Columbo is a liar


Why was he always acting like he befriended his suspects?
Obviously that was his strategy to get them, to be a fake friend.
So doesn't that make him a phoney?

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Columbo was different that other detectives in that he was very approachable and friendly rather than formal except when it was called for like when dealing with a friend or relative of the victim. He showed that you can be polite and civil even to a murderer, no matter if you sympathize with them or not. Politeness and being civil does not always equal befriending someone. There were some suspects that he was nice to but in the end he basically told them that he did not like them and what they did was horrible. They way he treated all people I think had the audience even more angry or disappointed with the killer because Columbo had been so nice and polite to them that they should have not kept lying to them.

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I don't know. I guess I am too obvious and direct. But if I am pretendin to be friendly, I feel like a phoney.

It is nice that he is nice, but I wish now and then he showed some truer emotions against these evil bastards.

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Don't pretend to be friendly. Be friendly until there is a reason to not be friendly. Columbo was friendly to any criminal that he understood why they did what they did, even though it was wrong. With criminals he strongly suspected were guilty and did not at all find sympathy with them, he was friendly to them until he exposed them. Then, he let them know the friendliness was done. Think of the example of a parent dealing with a child or an adult dealing with a loved one who has done something wrong. Many are friendly even though the child or adult has done something very wrong. But depending on the reason the wrong was done, the parent or adult might stay friendly or stop being friendly once the wrongdoer knows they have been caught.

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What is a phoney?

That appears to be a deliberate misspelling.

"It is nice that he is nice, but I wish now and then he showed some truer emotions against these evil bastards."

2 episodes come to mind where Columbo loses his cool and gets very angry with a suspect he knows is guilty.

A Stitch in Crime

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069900/?ref_=nm_flmg_eps_tt_1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBh9P_SbkL8

An Exercise in Fatality

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072802/?ref_=nm_flmg_eps_tt_1

Usually he kept his cool though.

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phoney:
adj -not genuine; fraudulent.
noun -a fraudulent person or thing.

thanks for the links. Cheers!

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Well in this alternate universe where a cop only goes after rich celebrities and never wears a gun or uniform yes. But even in our real world of crooked cops it's okay to lie to a suspect. The main issue is in every episode the suspect does everything they possibly can to get caught. If they didn't want to they'd remain silent and contact an attorney. Instead they keep talking until Columbo nails them!

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Most of them play innocent, thus act like they want to help him.
Also he seems friendly and innocuous, and they usually have a great plot to cover up, so they feel safe in talking to this dummy.
But he is like an assassin bug, pretending to be trapped in a spider web only to lure the stupid spider out and catch him. What a bastard!

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He does not 'pretend to be their friend'. He is friendly and affable with his suspects, but he does not befriend them.

Your whole argument makes no sense. You think a cop should always divulge information to their suspects while trying to build a case? Thereby possibly jeopardising the case by revealing evidence that could encourage the suspect to ensure they cover their tracks, and more importantly letting the suspect know that they are indeed a suspect.

And this tactic has been used in crime detection for hundreds of years, and has been done in films and TV ad nauseum.

Quite why you are singling out Columbo for this is bizarre.

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Yeah...

OP would be horrified with Goren from Law & Order: Criminal Intent.

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"Your whole argument makes no sense."

you got that right.
it makes no sense in several ways

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I think Heisenberg is just resentful because it has no friends.

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Yeah he was a phoney. Gonna cry about it snowflake.

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Only one crying about anything on MC is you, cunt.

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Awww. Is it your monthlies again?

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"Why was he always acting like he befriended his suspects?"

Because he hopes they'll slip up and reveal way more information than they would otherwise.

"So doesn't that make him a phoney?"

As far as we know, only in his interactions with murderers while on the job, which I don't really have a problem with. The only thing that kind of bothers me is that none of them ever see through him, he's so transparant.

You mentioned Sherlock Holmes, who constantly deceives people by dressing up and pretending to be someone else, to try and gain access to their home for example. He even lies to his best friend Watson!

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I don't even care or think about it that way.

The way I see it, is that Columbo asks the suspects questions that EXPOSE the holes and houses of cards in the suspects' story. This renders the suspect even more suspicious, when and if they can't give him a plausible answer.

Sometimes, even when the suspects comes up with a 'plausible answer', he does so in such a way that either digs a deeper hole by rendering other parts of the story impossible, or shows by the reaction that they are swearing internally as well as externally. Even if they give a technically 'good answer', the WAY they give that answer is still very revealing. Innocent entity wouldn't nervously sweat profusely or become so irritated or anxious about a simple question.

