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Most overrated movie in history?


3,5 hours (!) of old men sitting down talking or shuffling around trying to act way younger than they are, with terrible cgi making them look weird at times instead of younger in any meaningful way and works mostly just as an annoying distraction.

Love Pacino in many movies, but here he just overacts badly and only seem believable as the great guy he portrays in glimpses. De Niro has had a long slow decline in his career, and this is really the bottom of the barrel. Nice to see Pesci again, but he is just waaay to old, and there were no scenes were he didn't look too old - except from in the very end, where he just seems to old again lol

Overall this was just 3,5 loooong painfully boring hours. Just hilarious that this garbage is being hailed as a masterpiece by the mindless sheep out there.

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Sorry your attention span was too short, maybe you should just stick to Marvel movies.

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THE OP GAVE A WELL WORDED REPRESENTATION OF THEIR OPINION...YOU COUNTERED WITH SNIDE PUTDOWNS...MIGHT WANNA RETHINK HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF.

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I will not, instead I will just be happy that Hollywood is still producing quality films.

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Kowalski types in all caps to make up for his 3-incher.

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ACROSS.

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YOU HAVE A 3-INCH CLITORIS?

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I WAS ONCE AWARDED A WEEK LONG BAN FOR USING THAT WORD....AWW MEMORIES.

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Banned by somebody who was grumpy at their lack of access to said organ, no doubt.

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So what greatness in this snoozefest is it you think I missed? The dialogue were they use wiseguy language and looks speaks danger, which has been done to death countless times now in basically all the mafia-movies and Scorsese himself? The old wrinkled faces trying to act 50 years younger than they are ruined that for me here as well. Other things?

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The fact that you need me to explain this to you proves my point.

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I agree with you but seriously... why do you write all caps exlusively? It is just so... inappropriate. It literally is like you'd YELL during a normal conversation. Considering you remind people how they conduct themselves... maybe take your own advice here?
(You were still right about that idiot though)

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IM WITH YOU.

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I disagree. It was an excellent film, with great performances. I didn't find it boring at all. The Irishman is a masterpiece and not overrated at all.

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Yeah? Great performances?
Like the Oscar-worthy beat-up scene at the grocery store?
Really?
What movie did you watch?
Let me rephrase: Did you actually watch the movie or did you just copy/paste the hilariously overblown hype the press gave this movie? It's like no one dares to say the performances were weak because they talk Hollywood legends, same for Scorsese.

Get real.

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Of course I watched the movie and I stand by my original comments. The performances are great. If I thought they sucked, I would say so. The scene at the grocery store was just one small part of the movie. You can't judge the entire performance based on one short scene.

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It was also just one small example.
You have your opinion and that's fine.

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What?? Seriously? So now someone can't genuinely like this movie? What is this?

You are entitled to your opinion, but I legitimately think it's a great movie and don't think that I deserve to be called an idiot for it.

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First of all, I did not call you an idiot.
Second, I said in a post in the same tree: "You have your opinion and that's fine."

So what the fuck are you even on about!?

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You were still right about that idiot though

Basically, the only thing the guy did "wrong" was liking the movie.. 🙄

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You: "but I legitimately think it's a great movie and don't think that >I< deserve to be called an idiot for it."
Me: "First of all, I did not call >you< an idiot."
Also you: "Basically, the only thing >the guy< did "wrong" was liking the movie.. 🙄"

And yes I called him(!) an idiot for "liking a movie". You got that so right. You should become a detective, crime would just smother under your sharp mind!

Here is the quote that is the reason why I actually called him an idiot:
"Sorry your attention span was too short, maybe you should just stick to Marvel movies."

The OP did not simply smash the movie like a mouth-breathing teenager saying "it suxx duh!", he explained his position and reasoning. Then this IDIOT came along with this shitty dismissive and most importantly uncalled for remark that contained ZERO substance, ZERO arguments and ZERO constructiveness.

Now explain to me why I am the bad guy here!?

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Okay, yeah, I see why you would say that. However, he didn't even start this war, op did.

