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Hehe...Sorry! It was intended for the original post. I'm sure you're much more reasonable than the topic creator. Details like this are interesting to think about (if someone was genuinely curious about them), but it's obvious to me why a newborn could reasonably be immune to the darkness in the movie - They simply don't have the capacity to act on it either way. However, it would have been interesting if they touched on the idea. For instance, a baby refuses to consume if they were exposed to the...whatever it was. A newborn baby can't actually "see" in the same way that an adult can. A newborn's vision is incredibly limited...like, they can't see beyond a couple of feet. They're not instantly born to absorb information. Kids absorb information at an incredibly fast rate, but a newborn takes a hot minute to understand the world that they're born into. IMO, the "ghosts" in the movie couldn't have really corrupted newborns in the movie. Babies are simply not sophisticated enough to employ the "message" that's trying to be sent. It's a wasted effort. They "could" corrupt a newborn, but that newborn isn't going to do anything for them...but just sit there and be "infected"...until they die because no one took care of them. This is a movie that has no business being considered a "good" movie, but at the same time, this is a movie that SCREAMS 80s pop. IMO, this movie is a notch below Ferries Buelluer, but any kid that grew up in the era has kinda of a soft heart for the Corey's. I LOVE the Corey's in the 80's, and they just happened to act in movies in the era that I have a deep nostalgia for. However, they didn't act in movies that I would consider absolute garbage. For me, these movies go hand-in-hand with the John Hughes movies of the 80s. I think 80s high school comedy, I instantly think of John Hughes and "Corey" flicks. When I think of teenage years of the era, it was pulled off perfectly...and it was pulled off cinematically pretty accurately...to the point where I'd think the material is still relevant. I wouldn't simply call it bravery and single-mindedness - Anyone that puts on a uniform has to be brave enough to go on these kind of missions. Poe has talent, and is recognized by the enemy as the most talented fighter pilot in the resistance - It's practically gift-wrapped information within the first 5 minutes of TFA. Luke was talented and Poe was talented. Luke is force sensitive, but we don't know if Poe is too. Poe certainly comes across as a more gifted pilot than Luke. Luke summoned the force in a movie that Lucas wrote and directed. In the new trilogy, Rey doesn't have to summon the force to be great at everything. By extension, neither does Poe. They're just incredibly good at what they do. Is it the force? Well, there's still one movie left to "subvert expectations". When the resistance has got a foot in the grave, and is down to its last 400 members, well, yeah I think sharing vital information with one of its most important members is worth doing. It simply baffles me that in the face of a mutiny, Holdo insists on keeping her mouth shut...as if the mutiny couldn't possibly alter her master plan. The reality of it is that she keeps her mouth shut, because Johnson still wants to keep the audience out of the loop as to her intentions. On another note, it's a complete curiosity that the Falcon couldn't ferry everyone off of the Raddus safely. Where did Chewie go when he dropped Rey off at Snoke's ship? What kind of situation did Rey and Chewie think they were in when Rey got dropped off? He simply hyperdrives to their location (undetected, I would assume), and then poof...like a fart in the wind...just waiting god-knows-where to get an uber call from Rey. Be damned the 400 resistance fighters in peril, I'll just wait somewhere else for Rey to turn Kylo, kill Snoke, and call in a ride when she's done. I'll just make a daring appearance when Rose is about to bite the dust (but after half the resistance fighters have been killed). Good grief, stop? That's your way of ending a debate? You didn't even quote something outlandish to make anyone doubt its premise. Sure, ignore EVERYTHING else in my previous post...it makes too much goddamn sense. Luke destroyed the Death Star, and Poe destroyed Starkiller base. Poe pulled a Luke. Coincidently enough, they both needed Han's co-operation to make it possible; adding yet another detail (that I hadn't thought of previously) of how TFA completely bites off of ANH. It's more like "Good grief, I'm poking holes all over The Last Jedi". The new trilogy is being created by VERY casual fans of Ep 1-6 - All the familiar imagery without any of the soul. Kind of like Terminator and Aliens sequels. I don't disagree with any of this. Prometheus definitely feels like it was built with a direct sequel in mind, however, fleeting reception turned its sequel into a long wait. By the time a sequel was ready to be made, it turned into a mad dash to create a reason to get an audience to buy a ticket - Let's get the Aliens in here, like NOW...fuck what we had planned with the Engineers. I really don't believe that Covenant was the sequel that Scott had in mind when he created Prometheus, but circumstances forced his hand into fast-forwarding a bit to get the Aliens into the movie...which inadvertently created a narrative that neither Prometheus fans or Aliens fans were on board with. IMO, it also didn't help that Scott seemed to not understand why his original movie was so effective. Any mysteries that he may have set up with his original movie seemed to have been answered with fan fiction level writing 35 years later. Watching Prometheus and Covenant now almost makes me feel like he simply got lucky with the original Alien, or that he was simply at the right place (with the right people) at the right time. By the time Covenant happened, I was practically shocked that I'd rather watch Alien: Resurrection, and I really wasn't expecting that. I was at a 5 with Prometheus with the hope that Covenant could elevate it, but now I'm much more interested in someone else taking over. These sequels feel like Terminator movies after T2 - Some of the familiar imagery without any of the soul. What's frustrating is that there's some interesting ideas in these movies, but they're at odds with desires of creating something that will make a lot of money. Thinking about it now, I think George Miller has been the only one to take an 80s movie franchise (Mad Max), and