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Hi,friends...should marriage between persons that have the same gender be legalized?I mean they have the same rights as the rest of us...right?

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I have always felt that each of us has the right to marry the one we love. I find it so sad that it has taken so long for the stupidity to finally be examined. When two people who love each other are told that it is against the law for them to be married, that is stupidity!
I thank GOD that our son was born at the right time in life and that he didn't have to hide his sexuality in the way that so many others before him had to. He and his husband had to wait for 15 years to be married. They just celebrated their first wedding anniversary last month.

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Congratulations for your son,MissMargo.

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Thanks. He's a nice guy. So is his husband, our son in law.

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Someone's gender shouldn't matter if they want to get married. It should matter if they are in love. They allow people who are doing it for all the wrong reasons and would stop 2 people doing for all the right reasons based on their sex. This is insane to me.

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After reading all of these posts, I’m sure mine isn’t going to be a popular one but I will write mine anyway.

First and foremost, God is the creator of sex. God designed sex to be reserved for a man and a woman who have entered into marriage. God is all for sex - in the context of a loving, male-female marriage, as He designed it. According to God’s Word, sex outside of the sacred bonds of male-female marriage is wrong and sinful. God condemns ALL sexual activity outside of married male-female relationship. You may disagree with this but it's what the Bible teaches and I trust what God says about this. He puts the sin of homosexuality to the same standard as adulterers, idolaters, thieves, greed, drunkards, swindlers….

Whether gay marriage is legal or not, it will not be acknowledged by God as a holy union. It doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not. God isn’t going to bless a union he calls sin. God exclusively blesses male-female marriage.

God isn't against sex, and Christians do not hate homosexuals, just like Christians don’t hate those who engage in premarital sex, adultery or orgies. Christians know that hate itself is a sin.

Bible-believing Christians are concerned for people who struggle with homosexual desires. I’m not saying their desires are not real. But engaging in a homosexual relationship is sinful and an offense to God. We are made in God’s image and we have no right to redefine what God put in place. He will not go along with anyone's personal agenda and fall for the “love is love is love” type of remarks.
Too many these days confuse the word “tolerance” with "acceptance." I notice all too often people jumping to conclusions that anyone who refuses to legitimize homosexuality and/or same-sex marriage is automatically labeled a "hater" or “bigot.” But that is simply not true! It’s a cheap attack on those who they disagree with.

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Christians certainly do not claim to be perfect. Far from it. We are well aware of our sin. The sin that put our Savior on the cross and died for us.

If you read till the end of my 2-part post, even though you may be in complete disagreement with it, I thank you for hearing me out. I understand there are many on this board who don’t even believe in God, and that’s your choice.

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As a Christian myself, I suppose that I should just turn the other cheek, so to speak.
However, I must congratulate you and everyone who presumes to know exactly what God feels is sinful. Imagine! And it's all in the Bible..... a book that was written by men years after Jesus was crucified!
I don't share your interpretation, but I do respect your right to believe whatever you choose.

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MissMargo, I meant no personal offense and I respect you.

As a proclaimed Christian yourself, I'm sure you've read what scripture has to say on the matter of homosexuality. But you completely lost me when you said "the Bible, a book that was written by men years after Jesus was crucified!"
Am I wrong or do I take that to mean that you don't trust or believe what the Bible says?...
Or is it that you only see The Bible as a book written by men and not the inspired Word of God?...
Or is it that The Bible was written years after the crucifixion that maybe you think the scriptures are inaccurate? And by that I take it you mean the New Testament, not the Old Testament, which was written before Christ. Remember, after Jesus went to be with His Holy Father, He sent the Holy Spirit? He told them The Spirit will help them understand and remember God's word (John 14:26).

I just found your comments puzzling as a Christian. Maybe I'm missing something.

Would you please explain? I would appreciate it.

Sorry if I upset you before.

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all religion is nonsense

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I agree.

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you must consider where and by whom the bible was written,
The bible could only be written by those opium smoking Muslims in the mid east ,
because it is the most complex book ever written, no book or writing of any kind has even come close to being so convoluted

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You couldn't be more wrong.

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None the less, the book is convoluted. Everything in it is up for interpretation.
You may interpret it one way while another may see and understand something else in the same thing you read. GOLLY GEE! Isn't it great that there are Bible Study groups??? Let us ALL understand something that the others who wrote it INTERPRETED?????

How's this? Why don't we all be kind and love AND accept each other for who and WHAT we are?
I do not presume to know what YOUR God says is sinful.
I do believe that MY God loves all of us and I can't imagine a GOD who would want us to ridicule the love between one person for another. I can't imagine a GOD who would turn HIS back on any of His children.
Notice this! I never said that I know what His plan is. I only say IMAGINE!
Who am I to PRESUME?
I'm done now.
Interpret you Bible in any way you please.