Here's op:

Just hilarious that this garbage is being hailed as a masterpiece by the mindless sheep out there .


OP insulted people who liked the movie right from the beginning. So it wasn't like he was totally innocent and didn't deserve any comeback.

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"However, he didn't even start this war, op did."

And what exactly do I have to do with any of that?
The actual sentence you were looking for was "sorry, I must have mixed things up and wrongly accused you."

No problem...

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What's the point of topics like this? If you didn't like it you didn't like it. Why do we have to use such silly words as overrated to try to make our opinions stand out from lots of other peoples? I'll never understand this way of thinking.

I myself enjoyed many scenes in this film.I didn't even notice how long the movies length was going because I was too busy being invested in what was going on in the story. With that said I give the film as 8 out of 10. Would have been a 10 out of 10 if they could have did better with the de-aging but oh well.

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I think the OP is just trying to be cool

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THE OP EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION WELL...OVERRATED IS A FAIR CALL...FOR EVERY PERSON WHO THINKS IT A MASTERPIECE,THERE IS A PERSON LIKE THE OP OR MYSELF WHO THOUGHT IT WAS LONG,BORING AND YES....OVERRATED...THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY DOES THE OP'S OPINION MAKE YOU GUYS SO DEFENSIVE AND ANGRY?

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NO ONE IS BEING DEFENSIVE OR ANGRY, WELL CERTAINLY NOT ME. HENCE WHY I SAID "IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT, YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT". I JUST DON'T SEE THE POINT IN THE WORD OVERRATED NEEDING TO BE USED. OH WELL.....moving on now.

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ALRIGHTY...ENJOY YOURSELF.

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I WILL...THANKS.

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But what if the word "overrated" perfectly fits?
So we can't use it anymore because it annoys you?
Get a grip.

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Just because it "perfectly fits" to you doesn't mean it does to other people such as myself. Which is why I questioned it in this conversation, not demanding anyone here not to use it like you're foolishly saying. but hey, you're going to see things the way you choose to seem them.

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"Just because it "perfectly fits" to you doesn't mean it does to other people such as myself. Which is why I questioned it in this conversation, not demanding anyone here not to use it like you're foolishly saying."
That's a lot of words without saying anything.
Again, here is what you said before:
"Why do we have to use such silly words as overrated to try to make our opinions stand out from lots of other peoples?"

And I said:
"But what if the word "overrated" perfectly fits?"
Answering your actually silly question as to "why people use this term".
You have your answer and you still look for discourse... yet you try to blame me of seeing things the way I want to.

At least it's amusingly ironic.

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Uh huh, well I still don't agree with the silliness of the word but hey, life goes on. Adios.

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What's the point of any topic discussing movies then? Calling overrated a silly word just because we have different opinions is rather...eh...silly.

Good for you that you enjoyed the movie. I made this topic to express my opinion and write something to get out a bit of the frustration of having wasted 3,5 hours of my life. All because I saw this because "everyone" was hailing this as some masterpiece. Thus: Overrated.

Is it possible that your opinion of this movie is influenced by everyone calling it great and that it is supposed to be good because of the great director and the great actors in it? You say you enjoyed "many" scenes in this movie and that only the de-aging cgi kept it from being a 10/10. To me thats a contradiction right there. If I saw a GREAT movie adjectives like "amazing", "fantastic" and such are used to describe it, and (most of the time) no scenes are bad really - because the sum of it all is so good. For sure "I enjoyed many scenes" would be me grasping for straws when my date asked if I liked one of her favourite movies, when I didn't really like it very much.

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Actually no its not possible. What influenced me to watch it was simply the idea of Pacino, DeNiro and Pesci being in a movie together, and I thought they all delivered their roles fine.

Not sure why you think my opinion of the de-aging kept from being a 10 out of 10 is so wrong. It was just that distracting for me, and took away from what the film was trying to do in those scenes. They clearly wanted us to believe that Robert DeNiro was young again, but it didn't look believable at all imo so it was a big distraction. Look at Michael Douglas's de aging scene in Ant man. That was f'n Amazing. Anyway 8 out of 10 is still a good rating.

