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The kid's gonna fry. Only Grosskreutz had a gun.


The fact is that the first shooting victim was unarmed, albeit lunging towards Rittenhouse in the alley. That would be Rosenbaum. Then later on that main road, Huber used a skateboard on him and tried to snatch his rifle away, so Rittenhouse shot him dead. Finally, Grosskreutz came at him with a handgun, so Rittenhouse wounded him. But that was after Rittenhouse had shot Rosenbaum dead, which might tip the scale in the prosecution's favor. I just don't think this is going to work out for the defense, despite the rioters' aggressiveness.

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The fact that you think it's relevant proves how clueless you are. I've studied defensive shootings for 30yrs. This is one of the most clear-cut cases of self defense I've ever seen. It was textbook. Ignorant people who feel the need to sling their ignorant opinion all over hell's creation are what's wrong with this country.

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If this isn't found as self defence. Nothing is.

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Exactly! If Rittenhouse can't defend himself, none of the rest of us stand a chance. Not in a blue state anyway.

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Arguing with your liberal buddies does not constitute having studied defensive shootings. Lol at having "studied" defensive shootings for 30 yrs and still clueless as to how self defense works. Everything we've heard has been from Rittenhouse's POV and nothing more. There is nothing to corroborate that he was ever in any danger in any of the encounters that he had with the victims. We only have one video of him being chased only, and that was AFTER he'd killed the first victim in cold blood, making chasing him justified. For all we know those people would've apprehended him and done a citizen's arrest, which Rittenhouse was desperate to prevent. A person can use whatever force is necessary to bring a person committing a felony to justice and thats what the mob was trying to do. In any case, everything that happened that night was his doing and no one elses. When you shoot someone for no reason the first time, you can't blame anyone else for the chain of events you create afterward and then call self defense over it.

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Interesting world you live in. Unfortunately, your perception is not congruent with reality. The video proves it. Your rhetoric proves that you have no idea what you're talking about. Your bias prevents you from seeing the truth.

PS, I don't have liberal buddies. I can't be friends with illogical, hysterical people. People like you.

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"A person can use whatever force is necessary to bring a person committing a felony to justice and thats what the mob was trying to do."

Selling drugs is a felony. So by your understanding of the law people could just shoot drug dealers. Opening or tampering with someone else's mail is a felony also. I suppose those postal workers that were caught destroying mail in ballots were lucky they didn't get shot.

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Remember the waffle house shooting in Florida a while back? Three unarmed white guys making racial slurs at a black dude and a Mexican. One of them charged the black guy and he was shot dead by him. He never faced charges because it was justifiable self defense.

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Rosenbaum had shouted:

If I catch any of you guys alone tonight I'm going to f-- kill you!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-joseph-rosenbaum-reaching-for-gun-witness/

Huber first threw his skateboard at Rittenhouse/or hit him with it (made Rittenhouse fall): https://www.bitchute.com/video/G71YbHTgSv94/ (12:52)
Before hitting him with it again, while Rittenhouse was sitting on the ground: https://www.bitchute.com/video/G71YbHTgSv94/ (12:59/16:34)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=410Uul4rM7Q (not sure this is the correct video)

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So was he armed? Did he carry a weapon on his body?

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Is that relevant? Nope.

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I'd say it is. Because Rittenhouse, being a civilian with a weapon in a not-so-legal possession had at that moment shot four bullets into an unarmed man. That doesn't look good for the defense team.

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It isn't. The judge has already ruled that his possession was legal. That shouldn't have even been a charge in the first place but the prosecutor knows he has no case and is desperate to get something to stick. Again, the fact that two of the assailants were not armed with knives, swords, axes or guns is irrelevant. You really are not qualified to even have this discussion.

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An armed civilian is not a police officer. He cannot act on the basis of a "probable cause" towards the opponent. He doesn't have the authority. An armed civilian better be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was truly in grave danger. For example, did these people who were trying to disarm him really making attempt at his life?

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He was defending himself, not trying to arrest them. They were trying to disarm him, why doesn't matter. You're throwing around words you don't even understand.

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” For example, did these people who were trying to disarm him really making attempt at his life?”

Right!🙄

I would say he felt he was in “ grave danger”. The lunatic pedophile threatened to kill Kyle. The pedophile was seen using a chain on others. He started chasing Kyle. He managed to overtake Kyle and hid behind a car. Kyle heard a gunshot and turned around only to be ambushed by the lunatic pedophile which put Kyle into self defense mode. He shot and killed a pos!

