garden across the board.

Once you get to super expensive independent restaurants, that's where you finally get some slight amount of variety. Some will use butter for some things, novelties like peanut oil or duck fat. However most still just use soybean or rapeseed, coincidentally the cheapest.

They didn't used to be. In fact rapeseed wasn't even edible in nature until a very expensive government selective breeding program cultivated it to lower the level of toxins sufficiently. Now it's industrialized and subsidized and it's everywhere. The government even used wartime rationing as an excuse to outlaw butter and get margarine into the home initially.

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"I think we're fat because the government tells us to eat the food pyramid"

America is a free country, you can eat as little as you like!

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Actually if you refused to eat i assume you would be forced into a suicide clinic.

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yeah thats true , but you wouldnt be fat :)

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Guess so :-P

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You'd be lethargic. Isn't that what we accuse fat people of?

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South Pacific islanders take the cake (pun intended) when it comes to obesity levels.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html

Obesity levels are also reaching a record high in the Middle East, due to the spread of the western lifestyle.


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American Samoa has a type2 diebetes epidemic, due to the availability of cake.
The most amputated nation on earth.

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Cakes should be made illegal!

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😆Down with the cakes! Especially that pesky devils food cake! The name says everything.

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A lot of islands have abandoned their traditional way of living/eating after WWII, which has led to obesity issues. In Paul's Theorux's book "The Happy Isles of Oceania: Paddling the Pacific" he touches on this subject quite a bit.

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When you're on top, you do what you want ... and someone always complains.
Why do you even care?

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You care because you pay for their healthcare.

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But in the case of obesity so bad that it requires health care to manage, they die young and thus end up being less of a strain on the "system" so maybe you should be encouraging people to fatten up.
Me? I manage to stay fairly trim while getting my bi-weekly food splurge. From my perspective, Americans are pretty healthy. Do you live in the South?

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I find it hard not to feel like a lot of people's quality of life is suffering, and if parents aren't instilling good habits to their kids, something has gone wrong with our culture. I saw a father eating burgers and fries with his little kids recently, made me a little sad. There were a lot of options in the food court and he essentially is encouraging his kids to choose that stuff over rice and chicken and a lot of other healthier choices.

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Seeing a father have burgers and fries with his children made you sad?

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YES !! At least a little bit. Hey, I'm just a fly on the wall, but these were little kids and not only are good eating habits instilled when you are young, but your overall health is affected. Hey, if you don't care about raising children right, that's your problem. I want kids to be smart and healthy. I won't feed YOUR kids burgers and fries every week, and they'll later call me DAD !

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"...and they'll later call me DAD !"

What?

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Sorry. I might have been a little tipsy, but i think my point was they would appreciate being taught good habits. My Dad drank a lot so I drink a lot, but we ate fairly healthy so I don't crave a lot of junk food. I know if I quit drinking I'd probably want sugar more. I've done that in the past and I still have a little bit of candy around that I ignore.

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DAD?? You got some candy?? 😆🍬🍬

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Peanut M&Ms and Raisinets. Feel like I should be in a movie theatre. AM having an afternoon beer. Most movie houses don't offer beer, and the one around here that does I haven't been to yet.

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Cheers to you and yer afternoon beer sir! I’m home having an afternoon beer myself, and watching some good ol’ merican baseball. 🥜🍻

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AnubisRaydeen makes a great point.

Notice how you never see any obese over a certain age? Because they don't exist. They have strokes and die.

No one is paying for their Medicare because they never get old enough to get Medicare.

As usual, you're peddling fake news Thrillhouse.

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I'm not sure what convo I am jumping into, but saying people who die from obesity before they reach Medicare age isn't very comforting. We should be taking care of each other, not turning our backs.

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No doubt. But it's true. Do you ever see any obese people aged 65+ ?

I don't.

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That's actually a little hard to say. What is obesity versus a manageable fatness? Sixty-five isn't all that old. I get your point and there are probably studies to back it up, but I guess I'm a little concerned about judging people poorly instead of having compassion and empathy. I was talking with a woman today who is remarkably and uncomfortably fat, while there were very attractive women about. On the one hand, I wonder how much everyone attaches to what appears obvious (very fat person v attractive women in the room) and how much the good looking chicks are actually very supportive of their coworker. I suspect it's more the latter.

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I'm not a millennium...but the fat kid was an oddity when I was in grade school and high school .
Fat kids were rare because most kids were always out of the house doing something or going somewhere. They were making it happen...not watching it happen.
Obese adults were rare too...more likely it was the chubbette Mom trying to lose a few lbs.

But people have gotten lazy and always feel they're running low on time. They don't have time to cook so they grab the fast food. They don't have time to mow their own grass so they pay someone else to. They never walk when they can drive.
But, of course, they do have the time but nothings worth doing if they can't be looking at their phone. Nothings worth doing if they don't get rewarded instantly for their efforts. Let's get rid of those nasty smoking and drinking habits and eat like there's no tomorrow..And then let's make obesity totally acceptable so everyone stays in their comfort zone.
I'm not advocating fat shaming but I'm also not advocating full acceptance. You're not doing anyone any favors with that.

To be honest I am a computer nerd so I'm not immune to modern conveniences but I learned a long time ago that incorporating activity into your daily life is as important (if not more important) then working out. I do work out but I also mow my own grass and I take the stairs and I walk when ever possible.
I work part-time at a health club and it amazes me of how many people take the elevator and hang out in the sauna hoping it will do all the work.