The brilliance of Columbo is, that even when the answer is technically good, the suspect's BEHAVIOUR reveals everything anyway, and the suspect can't be sure if that happened or not, which adds to the nervousness / anxiety / irritation.

In the end, this is a TV show, which aims to ENTERTAIN the viewer. Columbo certainly succeeds in doing that. The Shatner episodes, for example, don't make a whole lot of sense, and are SO obvious, Shatner always digs his own hole almost without resistance in the 'detective' episode, switching from 'suspicious murderer' to 'helpful TV detective' role and all - and yet, the episode is marvellously entertaining and deserves applause and praise.

Not because it's the most intelligent and plausible episode that makes the most sense, but because it's a brilliantly CHARMING and ENTERTAINING episode that provides lots of laughs, fun, great expressions from both actors (Peter Falk and William Shatner, of course), and you can just enjoy the episode almost from the start to end.

Even when the episode doesn't make sense or the murderer practically gives up and it's no challenge (the dog+phone-episode comes to mind), it can still be very entertaining and fun to watch.

That makes this show so sublime.

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There are many things to consider here.

First, Columbo as a human being, as a man, as a cop. Those are separate 'personalities', if you wish, and he is free to utilize any of them at any time, and change hats, if he wishes.

Second, compare the crime of lying against the crime of murdering. To lie a little to get a murderer off the streets is a small crime compared to murdering someone, and possibly doing it again. It's better for the society at large, other people, the world, and perhaps even the murderer himself that Columbo lies, when the end result is that there's one fewer murdering psychos loose in the world.

Third, behaviour is not lying. You are simplifying things greatly. He has a JOB to do as a cop, but he's not always talking to the suspects as a cop (even though he's on duty), but he expresses his humanity, and his 'man-ness' (I am sure this is not a word, but you try to come up with something fitting).

I think Columbo's gift is that he CAN be genuinely interested in the details of the story, almost to the point of obsession, so he CAN become actually good at some hobby or whatnot. He CAN become legitimately fascinated by how a movie projector works, or how some technology works, so he's not lying. He truly IS curious, and he does learn the skills and knowledge beyond normal police work (his knowledge of wines, for example) and so on.

Who is to say he doesn't enjoy all this more than he should? As long as he gets the crook behind bars, what harm is there in indulging in wine knowledge or classical music?

He's not 'befriending' anyone, and there are no false premises per se. The suspects all KNOW he is a cop and that he is working on the case, he's not hiding any facts. He even openly yells at the suspects if he feels like it. He wouldn't DO that, if he was 'lying', as you say, now would he? And if you think he would, why would he blow his cover by doing that?

If you are saying he has a temper, you are killing your own claim, by the way.

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Someone with fiery temper could _NOT_ consistently 'lie' (as you put it) to people he KNOWS are murderers. He would be flying off the handle over and over and thus he would have no credibility as a 'friend'.

Instead of 'befriending' the suspects, I think you mean that he actually 'lets them believe he's a bumbling fool with no clue about who the murderer really is', when in reality, he often knows very early on who the murderer is, and is just engaging in a cat-and-mouse game to get the murderer to slip up, confess or not have an answer to a question he asks, rendering them extremely suspicious indeed, and often making them confess.

His methods may be unusual, but I wouldn't consider anything he does 'lying' per se. Is a cop lying when he goes undercover? I mean, obviously, he/she is, but I would say an undercover cop is much more of a liar than Columbo has ever shown to have been.

Yet, it's just considered policework, just another method of catching the evil people so justice can be done.

Columbo is not SAYING he is clueless, doesn't suspect them, doesn't know this or that. He just leads the suspects to BELIEVE he is, he doesn't, and he doesn't. That's not Columbo's fault, if the suspects start believing something Columbo never even talked about.

Columbo just has an extremely likable personality that everyone can relate to - you could say due to him being rather poor and dressing in dirty rags, driving a barely functional, obsolete car, that people, even the suspects, might actually feel a bit sorry for him. You can't seriously expect somoene you feel sorry for to suddenly outplay you or be a brilliant detective that can put you behind bars.

All Columbo is really doing, is behaving in a way that makes people drop their guards, while asking them really tough questions about things that don't make sense IF the suspect's story is true, and so on.

