In the latest episode of the show neither Mando, Cara or anyone else acted like they had ever had any knowledge of the Force when they saw what Baby Yoda could do.. This made me wonder if their were certain parts of the galaxy where they have no knowledge of Jedi or The Force at all..
shareThere is no continuety in SW, never was. Certainly not now it died after TLJ
shareThat's because of several factors, the Empire being one of them.
See, it had been over 30 years since Order 66 had been carried out, as well as much knowledge of the Jedi (such as in libraries) being stamped out. It doesn't take very long for ordinary people to forget things, even stories and legends of the Jedi and their unusual abilities. Plus, the title character appears to have mostly been working in the Outer Rim, where information didn't reach as easily. I mean, they don't have any form of the internet like we do, nor do they have major news services to keep the public informed on anything.
Best that can happen is by word of mouth; travelers physically and verbally bringing news to other planets, and it takes a long time for word of mouth to travel across star systems, and not everyone will hear of what was happening in detail. That, and it appears the Mandalorian never even saw a Jedi in his life, let alone knew anything about the Force. In fact, it's common for non-Force-users to even know what it is, particularly if they live in remote areas the Jedi have never had contact with.
"See, it had been over 30 years since Order 66 had been carried out"
30 years is nothing. That's 1990 for us, which I remember like it was yesterday.
"as well as much knowledge of the Jedi (such as in libraries) being stamped out."
Libraries? Says who?
"It doesn't take very long for ordinary people to forget things"
Yes, it does. Every person has countless memories that they will retain for a lifetime; once something is locked into long-term memory it's going nowhere until they die, and 30 years is far less than an average lifetime.
"even stories and legends of the Jedi and their unusual abilities."
Those are the sort of stories that people never forget, especially when integrated into a major galaxy-changing war (Clone War) that resulted in the Republic becoming an Empire. On top of that is the high-drama of betrayal, turncoats, intrigue, and the hunting down and destruction of the Jedi, which wasn't a black operation, but rather, was publicly announced in the Senate by Palpatine.
"Plus, the title character appears to have mostly been working in the Outer Rim, where information didn't reach as easily."
At least two of them are very well-traveled (the Mandalorian and the sturdy chick, which is a former Rebel Alliance soldier). The higher-ups in the Rebel Alliance were throwing around the phrase "May the force be with you/us" a lot in RotJ, and Luke Skywalker, a Jedi, was the most prominent figure in the Rebellion, starting with him blowing up the first Death Star, yet somehow, she's never heard of the force and/or Jedi? That's absurd.
"I mean, they don't have any form of the internet like we do, nor do they have major news services to keep the public informed on anything."
Why wouldn't they have major news services? They have "TV" (as seen in the Star Wars Holiday Special). You think they have cooking shows on TV but not news?
"Best that can happen is by word of mouth"
Word of mouth, TV, documents, schools, and something akin to the internet can be assumed to exist, since even in the first entry of the franchise, data transmissions were a thing (an intercepted data transmission is how the Rebels stole the plans to the Death Star), and the internet is simply a wide area network enabling the widespread transmission of data.
*Sigh* I've explained it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Are you even aware that these stories take place in another galaxy? You act as if the people in the Star Wars galaxy know the same things we do, and have the same culture. We seriously don't, which is why Lucas often started his stories with "A long time ago...in a galaxy, far, far, away..."
A lot can happen in 30 years, including 2 new generations of children being born among humans, as well as other sentient races in the galaxy. Those are people who are not gonna know what it was like to live during the time before the Empire, and won't understand the pain and sorrow their parents and grandparents went through, losing their freedom and living under an oppressive regime like the Empire for over 20-some years. Just because one generation remembers stuff, doesn't mean other one will, particularly when the earlier generation is killed while their kids are young.
You really think a guy who was a child during the Clone Wars, and did not have any direct involvement in the Rebellion against the Empire is gonna know what was going on in detail during those events? A lot of that information wasn't common knowledge. Most of the galaxy learned the major details, not the minor ones.
A lot of information about the Jedi (as well as the galaxy in general) was stored in libraries. While I know someone of your electronic-addicted generation doesn't appreciate what such places of knowledge have to offer, people in the SW galaxy did make use of them...until they were destroyed by the Empire. It's hard to get any information on anything if all major sources of knowledge are wiped from existence. You can't just dismiss such information with a wave of your hand.