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(MissMargo's comments in quotes)
“None the less, the book is convoluted. Everything in it is up for interpretation.”

God isn’t the author of confusion. Satan is. Do you believe sin is real? Do you have any examples of sin? God tells us what sin is through his Word so that we will know how to live. No one is perfect though. We all sin. Every day.

“You may interpret it one way while another may see and understand something else in the same thing you read.”

That is why a person needs salvation and the Holy Spirit to dwell in them and guide them. It’s eye-opening!

“GOLLY GEE! Isn't it great that there are Bible Study groups???”

Yes. I’ve been in many, many bible study groups!

“Let us ALL understand something that the others who wrote it INTERPRETED?????”

The Bible is love letter to God’s children so that we could/would understand it. He’s not trying to confuse us. There will always be new things to learn about God. I would never be so bold to say that I understand the Bible from cover to cover.

“How's this? Why don't we all be kind and love AND accept each other for who and WHAT we are?”

Maybe you’d want to take a page from that book? I don’t know what I did to you to offend you so much. You willingly responded to my response that I wrote to the OP (although the OP seems like they’re not very interested in this subject much after all, but that's their choice).
Explain to me how I’ve not been kind? Explain how I haven’t loved and accepted people for whom and what they are? Did I ever say I hated anyone? No. I quoted scripture in truth and love but you don’t seem to like it. Take it up with God. I didn’t decide what sin is/isn’t.

“I do not presume to know what YOUR God says is sinful.”

My God is the God of the Holy Bible. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Jesus is my Savior. Jesus is God. In short, that’s who my God is.

“I do believe that MY God loves all of us”

Yes, God does!

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“and I can't imagine a GOD who would want us to ridicule the love between one person for another.”

God is a Holy God who hates sin. He won’t have it! He still loves everyone. We are all sinners. This is why God sent a Savior. Jesus paid the full penalty for our sin at the cross. He doesn’t ridicule. He expects obedience! If He says something is sin, then it’s just that! Sin! He lets us know in His Word what sin is.

“ I can't imagine a GOD who would turn HIS back on any of His children.”

Correct. Who said anything about that? Let me ask you this. If you had a toddler who kept putting his hand near a hot stove, would you correct/remove that child? I’m sure most of us would. Why is that? To the child, the flames look really cool. But as parents we know the dangers of that fire in which that child does not understand. We want to protect that child so we teach him that it’s hot and will burn you, causing great pain. It’s no different than God protecting us from sin. He knows where sin leads and He heeds great warning of it through His Word, otherwise it will burn you, causing great pain.

“Notice this! I never said that I know what His plan is. I only say IMAGINE! Who am I to PRESUME?”

Again, I’m confused by another one of your comments. When did I say that I thought you knew his plan?

“I'm done now.”

Ok, MissMargo. I’ll leave you alone. There’s more I could say but I don’t think you can handle it. God bless you, MissMargo. I sincerely mean that. I hope we can still make small talk about non-important things like movies and TV.

“Interpret you Bible in any way you please.”

I don’t read the Bible that way.

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"There’s more I could say but I don’t think you can handle it."

How condescending of you.

“Interpret you Bible in any way you please.”

I don’t read the Bible that way.


Of course you do. That's readily apparent. And might I add that Jesus *never* said he was god.

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Not directly, anyway.

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" I didn’t decide what sin is/isn’t."

You didn't? According to you and your BOOK, my son is a sinner.
Of course, as you say, and rightly so, we all are!

This is what you said....

"First and foremost, God is the creator of sex. God designed sex to be reserved for a man and a woman who have entered into marriage. God is all for sex - in the context of a loving, male-female marriage, as He designed it. According to God’s Word, sex outside of the sacred bonds of male-female marriage is wrong and sinful. God condemns ALL sexual activity outside of married male-female relationship. You may disagree with this but it's what the Bible teaches and I trust what God says about this. He puts the sin of homosexuality to the same standard as adulterers, idolaters, thieves, greed, drunkards, swindlers…. "

If this is what the Bible teaches you, I want no part of you at all.

"Ok, MissMargo. I’ll leave you alone. There’s more I could say but I don’t think you can handle it. God bless you, MissMargo. I sincerely mean that. I hope we can still make small talk about non-important things like movies and TV."

Don't bother talking down to me. Don't bother talking to me again.

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I've been saying all along everyone is a sinner, what bible are you reading, MissMargo? Is there no such thing as sin, according to you? If so, what is sin? You rarely ever answer any of my questions so I can see where you're coming from. You just avoid and blame me for what may be your own convictions that you are running from.