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Well, because one can (and this was the case for me) like a movie and still think it's overrated. That it was so long sometimes gave it a plodding feel, and it (to me) would have been a better movie if shorter and tighter. That (to me) makes it overrated.
(I know, I'm late to the topic here.)

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i don't see how it's too long unless you're sitting there looking at the time every so often. I didn't do that once cause I was too busy just enjoying the story from start to finish.

I don't see how anything you said there makes it overrated. Movie reviews are all about the reasons why each individual went into the movie and how each of us feels about it coming out of it. So someone liking it more than you or whoever else isn't them overrating it at all, but just simply them liking it more for their reasons. Still a 8 out of 10 for me.

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So if they were younger, your opinion of the movie changes? That’s what I’m gathering. You talk about the “old men” and the “shuffling around”, and Pesci is “way too old”. Yeah, great argument against this film. They were so old and terrible that they were nominated for Oscars.

I don’t know if you know this, but you’re going to be old someday too. And I don’t know if you know this either, but if you don’t like it, then don’t watch it. And mindless sheep? What the fuck do you know?

Glad you’re in the minority. This was my favorite movie of 2019. It was amazing, and these “old” people made an unbelievably entertaining, brilliantly acted, and heartbreaking film, better than most “young” people could ever dream of.

So yeah, I disagree with everything you wrote, except yes, they are all old. You can go back to watching The Rise of Skywalker, Shazam, and Sonic The Hedgehog now.

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LMAO...ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION...WHY DOES SOMEONE ELSE NOT LIKING THE IRISHMAN MAKE ME SO ANGRY AND BELIGERANT?

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It's strange isn't it? Like I'm hitting a nerve or something. Have been insulted by three different posters just for saying my opinion here.

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THE IRISHMAN AND JOKER ARE BOTH RAW NERVE TOPICS...INSPIRING THE MOST RABID OF RESPONSES TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SUNSHINE.

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Rabid responses? A little dramatic, aren’t you? I don’t think you know what a rabid response is, you just fan the flames of your buddy.

You would make a great host of one of those crappy tabloid gossip shows, like “Entertainment Tonight” or TMZ the way you embellish people’s responses to a post on a film you don’t like.

Of course, the joke is on me, as I’m talking about wondering why someone is being dramatic, when they have to type in all caps on every post to try and get attention, so I shouldn’t be too surprised that you say a simple reply is “rabid, angry, or belligerent.”

I could also bust out a question I already know the answer to...why are you constantly on a message board for a film you don’t even like?

Yeah, you know why.

Have a good day ALL CAPS guy.

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YOU SEEM TO THINK YOURE MAKING A LOT OF SENSE....YOURE NOT...I WAS HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT CAME UP ON THE LATEST POSTS PAGE...WHAT I SAID IS TRUE...THE IRISHMAN AND THE JOKER ARE HOT BUTTON TOPICS...YOU MENTION EITHER IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT AND PEOPLE LIKE...WELL,YOURSELF SHOW UP TO WHITE KNIGHT THE NAUGHTY "GREAT MOVIE HATERS" INTO SHAME...

IT WAS SUPER CUTE HOW YOU TRYED TO "DRAMA" MY POST UP.

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Way to play the victim. You fit right into this era of society.

I bit on your post, like you wanted, but instead of actually discussing anything with me, you (the person who called fans of the film “mindless sheep”, yeah, you’re so innocent giving your opinion) go right into victim mode. Oh no, I was just giving my sweet little opinion, and then people were mean to me. Give me a break.

Yes, when you attack a movie you don’t like, you are going to get people who defend that film...just like ANY other film...are you 10 years old? As much as you blame the film for being crappy, using the argument “they are all old”, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were 10.

You’re allowed to insult the film, and people are allowed to defend it. You called fans of the film mindless sheep, so they take a jab back. Do you not know how this works?

Anyways, you got me to bite, well done. But I don’t think you are worth discussing a film with, saying shit like “This movie sucks, because they are, like, totally old...and stuff.”