It actually doesn't. It's not very nice to say so, but many people in the world are stupid, and the Star Wars galaxy is no exception. Often regular people can't even remember what they had for breakfast, let alone what happened in the world a year ago. What makes you think everyone in the Star Wars galaxy is gonna have long memories? Especially when many who were involved with the Jedi were murdered by the empire? It's hard to pass on information to the kids when you're dead.
Any major news services that weren't spewing propaganda by the Empire were destroyed. There is talk of how they had a "holo-net," but that's more of a retcon than anything mainstream fans talk about. When the original trilogy was made in the 1970s, we didn't have the Internet, so the SW galaxy didn't have their own equivalent either. It wasn't until The Old Republic games came about, they came up with a "holo-net" people used in the SW galaxy thousands of years ago. Any possible later version of the "holo-net" they might have had in later millennia were controlled exclusively by the Empire, and not everyone had access to it. Even worse, it was heavily monitored, and the only information available was only stuff sanctioned by the Imperial Government (at least, that's what my brother told me). Think of it, as kinda like the internet in North Korea. Highly isolated, not easily accessible by outsiders, and heavily regulated/monitored.
Are you even aware of what the galaxy was like during the days of the Empire? You really need to read up on how so much was lost because of them, and you can see its after-effects in this tv show, including ignorance and the effects of lost knowledge.
"*Sigh* I've explained it to you, but I can't understand it for you."
Comical Irony Alert
You can't understand it at all, which is why I was able to refute your assertions, obviously.
"Are you even aware that these stories take place in another galaxy? You act as if the people in the Star Wars galaxy know the same things we do, and have the same culture. We seriously don't, which is why Lucas often started his stories with "A long time ago...in a galaxy, far, far, away..." "
That paragraph didn't logically follow from anything I said, and as such, it's a non sequitur. Consider your non sequitur dismissed out of hand.
Your next two paragraphs (except for the last sentence of your second paragraph) are dismissible non sequiturs as well. The main characters in this movie had never heard of the Jedi, which is utterly absurd. No one is suggesting that everyone should have been aware of every last historical detail. And as for your last sentence that I mentioned:
"Most of the galaxy learned the major details, not the minor ones."
Exactly, and the Jedi are definitely among the major details.
"A lot of information about the Jedi (as well as the galaxy in general) was stored in libraries."
What of it?
"While I know someone of your electronic-addicted generation doesn't appreciate what such places of knowledge have to offer, people in the SW galaxy did make use of them"
Comical Irony Alert: Part II
In all likelihood, I'm older than you are, airhead. And even if I'm not older than you, I was in my mid 20s before the internet/WWW was mainstream, so your crystal ball is in need of repair.
"until they were destroyed by the Empire. It's hard to get any information on anything if all major sources of knowledge are wiped from existence. You can't just dismiss such information with a wave of your hand."
First, there would still be countless people alive who remember back 30 years or more. Second, the common knowledge of what a Jedi wouldn't be going away any time soon, considering how much influence they had throughout the galaxy. Third, your assertion that the Empire destroyed every library in the Empire needs a citation, not that it helps your argument in any way, because 30 years isn't anywhere near long enough for people to forget about something as major as the Jedi. Also, in this show it has only been 5 years since a Jedi put an end to the Empire, a Jedi that was part of the same Rebel Alliance as Gina Carano's character was, no less.
"It actually doesn't. It's not very nice to say so, but many people in the world are stupid, and the Star Wars galaxy is no exception. Often regular people can't even remember what they had for breakfast, let alone what happened in the world a year ago. What makes you think everyone in the Star Wars galaxy is gonna have long memories? Especially when many who were involved with the Jedi were murdered by the empire? It's hard to pass on information to the kids when you're dead."
Utterly irrelevant. What you had for breakfast is short-term memory, which is a completely different thing from long-term memory. Try to find someone who's unaware of the Kennedy assasination, or 9/11, or the Vietnam war, or WWII, and so on. It doesn't matter if they're stupid; as long as they aren't actually retarded, they will know of major events in history, even without looking it up on the internet or at a library.
"Any major news services that weren't spewing propaganda by the Empire were destroyed."
Even if that's true (citation needed, again), it doesn't matter, given that part of the propaganda pertained to the Jedi. You can hear the start of that propaganda straight from the Emperor himself in RotS when, while addressing the senate, he declared the Republic to be an Empire. He said that the Jedi were traitors and that they would be hunted down and defeated.