So, what if you are wrong about what you think the bible teaches, isn't it time you faced the truth? What are you afraid of? Why continue living in a fantasy land?

It's YOUR assumption that I was talking down to you. With God as my witness, I wasn't.

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Sorry, but there is no reasoning with you, IMO. Unless one believes the exact same thing you do, no discussion is possible.

You won't even admit that Christianity is a religion, and presumably that the bible (both old [Judaism] and new [Christianity] testaments) is a religious book. There's no meaningful common ground upon which to have any discussion.

I don't believe god (my understanding/interpretation of what god is is very, very different from yours -- and from no doubt most people's) hates anyone or anything. You do. That's a very basic difference that's impossible to reconcile.

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Cat, I am very open to discussion. You of all people here should know this! If I wasn't open, I would have never left a religion I was in for 20 years!
You can disagree with me. I've never gotten nasty with you over our differences before, correct? Just because we disagree, why am I the one looked upon as the person with no reasoning and impossible to reconcile with?
All I've done here is point out scripture and explained why I stand where I stand on this issue. It was MissMargo who said she's a Christian yet she doesn't even believe God is the author of the Bible! Believing He is is pretty basic stuff for a Christian, even a brand new one.

I was once "religious," in other words, following what a specific churches teachings are. Once Jesus became my Savior that all changed. I no longer am bound to man-made rules of a religion. In the bible, it talks about how Jesus had problems with the religious leaders of his day! Doesn't that make you wonder why they butt heads?

"I don't believe god (my understanding/interpretation of what god is is very, very different from yours -- and from no doubt most people's) hates anyone or anything. You do. That's a very basic difference that's impossible to reconcile."

Most people? Well, a lot of people I know see things the same way I do! We can each find people who will agree and disagree with both of us. I personally don't put much weight into what people have to say, not that I won't hear them out. But to find my answers I go to the scriptures to see what God has to say because He is the one who is right. And sometimes, it is a bitter pill to swallow.
If you look, you will see that God does hate sin. Never once did I say God hated any person, as both you and MissMargo are convinced that I am suggesting. Please get that straight, if nothing else. Also, show me where I said that I hated anyone, as you are claiming I do. You won't find it, cat because that is simply not true!

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Kittens, you did not leave any religion. You left specific churches, not religion.

That's true, you've never gotten "nasty" with me over our differences, nor have I gotten "nasty" over our differences.

You've pointed out the scriptures that agree with your positions, ignoring others. You ignore that the bible itself is contradictory. For some reason you believe that the new testament supersedes the old testament, in that things that were said ("God's Word") in the old testament no longer apply. Yet nowhere in the new testament does it say so. If you believe *both* were "authored by God," then what you're saying is that "He" was wrong when "He" authored the old testament. And yet you believe that "He" is always right! This makes no logical, rational sense, which is why I said it's impossible to reason with you.

Again, if you believe god hates anything, be that "sin" or anything else, then god hates, which you acknowledge is in itself a sin. I did not say god hates anyone, nor that you did

YOU were the one who said god hates -- specifically sin. And yet you say god also says hating is a sin, which would mean god SINS. Which, according to what you say and your interpretation of the bible, is impossible.

I'm certain a lot of people see/interpret god the same way you do, and no doubt few see things the way I do, which was exactly what I was saying, but for some reason you interpreted what I said the other way around.

Do you ever wear pants? Because, according to the bible, "God's word," which is always right, in your estimation, that too is an "abomination," just as homosexuality (and many other things) are described as in the bible. Are YOU also an abomination? If you do or ever have worn pants, then your honest answer has to be YES, IF you subscribe, as you say you do, to the idea that the bible is "God's Word" and therefore "the truth."

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One more thing......
"God isn’t the author of confusion."

He isn't the author of the Bible either.

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I no longer wish to waste my energy on this. I have already come to the conclusion that we all believe in certain things. I can respect everyone's right to believe in what they wish. Our son and our family has heard it all before. I know that I shouldn't take this personally.
I just find it so insulting and hypocritical when a person say's these things under the guise of Christianity.

I am so glad that the young man you know has been so fortunate to have two loving adopted parents. My wish is that all of these unfortunate children who are born into these sad situations could be saved from that sort of life. There are so many good people out there who want children, whether they are gay or straight couples.

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Thank you. You are pretty special too! [HUGS ALL AROUND!]

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LOL! Sorry.... I wouldn't trade mine for the world!
Smile! And on that note, Let's blow this Popsicle stand!

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Heard it all before? Maybe God is trying to get your attention.

Guise of Christianity? Keep those blinders on....