He's fooling people, but he's not technically lying, at least for the most part.

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This IS an interesting thing to think about, though, because it really opens up a can of worms about boundaries, social behaviour, faking opinions and using 'stylistic behaviour' for certain purposes.

For example, when we think about parasocial stuff, like those 'AV websites' (as Koreans call them), there's a lot of grey area about how real or how honest the performers should be, and how honest and how real they actually are. I mean, even women using make-up is a form of visual lying, or at least faking. People don't condemn using make-up, but people condemn verbal lying for some reason, although it's the same thing, just in a different form.

So if some asian 'AV performer' acts all cutesy and talks in a giggly way (giggline every 5 seconds or so in an identical way to every other such performer, for example), is it lying or faking, and should such faking or lying be banned?

What about cosplaying and theater? People lie there, too. What about Peter Falk pretending to be Columbo, isn't that lying, too?

When you go down this road, where does it all end, where do you draw the line? Some 'AV performers', as well as hollyweird actors, can be so convincing, you can't help but believe that's how they really are. But are they really like that, or is it just really, REALLY good acting?

You can truly never really know. With actor celebrities, it's easy to know because they're public figures and there are interviews and other movies they star in. But with an 'AV performer', just like Columbo, it's impossible to know where the 'faked personality' ends and the 'real self' begins.

Perhaps Columbo himself doesn't even know anymore - he may have immersed himself to that role so deeply that he has become the role for real, at least partially. It's like the age-old question, where does the dance end and the dancer begin, or vice versa, and how do you separate the two?

(My answer would be quite literal; dance is the action/activity, dancer is the performer that's doing it)

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avortac, just answering the last of the millions points you raised (some valid, some less).
I draw the line exactly here:
Columbo is a cop. He is there to find who did it.
He has a clear strategy to achieve that: acting as a bumbling idiot, a friendly bumbling idiot, to gather more information that way. It works perfectly (and it's a great show to watch).
But he still IS lying.
Another investigator, like Sherlock Holmes, could do the exact same job and always treat the suspect with distance, disdain and superiority. He is NOT lying.

I'm not saying that Columbo is necessarily right or wrong, I'm just pointing out what he is doing.
In my opinion, his lying is an interesting side of the show that is NEVER really explored, that maybe deserved more attention. The show just plays it to illustrate how smart he truly is to behave like this, but I think there is a morality (or lack of it) to it that goes deeper.

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Part of Columbo's schtick is to make himself look a lot more bumbling than he actually is. Everything from the way he dresses in cheap suits and a dirty coat, and comes in with scruffy hair, or an unshaven chin is part of that persona. The villains often assume he's idiotic and they'll get one over on him easily. Though Columbo is smart, and could probably solve a lot of crimes through wit, your opponent underestimating you can definitely be a strong advantage.

I think in "befriending" them, this is part of it. He'll turn up, ask them a few asinine questions, then take an interest in what they're doing. That throws the person he is interrogating off, because they think the interrogation is over, or that Columbo isn't really paying attention. If Columbo was talking to an art collector, then spent ten minutes blabbing on about a painting on the wall, and how much his wife would like it, then turns round and *bam* asks them a killer question like he was something he almost forgot to ask, the criminal he's pursuing is often less likely to have some slick answer to throw him off the scent.

Also, though, I think there are some episodes where he truly respects the talent or work that the criminal does. Some episodes he even seems sad that he has to send them down. But murderers can't go free.

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Good post, all true.
I agree with all of it, including Columbo's respect for some of the murderers's ingenuity.

I understand all of it, and love the show and the character for his talent at masking himself and his tactics.
But I feel that a fake friend is a fake friend, even more so if he is just faking it to totally bust you for life.
So, I also respect Columbo for his ingenuity, but I have to point out how he is still, afterall, a liar.

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You are trying to make sense of the Heroic Smart television frontman written by the most devious minds in known History

They can't help to configure their characters that way be it deliberately of subconsciously but the sneaky man who preys on other people's ignorance has been a very profitable business since 1945.

The Big Lebowski which is widely adored is in fact just another treatise mocking the very people who lap this shit up, or as Tyler Durden Said, fat people buying their fat asses back.

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Who is the most devious minds in known History?

How is The Big Lebowski mocking the very people who lap this shit up?

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If i have to tell you that then you aren't ready for the conversation

Have you ever noticed that everyone's a 'Rat' they know how to write that character so very fluidly

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