Do you think Cliff did it? Minor spoilers
Do you think Cliff killed his wife?
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THere didnt appear to be a harpoon in the gun.
shareWe're never told HOW she dies.
You are correct. The spear gun isn't loaded.
On the other hand, he does give her a pretty intense look as she's berating him.
I'd like to think he didn't... but he never seems unduly bothered about the murder accusations whenever it's brought up in front of him.
"he never seems unduly bothered about the murder accusations whenever it's brought up in front of him."
This is a really good observation and possibly the biggest contributor to Booth's manliness. It's not that he doesn't need to to prove his innocence, he doesn't want too... It's almost like he is carrying a burden, not because he is guilty. But rather because the burden enables his to have a more humble/realistic outlook on life (a romantic/mysterious/magic one)... He isn't killing ppl left and right, not because he can't. But rather because he can(he took on that dangerous possibility), but will not do it... That is true sacrifice/manliness
[ ] could there be other reasons for not getting away with innocence is essential??? (maybe because when you try to make it look like you are not stealing, you look like you are stealing... Same with trying to prove innocence... **When you have something to hide, like try to watch a movie (you try to make do with devices of man), you do not rely on divine Mercy... Refer to txt message)**
Manly work is not glamorous (for there is nothing to prove), there is also no reward to see at the end of hard and risky work. The hidden/humble stuntman has only a silver bullet to bite and make it happen, without any reward or recognition... Because any reward or recognition would kill the magic of the underdog/lead (that audiences are lead to believe, has superpowers). Thats why you do not try to prove your innocence/softness because the life you live is lethal if immodest/exposed... (you become the antichrist/daddy/beast)
But it is his stunt double that is his divine intervention,
and to do that kind of work is manly...
This reminds me of Christ
A stuntman needs a dangerous rumor to be reminded of to remember that he is capable (has the power for) great/explosive evil, and needs to be careful, and keep his room clean and put in order. He is not a saint by default, and in this way is not free/innocent from murder/explosions... that are needed when performing stunts (magical acts of divine intervention that cannot overpower and kill the actors/scene) for this reason he cannot carelessly expect his powers to be hidden if his room is a mess... For Power is alive
No.
shareI don't think so.
Potentially less minor spoilers below...
The rest of the movie shows a guy who's pretty reserved. He never really flies off the handle and his violence is always meted out towards people who "deserve it". That's in quotes because the Manson Family hasn't really done anything awful in the movie's world yet. They threaten, but Pitt's response seems...disproportionate to simply having a gun pointed at him. That said, the movie knows we know about he Manson Family, so when Pitt and DiCaprio hurt them, we don't have a problem with it and I don't think it's supposed to reflect back on Cliff.
I don't think his reaction was really disproportionate. Tarantino made it look extremely gory, but Cliff really didn't do much besides defend himself.
3 people broke into his house. One with a gun and two with knives. He waits until he feels absolutely threatened and sicks the dog on the gun holder. Then a chick starts running at him, screaming while holding a knife and he takes her down. Another one stabs him in the process and he finishes her off. I'd say he was mostly justified by self defense.
The only excessive part was maybe slamming that chick's head off the phone, wall and countertop 75 times. But that was hilarious, so I'll let it slide.
Well...and then there's the one in the pool...
shareTo be fair, that wasn't Cliff. Lol
shareRight. I was thinking of just the general response to the invaders at that point and got a bit off-topic.
But even the way that the violence isn't just "he beats them up" but rather, "he caves in one teenage girl's face."
I appreciate it for its Tarantino comic violence qualities, I'm just saying that it is a bit much for the level of threat he's dealing with.
"response seems...disproportionate to simply having a gun pointed at him."
There is nothing simple about having a gun pointed at you, and there is no response disproportionate to it.
I mean how brutally he disposes of every single one of them long after they can be considered threats anymore.
But, you're right, an initial counterattack to having a gun pointed at your face is pretty no-holds-barred.
The overkill was due to him tripping on acid and facing a bunch of maniac hippies at the same time.
He knew he had seen those freaks at the ranch months before and had caught the creepy vibe from them. Then they show up at Rick’s house armed with knives and a firearm saying they are there to do the devil’s work. He’s tripping his ass off so yeah, he goes into overkill mode.
Leo tells Kurt Russell "he's a war hero" and that's why Russell agrees to hire him. Earlier in the film, Leo calls Brad "Audie Murphy" -- Murphy was one of(or THE) most decorated WWII hero...but he did it by killing a lot of people.
In 1969, Cliff is old enough to have served in WII or Korea -- and he's a war hero. So he killed a lot of people. And now, like a lot of military men who killed a lot of people -- he is trying to remain cool, calm, and collected in modern life.
But when things go rough...Cliff knows how to fight(with Bruce Lee) and to kill (with the Mansons.)
As to killing the wife....did Robert Wagner kill Natalie Wood? It hangs over HIS head in real life.
No, or at least probably not. But also he doesn't care what anyone else thinks and he's quite happy to let the story stand.
shareOh yes.
shareNo, but he doesn't care what people think.
He doesn't defend himself because he knows people believe what they want to believe..but if you watch the movie Cliff never comes across as irrational or one to fly off the handle like that. He always seems in control.
Murdering someone for no reason other than they are unpleasant goes against Cliffs more logical nature.
Quite possibly. Cliff is capable of extraordinary violence but he only unleashes it when provoked. Bruce Lee picked a fight with him, the hippie at the ranch burst his tire, the hippies at the end tried to kill him and his friends, and his wife? Well she was spitting venom at him for no good reason on the boat. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ‘silenced’ her. She was baiting him pretty hard.
I doubt he intended to kill her but it’s possible he hit or pushed her and she knocked her head on something. He educated Bruce Lee on manslaughter so maybe he’s had direct experience...