Have a good day.

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"instead of actually discussing anything with me" - I tried, if you take a look further down here. But you rather discuss person over the movie, right?

Anyway, I have to say; You rather sound like the 10 year old here mate. I am probably old enough to be your father, and believe me: I am very well aware of getting older!

Without this making me like this movie any more. Am I supposed to like it more to show support to Pesci, De Niro and Pacino, just because they are closing in on 80?

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You don’t have to like the film. Just don’t act like you are being insulted after you call people who support the film mindless sheep. You should expect a few jabs back at you after that.

And yes, sorry about missing your second post below.

I’m not against anyone disliking a film, hell, I’m not even against people arguing and insulting each other. I think it can be fun. Lol.

I loved The Irishman, so I like to debate people who say it sucks. Simple as that. I enjoy doing that with every film I like, or, sometimes I’m in your position and I like to bash a film I don’t like.

Side question...away from any of this “Irishman” talk...are you Australian?

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Fair enough. I guess "midless sheep" deserves some jabs. Still think calling people 10 year olds and "stick to marvel-movies" kind of arguments are unnecessary hostile attemts at declaring intellectual superiority.

Nah. Australia would be pretty much on the other side of the globe from here. Why do you think I'm an Aussie?

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You said “mate”. That was it, haha.

I certainly don’t try to declare intellectual superiority. We’re talking about films, not astrophysics. I just like to make my point, and throw a few jabs here and there along the way if I feel like I need to. Haha.

Honestly, nothing personal. Take care.

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I have no idea if the movie would be better if they were younger. Impossible to say really, isn't it? I have no problem with them being old in general. But old people should play roles fitting for old people. Seriously, watching De Niro trying to look young with a spring in his step mostly made me afraid that he would fall and break his hip. It just failed miserably. This just makes the whole experience feel unauthentic. I feel it affected their acting overall too.

Btw I haven't watched any of these movies you mention. Actually have just heard of the Star Wars one..

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It would have been better if made 20 years ago.

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BEST ANSWER IVE SEEN.^

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It's not overrated. It didn't win any oscars. Yes, it is too long, but very watchable and interesting especially in the second half. The climax was good as well. The best movie of all time? No. Is it a great movie? Yes.

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It's not the most overrated movie in history. A lot of people love it, a lot of people thought as you did - boring - so on balance I don't think we can call that overrated. Can we? I guess it depends on what "overrated" means. According to who's rating?

Maybe that's semantic, but I'll also take a counter-point to your evaluation of the film. I'm in the "loved it" camp.

Three point five hours is a non-starter here because if the content is good, I'll sit for a lot longer. I happily watch Lord of the Rings films in their extended editions, or Once Upon a Time in America, Lawrence of Arabia, Apocalypse Now!...lots of movies are long, but excellent. Ben-Hur is a great example. Because I like The Irishman, I was down for 3.5 hours.

I think everybody's acting was great. This is Pacino's best performance in years (decades?) and I'm not sure where you're getting overacting from. He's bombastic in his speeches, but in the quieter scenes with DeNiro, he's quieter, subtler, and powerful. The car ride scene? In the hotel room? This is Pacino at the top of his game again. Okay, maybe not "top" (Godfather, Dog Day Afternoon) but it's up there.

You make a good point that they're old. I was able to suspend my disbelief. I didn't find it that distracting. A little of a bump at first, but I got used to it.

The story is good, the direction is superb (give me this point at least), the performances sucked me in, and the ending...! It sticks the landing like few other gangster movies ever have, driving home the foolishness of a life dedicated to evil and how that strips away everything that makes life worth living in the first place.

So, I think it's a wonderful film.

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I agree. The movie was trash. Time to find new young Pacino Deniro Peshi type actors. Put a fork in em, these has-beens are DONE!

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You kids have no brain, even less soul, but massive egos. The fact that you think you’re even fit to comment on the work of Scorsese, Pacino, De Niro is laughable.

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The Oscars agreed. This movie is such a snore fest, I already forgot the name.