2 Cor 4:3-4
2 Cor 11:14

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Well you just said a mouthful there, MissMargo!

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Whether gay marriage is legal or not, it will not be acknowledged by God as a holy union.

Well that's fine for a theocracy... And even you would argue against a theocracy that's founded on something other than your personal theological beliefs.

Plus, the Bible has all kinds of petty little rules, like this:

Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.


Isn't it silly to even consider that the creator of the universe would care so much about the gender perceptions of human clothing???

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"Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God."
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that's funny, I didn't know fig leaves came in men's and women's style.
you can tell that was written by those nut job Mid Eastern Muslims,
Adam and Eve where naked

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Ooh s..t,i created a monster...

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You are free to observe religious limitations on marriage without them being law.

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godewey,
And I can say exactly the same thing to you!

It's people like you who are promoting hate because you can't accept that some have different beliefs than yours and automatically the go-to is that the other side has these phobias and hatred, which couldn't be further from the truth. That's why you can't comprehend it because you are closed minded.

Whether you'd like to admit it or not.

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godewey, I applaud you with tears in my eyes. You have expressed everything I have been feeling since I first read what this person had to say.
I knew there was a reason I liked you! It isn't just the Springfield thing! Now, I am going to dry my tears and have a happy day.! Thank you for making it one.

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" Wrong is wrong. "

Such as this : https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/mgyn8a/the-racism-and-incompetence-behind-the-unsolved-firebombing-of-an-nfl-legends-church Good people of the same faith that is being lambasted here !

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I also have a history with the church and I'm likewise turned off by much of organized religion. However, I'm still spiritual and still believe and I have good reasons to.

Some of the comments I've seen on here are akin to a mongrel dog " biting the hand that feeds it, " imo.

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Except that you keep contradicting yourself big time, dewey such as here:

Even the kkk evoke god. So now you have god against god.
It's actually a perversion of the faith as opposed to those sincerely trying to live it. It's this type of distortion that's part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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"I'm not against religion at all. I was brought up going to church and even confirmed.
As I grew older I learned that many religions are based on fear and prejudice.
Fear-If you don't do this then you will burn in hell. Prejudice- homosexuals are an abomination.
People hiding behind the church to do whatever they want.

There are many versions of god. Each catered to each church's beliefs.

I always thought that religion and god should be a comfort not a fear and judgement of others.
If I believed in god that's what I'd want them to be.
One of compassion, comfort, peace, love, equality and empathy."

Amen! If you will. Not that I'm prone to saying "amen." :)

Compassion, comfort, peace, love, equality, and empathy. As I understand it, that's what Jesus's message was, and he was not the only one. He was but one of several exemplary human beings, delivering a important messages to the rest of us.

I'm not against religion, per se, either. I agree that many are based on fear and prejudice, and I'll add ignorance.

I find it, er, interesting that the bible cites *many* things as "abominations." As someone above cited, a woman wearing a man's garment, or a man wearing a woman's garment is also an "abomination." Hey, it's in the bible, which is "God's word," so it must be right. Eh? It's also in the bible, "God's word" that if a child curses his or her parents, they should be put to death! There was another, similar one that I now forget, but really? Death?! I'll agree it's not a good thing, but DEATH is the appropriate punishment for that? Yeah, not in my world.

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You're right Cat, it does, one of which is dishonest business practices ! How many in today's world are guilty of that ? Yet it has somehow become exclusive to homosexuality. It's really time to put that controversial word into proper perspective.

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No, you do have a problem with religion dewey, you're denouncing it. I believe in a prophecy of Jesus' where he said, " Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold. " It makes sense to me. I'm anti-religion, not anti-God !

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I agree wholeheartedly. Too many people take the bible literally, despite the many contradictions, which they explain away and rationalise because, reasons. Reasons most often, if not always, borne of their prejudices. I'm no bible expert either, but I've read enough to know this.

People (sociopaths and psychopaths perhaps excepted) *do* know what's right and what's wrong in general, although the more finely defined that becomes (essentially dogma) the more disagreement there is.

Again we're in agreement that it comes down to interpretation. Personally, I'm not religious. I rejected religion a long time ago, and for a long while became agnostic. (I mean, seriously, how could I *know* either way? Nothing was definitively proven or disproven, either way.) IMO, all religions are essentially primitive ways of attempting to understand something bigger than we are, yet are an intricate and integral part of.

We are more connected than we ever realised, ala Darwinism or Newtonianism or conventional physics, which are now outdated and disproven, thanks to advances in and understanding of quantum physics. It's a whole new, brave world.

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Respect,mate.

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Dewey promoting hate and is closed-minded??

Please point out anywhere in his posts where he promoted hate. Thanks.