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Roxie, I’ve been in gyms all my adult life, and I think the average gym member spends no more than one-third of his total time in the place exercising. They sit on a weight bench—and watch TV, play with their phone, or both. They get on a stair master or treadmill—and hold onto the side railings, taking much of the work away from the target muscles, the legs! I’ll walk up to a guy who’s been on an apparatus and not moved a muscle in 5 minutes, and ask him how much more he has to do, and the answer is ALWAYS a feeble face-saving, “I have one more set.” Sure you do. Dude, if you rest more than 2 minutes between sets, you’ve lost all the benefit of doing multiple sets. I think a lot of them think that fitness is just going to get into their body by osmosis.

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He's doing max effort for strength not hypertrophy and needs 5 minutes for his CNS to recover.

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It’s 2 minutes. The Bulgarians are the strongest power lifters on the planet, and their rest interval is 2 minutes. Moreover, the kind of slug I was describing is someone I haven’t observed doing anything for 5 minutes. No one knows how long he’s just been sitting there; and his body is anything but exemplary.

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Not all of us want to be Bulgarian power lifters.

Also you sound like one of those annoying people who is always pestering me whenever I'm using a weights apparatus.

"Chum, wait your frickin' turn. If I'm still at the apparatus, it means I haven't finished"

I've had assholes (and they're usually teenagers or guys in their twenties with the typical fashy hairstyles that are so common today) ask me how long I'm going to be after I've just sat down at an apparatus, and that's after I've been patiently waiting for that particular apparatus to be free and occupying myself with floor exercises in the meantime.

And just in case you think I'm a 'feeble-face-saving five minute plus malingerer', I make sure I leave no more than 30 to 45 seconds between each set (just enough time for me to have a quick gulp of fluid and wipe any sweat off my brow). And whenever I use the treadmill, I NEVER hold onto the side railings. The a-holes who do that (often whilst sprinting at maximum speed) piss me off no end.

I do longish daily runs (i.e. between 5 and 6 Kilometres) at a fast but steady pace without holding onto the side railings.

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I hate waiting to use weight equipment. These days I'll never bother, if the equipment I want to use is occupied I'll workout on what's not being used. I don't get hung up on the order of which muscle groups I workout first. If the equipment type is the last thing left and it's occupied I use different equipment that's not occupied to workout the same muscle group. Saves a lot of time annoyingly waiting for other people to finish and rarely happens anymore anyway.

My biggest pet peeves at gyms are the people who are using weight equipment, then get up and walk away only to come back when you start using the equipment they just walked away from and insist they were in the middle of a set. Sometimes they'll point to a water bottle they've got tucked somewhere around the equipment, other times there will be nothing they leave behind to indicate they're still using it. I can't stand that.

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I agree with you on both points.

I also tend to use another piece of apparatus or focus on some other form of exercise, whilst I'm waiting for a particular set of weights. I don't stand about looming over whoever is still using the equipment as some people have done to me. Like you, I'm not particularly hung up on the order in which I use certain equipment.

And I agree that those people who act as if they have proprietary rights over a piece of gym equipment are a-holes.

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couldnt y'all avoid all those issues , and some hefty gym fees, by just having acouple of dumbells , and maybe a bench at home?

Also the outdoors is a great place to run 5 or 6 k's without holding on to the hand rails ...

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I only pay £20 a month for my gym membership.

It's more social than exercising at home or running by myself.

I do exercise at home with kettlebells, but I feel more motivated when I'm at the gym. When I'm at the gym I'm compelled to exercise, because there's nowhere to sit and lounge at the gym I go to, and I leave my phone in my locker.

Also, I do occasionally run outside, but I find it safer to run on a treadmill. I don't have to stop every time I come to a road, and I'm running on a steady surface, and so I'm less liable to have an accident. I know so many runners who train outside who have had to take days and weeks off after developing an injury from running on an unsteady surface.

Training on a treadmill helps me prepare to do marathons and 10k runs outside.

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I envy people who enjoy running in Nature. I do as well, but crap Weather, uneven surfaces, and being neither Cold nor Warm all play a factor. I like pounding it out on a treadmill because you get a lot of feedback as far as time and distance and all the other bells and whistles. And going to a gym feels like an Event, something you've paid for and want to get some bang for your buck. I'm not goofing around here - I'm getting in a workout.

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My health insurance covers my gym fees. Many providers these days do, they've found paying for gym memberships leads to less costly long term health outcomes for them. You should check with yours. Overall I just prefer going into a gym than doing it at home because for me when I go somewhere public to exercise I just find I push myself harder.

Just like if I run outside during the day with people around I use their presence to motivate me to keep pushing on, say a 7 mile run, because I'm just too self conscious of looking weak. Even if objectively I know no one is watching or cares. For this reason I can push myself much harder on day runs than in the evening.

I run outside sometimes but since I live in a city I prefer to run on treadmill because it isn't as hard on the knees. Hip and knee replacement surgeries for runners is a real thing. Treadmills help alleviate the wear and tear.

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Well good for you regarding the side railings. Me, I feel like since the ground beneath me isn't going to stop when I do, I'd like something to grab onto. Everyone is different, and maybe they don't feel as confident in their stride as you. Don't judge.

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