turned it into something that feels convincingly relevant in recent years. FR is the only movie that I can think of where I don't have to make excuses for enjoying it as much as the originals. Because Holdo couldn't be on the level. Every minute that she withholds vital information is another minute that a distrustful nature can lead to a mutiny - A mutiny that can potentially destroy the plan. The resistance is in a dire, hopeless situation. Death is knocking on the door. What's her course of action? Silence. What does she say when two remaining freighters go down? Nothing. What's the plan? It's a simple question. How the hell are we going to get out of this? Why should I be beholden to what this person has to say any further? At this point, who gives a shit about a chain of command? Is she the enemy? She certainly acted like it, and Poe naturally treated her like one. It's not about the movie taking directions that I either liked or didn't. It's more that the direction they chose wasn't executed very well. The movie spent so much time with a side story that ultimately led to what happens when Holdo refuses to tell desperate people how they're going to live to see another day. Forty minutes of screen time that probably would have been better spent explaining how Luke became a completely different character over the last 30 years. Perhaps a better understanding of Kilo Ren's motivations, or his relationship to Snoke. Who's Snoke? I guess we'll never know. Rey is the perfect Jedi. How? Why? I'm curious. Aren't those questions more intriguing than a dick swinging contest between Poe and Holdo? What exists could have been good. I just don't think it is. Poe pulled a Luke on Starkiller base. He was able to pull off something that several other fighters couldn't. If he wasn't able to pull off what he did, they'd all be dead. That's how the movie was created, and that's how an audience is meant to accept it. The guy is a hero. The Last Jedi sells the dreadnaught as "a fleet killer". That's the movie giving me information that it feels is important. What's left of the resistance? A fleet. Putting two and two together, I would surmise that a fleet isn't going to last long against a fleet killer. Getting rid of the fleet killer is probably a good idea if a fleet is all you have. I think that your running under the assumption that Leia and Holdo were well-written characters in a well-written movie. Why wouldn't Leia and Holdo want the dreadnaught destroyed? If a tie fighter is capable of taking out their hanger bay AND their bridge, why isn't the FO simply finishing the job with hundreds of tie fighters? Doesn't make sense, even if there was a throwaway line as to how the the Star Destroyers couldn't protect the tie fighters - Does it matter if the resistance hanger bay and the bridge is already toast? What kind of damage can the fleet-killing dreadnaught do to their fleet? Well, we'll never know because Poe was written to prioritize its destruction. Why does he prioritize it? Because they have a better chance of survival without its presence? Why don't Leia and Holdo prioritize it? Probably because they're just going to jump into hyperspace. But whoops, they're following us anyway. Ok, now they're better off without the dreadnaught in the picture. Good thing Poe got rid of it. Now here's the new plan? Poe became agreeable to the escape plan only after Leia put him in his place over his, Finn's and Rose's failed plan? When else was he supposed to become agreeable to it? That was the first time that he heard it. Why wouldn't he have been agreeable to it before? It was a good plan. If they had told Poe earlier, Finn and Rose wouldn't have had a plan to screw up. I mean, the man performs a mutiny because he cares. Don't you think THEN would have been a good time to reveal her plan? You know, before he potentially does something that can ruin it completely? The screenwriter was infatuated with making Holdo ambiguous to the unfortunate detriment of how it affected everything else. Because of it, we have about 40 minutes of side story that doesn't ultimately lead anywhere. Actually, more resistance fighters die because of it, but the screenplay doesn't dwell on that major screw up. It doesn't jive well when Poe is oddly written as a character that is making sound decisions that has kept the resistance alive long enough to even get into a position for Holdo to play games. This is just one aspect of the movie that felt silly. The new movies feel like they were constructed out of a half-read Star Wars Cliff's Notes, and feel completely disconnected from episodes 1-6. Very fan-fiction. It's not that I want Poe to be a one dimensionally heroic character, it's just that he's simply written that way, and has been since his introduction to the saga. He destroyed Starkiller base. For all intents and purposes, the guy is a major hero. Destroying the dreadnaught was ultimately a good call by the one dimensionally heroic character. In retrospect, you'd think that Rose would be just as gooey-eyed over Poe as Finn. Anyhow, I'm certain that the predicament that the resistance has found itself in is better without the dreadnaught in the picture...which is why the screenwriter decided to eliminate it then and there? The screenwriter knew well enough that not destroying "a fleet killer" right there wouldn't work for the rest of the movie (just like Poe thought), but then decided to write Leia and Holdo as characters that couldn't value the destruction of "a fleet killer"...when a fleet is all that is left of them. This, of course, is ignoring that the bombing fleet (as presented) shouldn't have destroyed the dreadnaught in the first place. The bombing ships were so brittle, large, and slow that none of them should have gotten anywhere near close enough to present a threat. That being said, if they weren't written to take down the dreadnaught then, I can't imagine where else in the script they would have been useful. Perhaps to run out of fuel as well and get destroyed anyway? Tie fighters did well enough shredding them apart. Of course, Holdo is written to keep audiences guessing. It's just done in the dumbest ways. Can't trust Poe? Really? The resistance is down to 400 people with a foot in the grave, and you want to play I've-got-a-bigger-dick-than-you with one of your most valuable members? And then after she's done playing that silly game with him - resulting in a mutiny - she laughs it off with Leia, claiming "I like him too". Really? View all replies >