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If believing or not believing in god is a choice (unlike homosexuality), why do you choose to believe in these aspects of your religion? And don't wash your hands with "God says so", that's a silly excuse. You, the person, choose to believe this. Didn't god give you free will? He sure gave you a freedom of choice.

I don't respect your beliefs. And honestly, I can't understand how anyone _could_ respect them. They are outdated, unhumane and dangerous.

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"Christians know that hate itself is a sin."

On one hand you say Christians know hate itself is a sin, yet on the other hand you say "God hates sin." If hate is a sin, by your own logic "God" is sinning by the action of hating, be that hating an action or a person. Hate is hate.

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Yes. Also polygamy. Religious centric laws and limitations on laws should all be struck down.

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And polyandry. I think it's legal in ancient India.

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In a theoretical way, I'd say yes, since in general I think all
citizens of the world ought to be equal and have equal rights.
However ... everything human beings have done has gotten
screwed up, because mostly we do not know what we are doing.
We thought the world was so big that pollution would never be
a problem. Or our tiniest actions such as the amount of
antibiotic in your urine when you flush it combines with others
and we get a bay or sea full of low level waste or contamination.
The point is that, there may be some reason that pretty much
all societies have a prohibition on homosexuality. Maybe it is
just due to the patriarchy wanting to remain in power. Or maybe
there is a real reason for it. Perhaps societies that allow or
condone homosexuality are too passive and lazy, or they become
too aggressive and warmongering ... I don't know, but there may
be a reason. I know gay people and like most of them. I find them
often more interesting than straight people. These are people who
have faced adversity and know who they are. I like that. But, I
do notice that gay people have a tendency to be secretive, and to
conspire together ( like a lot of other people ). For example it is
amazing how many gay people are in Hollywood. They say it is
the Jews who own Hollywood, but it may just be the gays. So, the
point is that we do not know why certain taboos developed and until
we do and start to understand our own species, we ought to be
very thoughtful and careful about randomly changing things. We
have screwed up most of the Earth and maybe past the point where
it can be saved - I think it is time that the human race began to
think with its brain.

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It's the gay Jews that own Hollywood.

did you know the most important organ in the body is the brain?
wait, I think my brain told me to say that.

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You should punish your brain and teach it to do better.

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I would, but it's the brain that teaches

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I say let them get married, they think it's a picnic? why just a man and a woman suffer, let the 2 guys fight it out, and 2 women??? ohhh I'd love to see that household,
Divorce Lawyers are thrilled, their business has doubled in states that allow same sex marriages,

nobody has the right to tell 2 people what they can and cannot do in their private lives, the Government sticks it's nose
in way too many places where it doesn't belong. however, I would certainly make it illegal for 2 guys to adopt a child and really screw up that poor kid, he/she will be teased through most of their school years, and may even resent being adopted by 2 gays

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yawkee24 said:
I say let them get married, they think it's a picnic? why just a man and a woman suffer, let the 2 guys fight it out, and 2 women??? ohhh I'd love to see that household,
Divorce Lawyers are thrilled, their business has doubled in states that allow same sex marriages,

nobody has the right to tell 2 people what they can and cannot do in their private lives, the Government sticks it's nose
in way too many places where it doesn't belong. however, I would certainly make it illegal for 2 guys to adopt a child and really screw up that poor kid, he/she will be teased through most of their school years, and may even resent being adopted by 2 gays
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yawkee24, the first part of your post was pretty comical, I must admit!
The second part....you're asking for trouble! ;)

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when a tough heavy weight boxer knocks out another tough fighter for the championship of the world, he looks in the camera and says, "HI MOM" when a quarterback wins the superbowl he looks in the camera and says "HI MOM
The worst day of my life was when my mom passed, I loved my father but my mother was irreplaceable,
to deny a child a mother is deplorable and should not be allowed.

If 2 guys want to adopt, let them adopt a kitten or a puppy.

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same goes for them, let's not start the race with a flat tire.

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Hi just passing through...'Lets not start the race with a flat tire'
That made me giggle srsly...may i steal that and use it in my everyday pls?

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how much money you got?
never mind, it's yours

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I only $2
Thx!!

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Aww I understand, yawkee. My dad is gone but can't imagine when my mom goes :(
My heart goes out to you and I couldn't agree more that children should have a mother and a father!

Yes, kittens and puppies are people too!;). They always need homes!!

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So, a child should grow up in care homes, become homeless/poor rather than be brought up by two mothers or two fathers?

a child should just be given to a different straight couple if one of their parents die? because god forbid they are brought up without a mother AND father.