"When the original trilogy was made in the 1970s, we didn't have the Internet, so the SW galaxy didn't have their own equivalent either."
We had something akin to the internet just as those in the Star Wars universe had something akin to the internet. In addition to Arpanet, which dates back to the early 1960s, we also had plenty of data transfers going on over phone lines via modems througout the 1970s, even by ordinary people. The internet is just a specific form of a wide area network, based on the TCP/IP protocol stack. Any type of wide-area transmission of computer data is akin to the internet, and Star Wars had that from day one.
I should have known it was pointless to try and explain it to you.
shareComical Irony Alert: Part III
You have to be on the right side of the argument before you can legitimately explain anything, obviously. In any case, since you didn't address anything I said and you have no further arguments, your tacit concession is noted.
You're wrong on this one, my friend. The SW books I've read in the Lucas era explained it clearly. Thanks to Palpatine, the people turned against the Jedi as child kidnappers who tried to overtthrow the government and rule it which lead to support of getting rid of them. Then, the Empire suppressed the religion and knowledge about the Jedi. Any citizen in a tyranny would learn to keep their mouths shut or face the consequences. Records were wiped and a death or prison sentence to those caught with banned data. Btw, even at the height of Jedi government involvement, not everyone knew about them. At the beginning of The Phantom Menace, one of the aliens is being told about them. There weren't that many Jedi even at that time and the galaxy was vast. I'm usually surprised how little knowledge people younger than I am have about things that I would consider common and obvious only a few short years ago. Even now, truth in the U. S. has become unsure because we have a Palpatine in the making who lies constantly and creates propaganda with help from his media cohorts and political allies. Half the people believe obvious government lies. On a similar note, there are Holocaust deniers. Truth and information are the first to go in a tyranny which is why news media is demonized, suppressed and its journalists thrown in prison - or killed.
share"You're wrong on this one, my friend."
Your mere assertion is dismissed.
"The SW books I've read in the Lucas era explained it clearly."
Books don't count, but for the sake of argument...
"Thanks to Palpatine, the people turned against the Jedi as child kidnappers who tried to overtthrow the government and rule it which lead to support of getting rid of them."
Which inherently means the people knew of the Jedi (you obviously can't turn people against something they've never heard of), and in doing so, made them even more well-known (infamy creates even stronger memories than fame, due to the scandalous drama associated with it).
The rest of your post is a non sequitur. The problem doesn't pertain to people perhaps not knowing the truth about the Jedi due to propaganda, the problem is that the main characters in this show had never even heard of the Jedi, despite being well-traveled and despite one of them being a former Rebel Alliance soldier, just like Luke Skywalker (you know, the famous Jedi who destroyed the Empire about 5 years prior) was. That is utterly absurd.
You're still wrong on this one.
The explanation was in the novelization of the prequel movies. Take it up with George Lucas.
"You're still wrong on this one."
Your mere gainsaying is dismissed.
"The explanation was in the novelization of the prequel movies. Take it up with George Lucas."
As I've already pointed out, the explanation doesn't support your position. Once again:
The problem doesn't pertain to people perhaps not knowing the truth about the Jedi due to propaganda, the problem is that the main characters in this show had never even heard of the Jedi, despite being well-traveled and despite one of them being a former Rebel Alliance soldier, just like Luke Skywalker (you know, the famous Jedi who destroyed the Empire about 5 years prior) was. That is utterly absurd.
Thanks to Palpatine, the people turned against the Jedi as child kidnappers who tried to overtthrow the government and rule it which lead to support of getting rid of them.
Take it up with the EU. I'm only the messenger.
shareWhat? What does this have to do with anything?
You're not being a messenger here. You are actively advocating that Palpatine turning people against the Jedi is a reasonable explanation for why people forgot they existed. That makes no sense.
This sort of knowledge lasts centuries. Consider classic Greek mythology. People believed in gods, heroes, and monsters from mythology via poems and plays. They had no evidence, it was their religion.
shareThe classic mythology was just a myth and it persists millenia. Jedi were real people that did real things. There was the Senate and the Jedi temple right there in the Galaxy's capital. It's not like the existence of an entire order couldn't be verified 30 years after it ended.
That's like saying you've seen the stories about the Soviet Union or the Berlin Wall, but you don't believe any of it because you've never seen it yourself.
