I get that Anakin is supposed to be incredible, but shouldn’t Obi-Wan be up there too? It just feels a little weird that Vader helplessly threw him in the air. I mean, he could have clearly killed him right then and there.
I just think that Obi should be powerful enough to not be so vulnerable against Anakin.
If the force is coming from midichloreans, Obi-Wan would be crazy more powerful than Vader. There's precious little of Vader left, and his blood is probably filtered and filled with chemicals. That's how I always viewed the weaker Jedi skills in the OT as compared to the PT. Luke is an untrained noob who doesn't have any combat training whatsoever, and Vader is more machine than man. Vader is very lucky all the Jedi were wiped out by Order 66 or he would have been hunted down and finished off in short order. He's just a dog on a leash for the Emperor, who's probably pretty pleased with how that turned out. That boy could have been a serious threat to him. So when they portray Vader as this just unstoppable ass kicking lunatic, I don't really buy it. They made Vader look scary as hell and gave him an intimidating fortress for a reason. He's all smoke and mirrors. End of the day, he can do a few tricks like slowly choke people to death. I think some of the higher ups in the Empire saw through him and that's why they had no respect for his ass in the OT.
shareThat's ridiculous. Vader is a beast. How much of his organic body is left has nothing to do with his force powers. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter", Yoda said. With the suit he lost agility and speed but gained raw strength. His force powers are massive, only second to Palpatine.
shareIm pretty sure he's making fun of the whole "midichloreans" concept from the prequels.
The OT was all about becoming a Jedi thru training and believing in yourself, not about being born special.
"The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it". It was also about being born special in the OT.
shareWhat are the "OT" and the "PT"?
shareOT is overtime and PT means part time
sharewhy do you purposely act stupid , you know dam well OT means original trilogy , and PT prequel trilogy , its so weird how you seek attention
shareThat poster has been a bit off ever since all those incidents where his college professor put things up into his bum. Prof would always say "Gotta fill that plot hole!". And then woop-woop, into the bum goes some school supply like a pencil or a stapler.
shareSpeaking of my college professor, I am meeting him later today at a Pro Palestine rally
shareYour college professor sounds very insightful and intelligent. Do you think I might be able to meet him one day? Also before I do could you please give me a heads up and let me know your professors preferred pronouns and what he/she/they identify as?
shareMaybe. Maybe not.
Mike Tyson should have been powerful enough to defeat Buster Douglas that night. But he wasn't.
If you don't use it, you lose it.
That means nothing because neither Tyson or Buster Douglas have force sensitive powers
shareOh? Do you think the fight would have ended differently if they had force powers instead of boxing gloves?
How about you swap force powers with perceived boxing ability.
Yes, for sure. The fighter with the most force powers would knock the other guy down very fast. But we can't compare boxing gloves to something fake like the force
shareI was joking about the gloves.
Tyson was a more powerful boxer. Yet he lost to Douglas.
So being the most powerful at something doesn't guarantee success.
Douglas beating Tyson in the boxing world was considered a plot hole at the time. There just was no reasonable explanation for that outcome to happen
shareNo it wasn't. It was immediately understood afterwards that Douglas had come prepared while Tyson did not. Nobody tried to claim it violated some BS "lore".
shareHave you not been paying attention? Obi-Wan has been hiding and living a hermit's existence, and willfully turning his back to the force, for a decade. He has not trained or practice, or likely even given any thought whatsoever, to his Jedi past. Vader, meanwhile, has been training daily, and expanding his powers through constant usage. If anything, the least believable aspect of their fight was that Kenobi was able to survive at all.
shareNo, he shouldn't be. In fact, even at his peak (say ROTS) he's below Anakin/Vader. Look at how Dooku easily beats him, the same Dooku that is then quickly defeated by Anakin. The reason the battle in Mustafar is even is because Obi-Wan has been his master for years and knows him better than anyone. He didn't defeat him because he was more powerful, but because Anakin was too arrogant and overconfident and made a very stupid decision.
Don't get me wrong, he's quite powerful in his own right, but he's no Vader.
That’s a totally decent argument. I’d say that Dooku simply had Obi’s number, but Obi was still good enough to beat Maul. Dooku trained Qui-Gon, and was allegedly one of the best swordsman in the Jedi.
I always figured that Obi was able to go toe-to-toe with Anakin because no one knew Anakin more than he did (even if Anakin was more powerful).
I get that Vader was simply more powerful, but at the moment in time that I posted the thread, it felt a little strange that Obi seemed so helpless.
Hehe…it all makes a little more sense now.
Obi beat Anakin because of the terrain / setting; and Obi’s combat style (which relies on defense, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake) worked against Anakin’s rage
shareObi was in his prime in Episode IV, so that version of Obi would’ve put up a good fight.
But he’s older in this series, and he had just spent 10 years idle, not practicing fighting or using the force. In contrast, Vader was still in his prime