It's straight couples who put the kids up for adoption...so why should gay couples be deprived of adopting them? in fact, why should children be deprived of being adopted into a loving family because some people think it's a sin or they assume the kid will be teased.

Very sad that you think a kid should grow up with no family at all rather than a loving family with same-sex parents.

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You're making a lot of assumptions about what I posted, jackrt and you're mixing my comments with another posters comments. Don't twist my words.

It's a complex subject, too much to get into here but I'll break it down in short.

God made it possible for a man and a woman to biologically have a child together (and even if one doesn't believe in God, this statement is still true) but God made it impossible for 2 men or two women to have a child together. I have to take that into account on how he intended a family to be.

I would never want to see a child homeless, of course I would not!! I would never want a child to be abused in any home, either.

Sometimes heterosexual parents get divorced or were never even married and a child is raised by a single parent. I get that.
Sometimes one parent or both dies. I get that too. Sometimes a child is raised by a biological parent and a step parent with their other parent co-parenting. I get all of these unfortunate scenarios.

I just don't think it's right for a child to be subjected to having an unnatural couple raise them in that setting. This is my opinion, I never stated that it was a sin. Acting upon homosexuality is. I strongly believe it's important for girls to have a female role model, their mother - and for boys to have a male role model, their father, yet every child needs both parents.
Again, those statements are just my opinion.

I would also like to add that I truly believe that homosexual couples who have/want children really do/would love their children and want the best for them. I believe they have true and selfless good intentions.

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"I just don't think it's right for a child to be subjected to having an unnatural couple raise them in that setting."

It's not unnatural whatsoever. If God made it possible for men and women to have children biologically, why did God make some men and women infertile? Why did he make people gay?

I respect that people are religious, but using your religious views to invade someones personal life and make them feel like they are living an unnatural life and doing "sinful" actions is just disgusting. Live your life the way you think is right, whether that be in Gods eyes or not - DO NOT decide what's right or wrong based on your religion if it doesn't affect your life in any shape or form.

I'm a male brought up with mostly females around me. My father died when i was young and the only people i had to look up to were my mother, aunt and grandmother. I turned out just fine.

You're free to have your own opinion but that opinion automatically becomes invalid when the thing you think is so wrong and unnatural doesn't cause anyone harm.

I respect people's beliefs - i'm not going to try change anyone's because that never works, honestly. But it's these type of opinions that leave people in the LGBT community feeling ashamed, living their life in secret, becoming mentally ill and worst of all, killing themselves because they feel like they don't belong. Including young teenagers.

Also, this whole "homosexuality isn't a sin but acting upon homosexuality is" thing is still the most ridiculous thing ever. You can't just say people are allowed to be homosexual but they must never be sexually active. If you think homosexual people should be deprived of having sexual intercourse like the rest of us then you obviously think that homosexuality IS a sin.

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jackrt,
According to God's Word it IS unnatural so on this we will just have to be in disagreement on.

I never said I knew all the answers. As far as infertility, that is something only God knows the answer to.

God did not MAKE people gay! It is a choice, otherwise it wouldn't be a sin that could be repented of.

Invading someone's personal life? Really? They're going to do what they want, as everyone has their own God-given free will. I just so happen to agree with what God says, that's all. A thread was started, I commented.

I'm sorry about your father. God bless your mother, aunt and grandmother! As I said, there are unfortunate things that happen to people.

My opinion is invalid because because I said a gay relationship is unnatural and doesn't cause anyone harm? Well, God said it it is unnatural and I'll believe Him first. As far as it not causing any harm, I couldn't disagree more.

"I respect people's beliefs - i'm not going to try change anyone's because that never works, honestly."

I know I can't change anyone's mind, only God can do that. I'm just here telling the truth, according to the Word of God. Take it or leave it.

"But it's these type of opinions that leave people in the LGBT community feeling ashamed, living their life in secret, becoming mentally ill and worst of all, killing themselves because they feel like they don't belong. Including young teenagers."

Living their life in secret?! Not these days! They flaunt it! But they cannot blame their mental illness or killing themselves on anyone else. It's unfortunate this happens. It's because Satan influences these types of behaviors. He's to blame. Not God or bible-believing Christians!

In your last paragraph, you should really read my posts over again as you have it all tangled up. Being homosexual IS a sin. Acting upon it is sin. Homosexuality IS A SIN! It's an abomination, in fact.

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I see you are a believer,kitten...and i respect that...however i'm not...i have my reasons not to...in this case i will hold my opinion about your comment about this.

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You don't have to hold your opinion. I have thick skin. But I do appreciate your post.

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A lot of religious people are extremely uneducated on mental health and don't realise how mentally ill they actually are.
Devoting your life to hate in the hopes that heaven is real is actually really sad. I actually feel sorry for some of them. They have my respect until they start using their beliefs as hate speech.