/eyeroll
The average citizen never saw or encountered a Jedi. It also seems that the Empire convinced the masses that the Jedi were charlatans and traitors. So, even those who remembered the Jedi wouldn't likely believe their powers were real. This explains why Solo acts the way he does in the original film.
"The average citizen never saw or encountered a Jedi."
I've never seen or encountered a Green Beret, Navy SEAL, ninja, samurai, medieval knight, viking, Spartan, etc. What of it?
"It also seems that the Empire convinced the masses that the Jedi were charlatans and traitors."
So? That means the masses should have heard of Jedi, even if they believed that they were traitors.
"So, even those who remembered the Jedi wouldn't likely believe their powers were real. This explains why Solo acts the way he does in the original film."
The problem is that the main characters in this show had never even heard of the Jedi, which is absurd.
Most of the galaxy never saw the Jedi and only heard about them. During the prequels, most people had heard about the Jedi. But at the beginning of the Phantam Menace, one of the Nemoidians asked, "Have you ever seen a Jedi?" and the other said, "Well, no ... " Later Anakin said to Qui Gon, "I think you are a Jedi."
When we get to Eposode iV, Han says, "Hokie religions and ancient weapons are not match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Luke then says, "You don't believe in the Force, do you?" Han replies,"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff. But I've never seen anything to make be believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything."
Finally, in Eiposde VII, Rey says, "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth."
Most people might hear stories but have never actually seen a force user. They may or may not even believe the stories.
Yep.
share"Most of the galaxy never saw the Jedi and only heard about them. During the prequels, most people had heard about the Jedi. But at the beginning of the Phantam Menace, one of the Nemoidians asked, "Have you ever seen a Jedi?" and the other said, "Well, no ... " Later Anakin said to Qui Gon, "I think you are a Jedi.""
The problem is that the Mandalorian and Company had never even heard of the Jedi or "the force", which is absurd.
"When we get to Eposode iV, Han says, "Hokie religions and ancient weapons are not match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Luke then says, "You don't believe in the Force, do you?" Han replies,"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff. But I've never seen anything to make be believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything.""
Again, Han had obviously heard of "the force" before, he simply thought it was a trick, like magicians do.
"Finally, in Eiposde VII, Rey says, "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth.""
That's some more stupid writing under the helm of Disney, but regardless of that, she'd at least heard of him.
I didn't know the force could be used as a healing power. I guess neither did they.
shareI don't like it. It's not like the force was big just during the prequels. It was a firmly established thing for thousands of years.
shareMost of the franchise has revolved around people who were, or had direct contact with, Jedi and/or Sith and were familiar with their abilities. One of the unique things about this series is that we're getting a look at what life is like for ordinary folks. People far from the centers of galactic power and destiny-shaping events.
While there may be well-established news and computer networks on the heavily populated urbanized worlds they don't appear to have instantaneous com capability. That prevents them from extending those networks into a galaxy-wide internet. There's no faster way to spread information from one system to another than a ship making the journey through hyperspace. We know the outer rim of this galaxy is more thinly populated with less law and order than areas closer to the center. It's a bit like the Old West.
The Force is probably the stuff of legend to most people. The only reason the Jedi ever had significant numbers was because they were drawing from an entire galaxy of inhabited planets - we're talking about several hundred billion systems. It's likely most worlds have never contributed a single Jedi from among their populations. Powerful Force users are exceedingly rare. Given that, for most people living out in the sticks (so to speak) it's probably just ancient myth and religious mumbo jumbo. There are probably so many inconsistent stories about what the Force actually is and how it manifests that most of them wouldn't immediately recognize what they were seeing. They'd call it magic or sorcery, like the Mandalorian priestess (who at least knew of the Jedi).
Luke Skywalker had never heard of the Force, either. It seems that it was considered an ancient religion and a myth by most who had, and most had never heard of it.
share"Luke Skywalker had never heard of the Force, either."
He knew about the Clone Wars and that the Jedi participated in it. He simply didn't know the details of the Jedi religion, such as the use of "the force":
Luke Skywalker: "You fought in the Clone Wars?"
Obi-Wan Kenobi: "Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight like your father."
Luke Skywalker: "I wish I'd known him."
In this show the main characters have never even heard of the Jedi, which is absurd.
It's Been like that since a New Hope knowledge of the Force and Jedi wasn't consistent just in that film alone...by ROTJ the Force is a well know thing..everyone is saying May The Force be with You by the end of ANH......lol....
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