Root Cause of Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

The Jews didn't set up that state by themselves. They were scattered to the four winds ages go in what was called the "Diaspora." They migrated in scattered, small groups across the western world, ending up in parts of Europe, northern Africa, and eventually migrating overseas to the Americas. They never had enough people or the power to take Israel back. They were aided after WWII by the western powers because the white Christians involved were horrified at what the Germans had done to them, and felt they needed to give back to the surviving Jews in a way that showed they cared. Giving Israel back to them seemed like the greatest gift, as well as fulfilling a Biblical prophecy.

The problem is, Israel has many resources and is in a strategic location. Greedy kings and emperors of many empires (including Islamic ones) have added it to their domains over the last 2,000 years. Muslims took over Israel after the Jews left and made a false claim that some mystical "third temple" belonging to their Allah existed there. They deliberately built that outrageous "dome of the rock" temple to prevent the Jews from ever rebuilding their ancient temple, just to spite them. So when the state of Israel was formed, the western powers found a bunch of Muslims squatting in the area, and the memory of Jews living there had long been erased by their leaders. They had no clue that Jews had a claim to the land that far predates any Muslim. The Jews and the Western Powers ended up chasing the local Muslims out of there and when they refused to leave, they left them in a spot called Palestine, and the Muslims have been butthurt about the situation ever since.

The Palestinians don't live to be in peace. They resent having their homes taken away and shoved into one spot like a bunch of angry, displaced indians on a reservation. So they spend all their time fighting. They don't even have anything to live for, except to fight the Jews. Every time aid is sent to them by people stupid enough to fall for their sob stories, they take all those resources and put them towards the "war effort." A fine example of this was, a decade ago, people worldwide noticed a lot of bombed out buildings in Palestine, and sent the locals concrete to rebuild their houses, businesses, and official buildings. Do you know what the Palestinians did with that concrete? They dug tunnels under the border around their land, so they could get past the Israelis guarding the borders, lined the tunnels with concrete, and used them to set up bunkers and to invade Israel right under their noses. Not one scrap of concrete went towards rebuilding their infrastructure at all.

That's what Muslims do, kill other Muslims and shout "Allahu Akbar". If white Jews want to show up there, they can live as the Romans do, or something. As far as I'm concerned, let them murder each other in peace.

"shouting 'God is Great' in the process. Do people in the west act like that?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin

Boykin, a born-again Christian with right-wing political views, has gained attention for his use of religious imagery to comment on political and social issues over the years; some of his public remarks, which cast the War on Terror in religious terms, generated considerable controversy.[12]

In an October 2003 speech to a community church in Oregon, [Lieutenant General William Gerald "Jerry"] Boykin was recorded stating that Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan."[12][13] William Arkin, military analyst for NBC News,[14] was the source of the video and audiotapes of Boykin. The following day the Los Angeles Times ran a piece on Boykin. Among several quotes, the article revealed Boykin giving a speech about hunting down Osman Atto in Mogadishu: "He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.' Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."

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It's pretty weird that this post is number 11911 for me...

Its been this way forever...some civilizations die off because of their choices.
Palestinians have shown zero to little advancement in their civilization.

Israel is way ahead, progressing.

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If you are asking what Perry Mason would call a leading question.
That is you are blaming Israel for these problems when the problem is Islam.
We know this from the past where within Muslims societies where Muslims
are told that God only loves Muslims and they are superior to everyone else,
and wants them to take over the world.

We know this from history where Islam invaded and took over most of
Southern Europe through to Spain. But we also see it since forever in
Muslims countries where non-Muslims are second class citizens who have
lesser or no human rights. Muslims in Palestine pre-Israel could bully,
beat, rob, rape, non-Muslims and did. They committed pograms against
the local Jewish population up until Israel existed.

Jews in Israel moved there and began to stand up for themselves as they
realizes that was their only hope - to create a homeland.

Non-Muslims standing up and demanding equal rights or their own lands
is the basis of Muslim hate and violence today. And when I say non-Muslims
they even discriminate against "different" varieties of Muslims. In Iran if you
are Sunni Muslims you cannot vote or run for office.

The melding of the state and Islam created a low tech totalitarian system
that is closed, repressive and unequal, even denying rights to their own
people.

Muslims like to talk about Israel being apartheid ever since the idiotic Jimmy
Carter wrote his book, but if you look at it with fresh eyes it is the elite
Muslims, in this case Hamas elites who live outside of Palestine in opulence
with great riches and who flout the dictates of their religion degrade and
dehumanize their Palestinian brothers by forcing them to live under the gun
in squalor and poverty and train them from infancy to hate and blame others
for their condition. They've created an army capable of a vicious terrorist
war as we saw the other day.

Common sense tells me that unless this system is ended Palestinians will just
keep going every so often engaging in barbaric war against the Jews, and if it
was not the Jews it would be the Christians or Hindus. When in the majority
and especially in political power Muslims will never subscribe to the Western
egalitarian democratic beliefs, and they scoff at us for thinking multiculturalism
works and use it against us by saying if we react against them, or make them
feel insulted they have the right to kill us.

Thus there has been Islamic terrorism globally since forever.

If Israel cannot end Hamas and figure out a way to either evacuate, kill or
co-opt peaceful Muslims this kind of war with continue until weapons become
so cheap and plentiful that they will end Israel.

So, Western society is in a real pickle. They either confront Islam or they
will be Islam's victims. What makes it ever worse and harder is that the
West in its zeal to promote multicultural values has allowed Muslims to
emigrate in large numbers into their countries, and has paid massive
dollars for oil, and then to get some of that money back has sold them
powerful weapons they will no doubt at some point threaten us with.

Why we are wasting time in Ukraine when this "clash of cultures" is not over
and is still the main existential struggle of the West ... I have no idea and
disagree with.

They were all scattered during WW2 until Zionists in the UK plotted the plan with the British government to create a new state after the war and what better way than where they are today. Technically they've been displaced from there long ago by the Romans so they were just coming back home in a sense (although some already lived there but were very small in number).

Palestine was there around the same time as Israel in the 8th century then recorded in the 12th. These ancient names have been there for a long time, descendants of the Noah's Ark guy. If you look at the old ancient maps, Judah, Israel, and Palestine were pretty much where they are today (until Kingdom of Israel came along).

They're doing that because of the far-right government and its ultra orthodox klan muscle that kept encroaching in their settlements and evicting them to claim it as theirs. This is what religion does to people, they think they're the chosen people and deserve it all. Eventually the other side snap so it is what it is. Mind you they went further than any sane human would do or any civilized society would allow so they'll be getting their comeuppance soon. I just hope we get good footage of all the carnage once urban warfare starts. The era of filming almost everything, especially death.

Religion is the root of all evil folks, especially the ones that take it literally, and it stands the test of time. Most of the time people just interpret it in their own way because it's written as vague as the constitution.

Jewish people from Slavic countries started to move to the middle East to form Israel in the 1890's.