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Of course not, the film features almost exclusively white males and the Oscars have long since become a woke joke where you ‘win’ for either being a minority or for making a film that shoves the most SJW dogma down the throats of the audience. It stopped being about talent long ago.

To not win an Oscar is now a badge of honour for any film or filmmaker.

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If NOT to win is such a badge of honor, then why did Scorsese, Pacino, De Niro all attend the Oscars? You can't have it both ways. Either they honor it, or they don't.

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Quite simply because the film was nominated for many awards, and they were obliged to attend. Even if it hadn’t been, industry legends are welcome to attend the Oscars.

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Obliged to attend because they were nominated, but not being nominated is a badge of honor? Yeah, ok riiiight.

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Who are you quoting there? I said not winning an Oscar is a badge of honour now that the Oscars are discredited woke bullshit. That doesn’t change the fact that nominees are obliged to attend and that industry legends tend to show up on the night.

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The nominations were just to get these so called industry legends to appear at the event. They should all retire, and let the new generation shine. They are done, and need to head to the retirement home.

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If the ‘new generation’ were any good or able to shine then perhaps, but Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino, Pesci etc wipe the floor with the talentless woke agenda kids that Hollywood forces on us now. We need the old timers more than ever, to show how it’s done and actually give audiences quality films that don’t insult the intelligence.

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Ok Boomer :-)

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Not a boomer but no worries - someone had to educate you. In future try to cultivate some taste and develop a higher IQ, then you’ll be able to appreciate decent films and won’t embarrass yourself with the kind of brainfarts you’ve sprayed all over this thread.

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I see what you're saying, but in this case it doesn't really apply. The movie was dull, and had no suspense whatsoever. The way it was filmed, showing them old at the start, we already know Deniro and Pesci both survive in the end. Also, their acting game is way off. It would be like watching Mike Tyson do a heavyweight fight at his age now. Sure he was good in his day, but watching him box now is not something anyone wants. It's the same thing here. These men had their day in the sun, there's no doubt about it. I like all the old movies, but this one just felt forced. Yes, there comes a point where age affects ones ability to perform, and that's just a fact of life. People get old. I'm sorry you can't see it, but this movie was sub par at best. If the next generation wants to learn from them, let them watch all the old great movies they made in the past. We don't need them taking up anymore screen time with drivel like (forgot the name).

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You watching this film is like a VHS player trying to process a blu-ray, you simply lack the wetwear required to appreciate it. The performances were uniformly excellent, it’s De Niro’s best in 20 years, and Pesci delivered a career-highpoint, and has been widely praised for doing so.

His character is not seen alive during the present day as De Niro’s was, concealing his fate until the end of the film - clearly this went over your head.

As for De Niro, his survival is key to the film, which is how his life of brutality and mass murder left him hollowed out and abandoned by everyone.

So yeah, the film was simply designed for people with more intelligence and sensitivity than you.

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What? NO, they were driving their wives around together as old men at the start of the movie. It's you that didn't pay attention I guess. And, yes, as people get really old, they are NOT as sharp as their younger years. This is a FACT OF LIFE. Sorry, but you lose again.

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Idiot. The whole driving sequence was a flashback, the ‘present day‘ is De Niro narrating from his nursing home. Pay attention to the film before trying to comment on it.

Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino and Pesci are not only sharper than your dumbass self, but they have more talent in one hair on their respective old man ballsacks than you could ever dream of having. You’re neither fit to watch, nor comment on, The Irishman.

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They were old in the driving scene, so flashback or not, the scene took place after MOST of the main events of the film. This gives away, that both of them will survive all the way up to that point. Sorry, but you lose AGAIN! Wow, you're really making this too easy. Oh, and your claim that old people never lose their edge? Tahhahahahaha!!! YOU LOST, AND CANNOT ADMIT IT!!! Bwhahahaha!! Deniro and Pesci played the same characters as they have in countless other films like Goodfellas and Casino. It's all been done before, and their pathetic attempts to look younger using CGI is sad. They need to learn how to go out on a high note, and just retire already.
LOSER!! L.O.S.E.R!!!!!!

