This film is a rip off of taxi driver 1982 film hope this film would be disaster and hamada would be fired by wb and wb would stop making elseworld shit and will focus to make man of steel 2 and the solo batman film (Firing hack reeves ) from film
shareI have seen 5 year olds write better than that. Get yourself an education son.
shareTaxi driver ? Why is it a rip off of taxi driver?
shareGo and see taxi driver movie lol
shareI have seen Taxi Driver, and would still llike you to explain why it is a rip off.
shareIve seen Taxi Driver numerous times, great film may i add, this is a film about an Vietnam war vet who gets a job as a Taxi Driver to cope with his depression, instanity, insomnia and becomes besotted with a prositute and plots to assainate a a presdential candidate, so , please tell me how on earth Joker is a rip off of Taxi Driver ? Have you actually seen Taxi Driver ? Do you know the plot for Joker ?
sharevietnam war vet :-Joker aka arthur fleck
Prostitute :-Zazie beetz character
Presidential candidate :- Thomas wayne lol can't you figure it out
it's bruce wayne, idiot
nope
shareexcuse me, that's not an answer
shareHe didnt get it wrong. He wasnt mistakenly referring to bruce as Thomas. He was explaining the parallel to Taxi Driver. Thomas Wayne is correct. Thomas Wayne is to Joker as Pallantine is to Taxi Driver. Nothing to do with Bruce.
bruce created the joker so i think it's got everything to do with him IMHO
shareBut that isnt the context to which he was referring. It has nothing to do with Bruce when you're describing aspects in common with another film that influenced this one. He didnt misfire. You did with your name-calling comment. What you say now about the Joker's creation is irrelevant to the parallels between the two films.
sharei don't have time to argue the history of gotham city with you this morning,
goodbye
it's bruce wayne, idiot
i stick to my guns,
it's been an admirable trait (as pointed out by others to an almost annoying degree),
i have to loose some respect for this so-called "poster" who deleted their opinion after being bullied by others, & internet bullying? that's a bigger discussion i won't engage in on this "movie fun" board
Bullying? From you who called another an idiot?
No one replied to the other poster. I watched it appear then quickly disappear. eYeDEF realized the error and deleted the post. So stick to your guns all you want. It's just a stubborn lack of admission to being wrong. eYeDEF knew the goof and fixed it without any prompting from anyone. So you're wrong about that too.
But keep pretending this is about Gotham history and Bruce -- when it's only about comparable roles in another movie that influenced this one -- if it makes you feel better. But quadrupling down on wrong doesnt make it right -- and certainly not admirable. Admirable would be admitting that you misfired.
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I highly disagree. The joker is a very intriguing character. The only reason I enjoyed The Dark Knight was because of his character. It certainly wasn't because of Batman. Just sayin...
shareI just think you're fundamentally wrong. I'm looking forward to watching this, I don't care about Batman.
With apologies to the late Heath Ledger, I believe Joaquin was born to play this role. He has such a great presence playing sinister and diabolical characters. His Commodus in Gladiator was a role for the ages.
Ledger was terrible as Joker.
He played the character more like a pervert and his voice and mannerisms was from a western that is slipping my mind. It was a 70s western with a perverted character. It was like the same exact character.
The Joker is insane having the characteristics of extreme mania. The opposite of logical Batman. Also, Joker is a "Joker" which is 1940s slang for a kind "douchebag" who finds miserable things, human folly, violence, etc to be funny. He would kill people and watch them die in pain because to him that's "slapstick" comedy.
So far, the closest to that kind of crazy what Nicholson's Joker but that's it. Ledger's joker reminded me of a pedo and he had a rational philosophy called Nihilism that life is pointless. Meanwhile, the Joker ought to be a horror movie level character that brings chaos to the story and is very difficult for Batman to figure out.
So far the character hasn't really been done well.
How was Ledger's Joker a pervert? He wasn't a sexual deviant at all. Just a nihilist who wanted to poison and corrupt everything 'good.'
shareI meant his demeanor.
I think the actor stole that voice and character from a 70s western that is escaping my mind. The character was like a weirdo deviant hillbilly type.
My point was that his acting had nothing to do with the character nor did his motivations. So it was bad acting and writing.
I have worked in psych for a long time and with criminals for a long time. There are actually people like Joker who can't stop laughing and things like people thrashing around dying is funny. Making a Joker character NOT LIKE THAT IS WEIRD and stupid.
Also, the Joker has no logical motive for doing things, which is very important to the character.
This seems to be a really forced way of hating on Ledger's portrayal of the character. But to each his own.
shareWhy forced?
It's the opposite.
I'm clearly explaining.
He never appears manic, rather he is a subdued talking to himself mumbler, like a pervert stereotype. He doesn't act "clownish". He never ever loses it and starts laughing, which would have been a nice touch. He is completely right in many ways and isn't insane, he's just cynical.
The writing and directing were HORRIBLE and that's not the actor's fault, but goddamn, research the character if you're going to play him!
About this movie: I thought it was going to suck, but it was actually very good. It was fairly on point regarding how he developed psychologically.
I don't like that he wears makeup though. I like the disfigured face from the comics and Jack Nicholson's version.
Never appears maniac? How about killing X amount of people, blowing up buildings, trying to turn society into a jungle? Just because some of what he says about people is sensible doesn't mean his way of trying to prove his point isn't crazy
He does act clownish, just not cartoonishly so. He dressed like one, for one thing. He wears a few gadgets on him (including blades manufactured into his shoes.) He laughs plenty and giggles in a rather whimsical way at times. Has a dark sense of humor. Showed enough traits of a clown to pass for a realistic take of The Joker.
You don't know what "manic" means.
You should look it up.
I told you, I have literally seen people like Joker in real life.
It is BIZARRE to be dressed like a clown and not act clowning, I mean come on! It's part of his identity. Batman is a Bat-Ninja and he acts like it. He's does a voice and everything. Meanwhile, Joker, in full clown makeup and purple suit acts like some rational gangster.
It was terrible.
If his face was chemically disfigured and he was forced to look like a clown, but didn't act like it, okay. But, this guy DRESSES LIKE A CLOWN but acts like a clever gangster/psychopath.
It was a good movie, but terrible writing for this character.
They got very messed up by the whole "realism" in these movies. The Batmobile turns its light out on the highway and cops in a helicopter can't see it. That was super stupid and it's because they couldn't make a "science fiction" Batmobile because it's not real. Well, a car defeating a helicopter isn't real, at all!
Same with Joker. They thought he wasn't real enough and I have said he most certainly is. I mean the basic form of crazy criminal behavior.
Someone needs to make a real Batman movie! Iron Man is much like Batman and the character in the movie is a genius inventor, and so is Batman and he has advanced science fiction devices, just like Iron Man, and those movies were quite a big hit.
How was Joker not a manic? He fit the very meaning of the word!
And I listed a number of different ways that he acted like a clown.
And I don't see how behaving rationally means he's acting out of character either. Joker among other things is still a very intelligent character; he doesn't just always go off and spontaneously do shit without planning anything. TDK Joker was even partially based off the original Joker of the first couple issues
Mania is literally a mental health diagnosis and so look it up.
You just butchered the English language.
shareBatman *was* in it.
But, he didn't know he was Batman...yet.
;-)
To be honest, I find the Joker to be far, far, far, far, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAAAAAARRRRR MORE INTERESTING than Batman.