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That's what I call an opinion and that's fine.

If you're not a Christian, I suppose it would be a very bitter pill to swallow, Dazed.

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Dazed,
If Kitten were a troll, I could laugh this off. Unfortunately, there are people who actually feel this way. What really sickens me is that these people use the Bible and their belief in God to explain away their ignorance and hatred when it comes to something they don't understand.
I have heard this sort of thing before. I shouldn't be surprised by what I have read here, but I am. It has gotten worse and even more ridiculous in the past day or so.
There is no point in even talking to this person. Her God says that homosexual acts are a sin. Unnatural! Homosexuality is a choice???? That one always gets me!
She's stuck in her blind beliefs and her hole gets bigger as she digs deeper.

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It's funny, just last night Kevin Spacey says he is now CHOOSING to live as a gay man.
At least he knows it's a choice;)

I think it's pretty strange that you claim to be a Christian but won't admit anything God says is true. You're even more confused than an atheist.

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lets hope you don't have any kids who maybe gay

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I don't but I would love them no matter what.

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Kevin Spacey said he now chooses to live as a gay man because he said he's had relationships with both men and women. He is obviously Bisexual but now only chooses to have relationships with men.
Kevin Spacey's coming out post is hardly any relevance at all - it doesn't prove anything.

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And...?

He still says he's choosing it.

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And...?

Sexuality isn't a choice.

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"It's very difficult to equate a loving God with words like "abomination"."

My feelings exactly. That sort of thinking only spreads cruelty and hate.
My belief is that God wants us to love and accept each other. That is what I was taught.
I obviously do not agree with this person or people who think the same way. I'll never understand them. I guess it's all a matter of what people think is right. I just find this all very sad.

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"This board is turning rotten."

Really it isn't. It's primarily one, perhaps a few, who think along these lines.

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Well, I've now lost my respect for you and your opinion unfortunately.

First of all, if it was a choice, why would people CHOOSE to live a life that people get shamed and bullied for? Why would someone choose to be gay if they just live their life in secret and don't tell anyone at all? no logic at all.

"I couldn't disagree more." How does a homosexual relationship cause any harm?
"I'm just here to tell the truth," you're not telling the truth, you're spouting hate because you believe in something out of fear.

How on Earth do people flaunt it? You mean like heterosexual people flaunt it? Give it a rest.
Uh, people can definitely be to blame for someone killing themselves. People kill themselves because of bullies all the time! I'd just like to add that you are no better than a bully. bible-believing Christians kill themselves too so that makes no sense. If you think Satan is the cause of mental illness and suicide then i urge you to read some actual science behind it. You might be religious but not everything revolves around religion, don't be so naive.

"I never stated that it was a sin. Acting upon homosexuality is." That is your words. That is what my last paragraph is referring to.

Since you are so devoted to the bible and adamant that homosexuality is an abomination, i hope you don't wear gold, pearls, eat bacon/any pork, eat shellfish, have tattoos, have sex before marriage, get divorced, gossip, eat more than you should, speak in church (if you're a woman), wear mixed fabrics and i'm sure there are many more.

You don't get to pick and choose which sins you believe in.

You remind me of those Westboro Baptist Church people. The world is still a very underdeveloped place, it's sad.

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"First of all, if it was a choice, why would people CHOOSE to live a life that people get shamed and bullied for?"

Because the enemy is behind it.

"you're not telling the truth, you're spouting hate because you believe in something out of fear."

Fear? Fear of what? You're so off the mark, it's almost laughable if it wasn't so sad.

"How on Earth do people flaunt it? You mean like heterosexual people flaunt it?"

What do you call a gay pride parade? Heterosexual people flaunt what?
If you mean that many heterosexual people are in deep sin over sexual activity, absolutely! Adultery, fornication, orgies, porn….the list goes on and on. There's a lot of sexual sin, not just homosexuality.

"Uh, people can definitely be to blame for someone killing themselves. People kill themselves because of bullies all the time! I'd just like to add that you are no better than a bully. bible-believing Christians kill themselves too so that makes no sense."

I never said Christians don’t kill themselves. You were singling out homosexuals. I’m glad you see the light! All walks of people kill themselves. Yes, including Christians. I'm not disputing that so you're the one making no sense. I'm a "bully" for speaking the truth? Hmmmm....

"If you think Satan is the cause of mental illness and suicide then i urge you to read some actual science behind it."

In part he most certainly is. Another conclusion you jumped to instead of asking me to explain. There are mental illnesses having to do with the brain, a person's life experience, hardship, etc. But when the door to Satan is opened, he will certainly enter. Most don't even know he has!