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Your combination of smugness and chronic stupidity does you no favours. I’m embarrassed for you.

Watch the film again - they were vastly younger during the driving sequences which were well before the present day narration, so Pesci’s fate was a mystery 🤦🏻‍♂️

De Niro played against type as a low status, stuttering simpleton, and Pesci played against type as a high status, mind mannered mafia Don. Again, how do you manage to be so fucking dense and yet so smug about it at the same time?

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You're feeding right into the palm of my hand! That is my point! They were supposed to be playing slightly different characters than normal, but they still seemed like the same ole' ones. Their acting is sub par, and that is because they are so old they belong in a nursing home! Speaking of nursing home, we know DeNiro lived that long, and thanks to the car scene we know Pesci made it to at least that point. They look *very* old in the car scene, so maybe the CGI didn't have the effect you think it did). The point being is that "they are old"! Even in a scene where YOU say they should be young, they appear as geezers to me. That means it's time to pack it up, and retire. No amount of CGI can even make them look young anymore. And, their acting range has become barely noticeable as well. The movie (forgot the name again) was bloated and forgettable, and no one in their right mind would sit through this garbage saying it was brilliant. It's all been done before, and DeNiro should stick to his Meet the Focker slapstick comedy, or just take his troll buddy Pesci and fade away into the sunset. They had a good run, but now it's OVER! It's YOU that is a dense loser who can't face reality. There are umpteen hundreds of people on this board that agree with what I'm saying. YOU are the smug LOSER that can't take off the rose tinted CGI glasses!
L.O.S.E.R. !!!!! YOU LOSE!!!!

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Idiot. There was clearly decades of difference between the car sequence and nursing home De Niro, so we didn’t know Pesci’s ultimate fate at all, and De Niro’s solitary survival is the whole point of the film - so of course we saw him alive as an old man. Again, you’re a shrieking idiot who was simply to dense to appreciate this film.

The fact that you prefer De Niro’s sell-out light ‘comedy’ work says everything about your levels of sophistication and taste.

You don’t seem to realise that the film is not on trial here - YOU are 🤦🏻‍♂️

Trying to reason with a retard is starting to feel like an act of cruelty on my part and I’m just not that mean, so here’s what we’ll do - if anyone thinks that anything fzane has said in this ‘discussion’ is remotely accurate, valid or insightful then please mention it and I’ll be happy to respond.

Needless to say, this invitation doesn’t extend to you, fzane, and any reply from you to this post, or any others of mine on this thread, will be considered an apology for your rank stupidity, regardless of what text you write.

Let’s hope, for your sake, that someone can find something remotely valid in your... contributions.

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Hey LOSER, i forgot your name, so I'll just call you LOSER from now on. You really think they look young in the car ride with their wives? Wow, you bought into the CGI, or maybe you forgot your glasses old man! Oh yeah, they look like a couple of recent college grads don't they?! Pic of them in the car:
https://filmfreedonia.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/theirishman02.jpg?w=696
An apology? No way, how's about you apologize for not paying attention enough to my posts to even comprehend what I was saying about the Fockers!
I never said I liked the Focker movies, I just said DeNiro should stick with that crap as he continues his decline. If you cannot even pay attention enough to comprehend what I'm saying, no wonder you liked this snore-fest movie. You were probably not even fully paying attention enough to realize how much it sucked, probably busy smoking weed the whole time you schmegag drinkin, DeNiro dick ridin, drug addict, nnuther truckin SOB!
Knowing DeNiro lives destroys any suspense the movie could have had. Every single scene, we know he will come out alive. BORING! Guess what LOSER, you LOSE AGAIN!
A.G.A.I.N!!!!
Wow, what a stupid loser you turned out to be! I'm a few comments away from just deciding to ignore you. LOSER!
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They went hoping to win. That's what is sad.

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Agreed.

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To not win an Oscar is now a badge of honour for any film or filmmaker.

Hahahaha 😅 Love it!

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