Huber went after Kyle with a skateboard. Then “Jump Kick Guy” slammed Kyle in the face so hard Kyle spun around. Huber went for a second slam into Kyle’s neck with the skateboard. Perjurer Grosskreutz went after Kyle with a Glock which he was illegally carrying.

They were trying to disarm him…🙄 This, folks, is the reasonings of those who don’t know a damn thing about self defense.

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You fancy being beaten to death by someone's bare hands? Perhaps have you head stomped in? Nah. Didn't think so. A Human doesn't need to be armed to be a lethal threat.

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OK, yes. But then you go back to the question of wtf was he doing "patrolling" the area in the middle of an unrest. Yes, there were other armed anti-protester civilians there. But they were adults in groups of two or three in front of some critical facilities, maintaining trigger discipline and generally being ADULT about the situation. They weren't wandering about. To the jury, it might seem that Rittenhouse was simply looking for trouble. Plain and simple.

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The only thing plain and simple in this thread is you.

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Whoah, whoah, whoah. You can't be posting inconvenient facts like this. You'll hurt the simpleton's brains.

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"and tried to snatch his rifle away," - so did Rosenbaum ...

And that alone makes it a VERY good case for self defense.

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Yep. As soon as he grabbed the barrel of the rifle, he gave the green light to shoot him.

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"The law allows even a foolish man to defend himself, even if his own foolishness put him in harm’s way."

this is a good article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-right-self-defense-role-model/620715/

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No it isn't.

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Astonishing how delusional some people are and what twisted views they have about the law.
Makes my bones chill to know people like you vote and drive cars.

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No! You are delusional! Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse! Try explaining that to the jury. Then, later, Rittenhouse did experience more aggressive and threatening attacks, but it was after the fact that the crowd got word that Rittenhouse had just killed someone. Who is he? An active shooter? Actions of Huber and Grosskreutz may be plausibly explained as an effort to stop a potential mass shooter.

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Cope.

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He grabbed the rifle. Period.

So the convicted felons, woman beaters and arsonists were being good Samaritans?

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Well, by using your logic, the prosecution can say that Rittenhouse flashes white power signs and that he may have been motivated by his white supremacist sentiments to pick up a rifle and mosey around the site of an intense racial unrest. What were his motives? Help his community or cause trouble? I'm saying that you can paint the defendant unfavorably just as well.

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There is no evidence to support this bullshit about white supremacist beliefs. In fact, only liberals think they exist in any appreciable number. They're a dead horse, propped up by democrats for political gain. And again, "why" he was there is entirely irrelevant but the media has manipulated ignorant people to think it is relevant.

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No it's not irrelevant, I assure you, and what constitutes an "appreciable number of white supremacist beliefs" may differ between you and the jurors.

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It is entirely irrelevant. If you knew a single thing about defensive shootings, you'd know that. But you don't. You know what CNN told you and now you are here repeating their lies.

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”Then, later, Rittenhouse did experience more aggressive and threatening attacks, but it was after the fact that the crowd got word that Rittenhouse had just killed someone.”

Not so! The crowd did not know who got shot. There were other shooters so Huber and the wounded Grosskreutz who lied on the stand did not know who was the shooter. All they heard was “Someone got shot!” There were others who were carrying firearms. The mob went nuts and assumed it was Kyle because he was running with a weapon. Kyle just happened to be the only one running with a firearm in their midst. Hells Bells! It could have been any one of us who open carry and decided to run. You don’t try to beat someone to death without knowing the facts.

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That's not what self-defense is. It's not a bloody sport's tournament in which everyone is supposed to have the same equipment.
When people try to hurt you you have the right to defend yourself.

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I studied law when you were still swimming in your dads nut sack, it was self defense. Besides, one less pedo in the world is a good thing. F**k Rosenbaum.

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They should have gotten him on the gun charge, but that whacko judge threw it out. That is the clearest charge of them all. Undoubtedly guilty of that.

I forget all the specific charges, but I think they will get him on Rosenbaum's death and the reckless endangerment charges. He will be innocent of the other 2 since they were armed and it's on video they were trying to actively harm him.

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Your blatant ignorance and bias are abundantly clear. The gun charge was bogus in the first place and hinged on it being a licensed SBR (Short Barreled Rifle under 16" under NFA rules) to you ignorant types. It was not. It was a common every day 16" carbine. So the law he was charged as being in violation of, was not even applicable. Determinable with a fucking measuring tape.

Armed or not is irrelevant.

The reckless endangerment charges are the most absurd. He will be acquitted because he never should've been charged in the first place.

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"blatant bias"

That's not what "I think they should get him on some, but not all charges" means.

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Yes you think he should have been convicted on a bogus charge???

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And you call me biased, ha!

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Why are deliberations taking so long?

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