"You might be religious but not everything revolves around religion, don't be so naive."

I disagree. Everything in life has something to do with God! He created us. Why shouldn't He have something to do with every aspect of life?

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“"I never stated that it was a sin. Acting upon homosexuality is." That is your words. That is what my last paragraph is referring to.”

Ok my mistake for not starting a new paragraph! You took the 2 sentences, which were different thoughts out of context! Read it again. I was referring to gays having children when I said “I never said it was a sin.” Then I added to that and said homosexual acts are a sin.
Here it is in its whole context:
I just don't think it's right for a child to be subjected to having an unnatural couple raise them in that setting. This is my opinion, I never stated that it was a sin. (Here is where I should have started a new paragraph) Acting upon homosexuality is.

“Since you are so devoted to the bible and adamant that homosexuality is an abomination, i hope you don't wear gold, pearls, eat bacon/any pork, eat shellfish, have tattoos, have sex before marriage, get divorced, gossip, eat more than you should, speak in church (if you're a woman), wear mixed fabrics and i'm sure there are many more.”

Nice try. Some of those things were done away with in the New Testament and those laws no longer applied, such as eating pork. However, several of those things you listed still hold true today.

“You don't get to pick and choose which sins you believe in.”

Exactly!

“You remind me of those Westboro Baptist Church people. The world is still a very underdeveloped place, it's sad.”

I can’t imagine what I have in common with those folks but keep lying to yourself.
Yeah, the world is messed up because of sin!

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"Nice try. Some of those things were done away with in the New Testament and those laws no longer applied, such as eating pork. However, several of those things you listed still hold true today."

So, since you believe the bible is "God's word," which included the old testament, you must be saying that "His word" was mistaken when "He" said those supposed laws in the old testament. Where exactly did "he" say "Oops, I didn't really mean wearing gold, pearls, eating any cloven-hooved animal, shellfish, having tattoos, etc. was a mistake to be done away with and no longer apply"?

"“You don't get to pick and choose which sins you believe in.”

Exactly!"

And yet, that's EXACTLY what you're doing.

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Fear of going to hell - that's all Christianity is. You devote your life to a book you don't even know is true or false, you let a book dictate your life in hopes that heaven is real and you may possibly get into it.

So, hypothetically, you find out heaven and hell are not real, would you not regret living your life the way the bible says you should rather than the way you wanted to?

Oh man. Do you even know what Gay Pride is for? It's about fighting for their rights because they deserve as much rights as straight people. Gay people get attacked, physically and verbally abused, killed and just bullied in general just for being gay. Straight people do not.

"I'm glad you see the light!" No, no. I'm still talking about homosexuals. Christian homosexuals too. The opinion that YOU are stating is what drives young gay people, INCLUDING GAY CHRISTIANS to suicide. They hear YOUR opinion and they feel ashamed of themselves, they feel like they don't belong in the world. It's people like YOU who make them feel that way. So please, ingrain into your small-minded brainwashed self that YOUR OPINION, YOUR BELIEF, literally drives people to suicide. DO. NOT. DENY. IT.

How can God have something to do with every aspect of life? If that's so then he's responsible for every bad thing too. Cancer, diseases, life-threatening illnesses, wars, natural disasters. Such a loving man. Don't reply with that "works in mysterious ways" horseshit. Don't try blame "Satan" either.

You don't know what you have in common with WBC? Then there's your problem. They spout hate about homosexuals just like you do. They think it's an abomination, They think kids should have a mother and a father, They think marriage should be between a man and a woman, They think Gay Pride is just gay people flaunting their sexuality, all just like you do. The world isn't messed up because of sin. Religion has divided the world like nothing else has.

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If you believe god made heterosexuals, then you should accept it made homosexuals and it's all part of god's plan. Otherwise your condemnation is cultural and not spiritual. I finding it interesting that homosexuality is not one of the cardinal sins nor in the 10 commandments, but sowing discord is.

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It? God created a woman for the man. First book of the bible explains it.
Satan influenced the couple to sin; the fall of man. Sin officially entered the world.
Satan does everything counterfeit to God. He is the influence behind homosexuality. He's perverted and he seeks to devour.

Did you know there are over 600 commandments, not just 10?

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Did you know that isn't a retort to my post. God also created homosexuals, unless you believe Satan has powers of creation equal to god. So why are you spreading discord which is a sin?

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McQualude, God made human beings. He gave those humans something called free will. Here's where choices come into play.
He created ALL people.

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I believe in evolution - its a lot simpler

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This sort of thing should be decided by the voters of each individual State.

PS However it makes me want to puke.



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cats can go outside and play with one another.

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