I haven't made it through the whole second season yet, but I can't stand this character. Constantly wanting all the accolades without putting in any of the work and always insulting people and their intelligence. He is just as bad as any of the bullies with his verbal harassment.
shareBecomes the very thing he says he hates too.
shareActually there are more people in the world like him - who criticise others but do the same thing themselves.
So annoying but actually a very realistic character.
Being realistic doesn't mean it makes for good TV, agreed?
shareDepends, he was kinda of funny but still an annoying kid - so if he stays in as an extra then no issue just so long as he doesn't become one of the main people in the story.
Miguel and Eli had arcs in the story and Demetri pretty much stayed the same throughout, with a few quips here and there.
He is one of the most hated characters on the show for good reason. He's basically an asshole who constantly belittles and insults people & then turns around and wonders why no one likes him. He verbally bullies people himself but just happens to be physically pathetic & plays the victim when he inevitably pisses people off with his constant narcissism & rudeness.
He has no redemptive arc & only lazily seeks to learn Karate for selfish reasons & barely wants to put in the effort. Yet somehow the writers felt the need to reward his terrible behavior & utter lack of self awareness by having him get the better of Hawk during the school fight after one practice session, learning how to block a punch, which just made no sense whatsoever.
Demetri had hours of training at Miyagi do but just lacked confidence. Also it's possible Hawk was overconfident.
shareThat's how I interpreted it. Demetri was getting his ass handed to him but managed to block Hawk, then kick him into a trophy case. Hawk was taken by surprise and underestimated his opponent.
shareIt was the most unrealistic thing in the show, Hawk is an advanced student. The close second behind Miguel who had been training much longer & harder than Dimitri who literally didn't do sh*t besides block a punch in one practice session after doing nothing but complaining & half assing up to that point. Despite it making no sense realistically, it just feels wrong narratively as, Demitri didn't deserve that victory as he has never had to aknowlege is own faults & be knocked down a peg the way Hawk has repeatedly to the point now that the writers have just turned Hawk into an inapplicable punching bag who seems to have anti-plot armor as oppose to Dimitri's plot armor that has repeatedly protected him .
shareDemetri was taunting Hawk over the PA system in the episode before.
Therefore the writers had already shown us he was ultra confident in his ability to kick Hawk's ass. I guess his running away from him in the school as fast as he could was just, er, tactics... 🤔
No. That just sounds like Demitri being his natural asshole self, & the writers pulling rushed, unrealistic abilities for certain characters out of their asses, as if learning how to fight is like magic.
Hawk is a misguided try hard, but Demitri is a natural born asshole who never has to answer for his faults while Hawk gets repeatedly knocked down a peg, almost to the point where the writers were trying to turn him into a joke during season 2.
1. Demetri is not an asshole, he's just insecure. He's the classic high school geek. But he's not a jerk, he only lashes out at people that wrong him first.
2. Notice that all of the Cobra Kai's lost in the battle royale of the final episode:
Miguel got beat by Robby
Tory got beat by Sam
Little nerdy white kid got beat by little nerdy Chinese kid
Overweight white guy got beat by overweight black guy.
They need to keep the theme going...therefore Demetri beats Hawk. It's to prove a point.
1. You're delusional. He constantly belittles and condescends to people with his passive aggressiveness & at times out right insults them. He also has a constant misguided, narcissistic sense of entitlement. There are many more examples but off the top of my head he attempts to join Cobra Kai, not to improve himself but because he thinks it will make him cool. He immediately talks down to the Johnny in front of an entire class and basically says he can't tell him what to do because his parents are paying him and quits in a huff when he gets put in his place. Then decides to just falsely claim Cobra Kai status to be cool by association.
Dimitri going out of his way to publicly humiliating Hawk at the party was far more malicious than Hawk impulsively pouring a drink on his head after finally getting annoyed by his passive aggressive, insensitive comments. After joining Miyagi Do with his same bad attitude he unprovoked, belittles and insults the intelligence of another student when assigned to complete a task together. We could go on forever as he that's pretty much his entire character. He has no redeeming qualities.
2. Not sure how other Miyagi Do students winning should matter anyway because everyone else were similarly skilled match ups, while Demitri should be nowhere near Hawk's level and also Miguel didn't lose. It was made quite clear that he had Robby beaten but rather than finish him off made the conscious decision to "show mercy", let's Robby go and verbally states he's disengaging the fight. The fight was over but Robby refused to accept this and decides to cheap shot Miguel when his guard was clearly down, kicking him over the railing. It makes about as much sense than saying Hawk won the fight against him during the Season 1 tournament.
What do you mean? Hawk physically attacked him at the shopping mall. Who knows how far he would have taken his assault on Demetri if Sam and Robby hadn't been around to help him. Demetri has every reason to show up Hawk..it's the only way he can strike back at him.
Miguel lost. Pure and simple. He showed Mercy based upon the teachings of the new Cobra Kai way and paid the price. That's why the students all left Johnny at the end of season 2 and blamed Johnny for Miguel's injury. All the Cobra Kai's lost, despite their more intensive training. Unrealistic? Perhaps. But it's part of the narrative of the story.
Hawk is a flawed character as the narrative continuously reminds the audience & unlike Demitri with his convenient plot armor, Hawk is repeatedly punished for his flaws. That being said Hawk didn't just outright attack Demitri. He repeatedly asked him to take down the negative review as he expressed that Cobra Kai was extremely important to him & he was taking it very personally with Demitri staunchly disregarding him. Hawk ultimately resorted to intimidation & gave him an ultimatum. But of course before anything can come of that Demitri's plot armor kicked in. Demitri didn't need to "strike back" at Hawk. He could have just walked away and accepted that they're friendship was probably over. He instead needlessly further stoked animosity between them with his malicious, cowardly decision to humiliate him in front of everyone. It's bullying. Demirti is a bully himself who also happens to be a pussy who can't back it up physically.
You're entitled to think what you want but you're so blatantly wrong about Miguel "losing" that it's really not even worth arguing. I'm afraid only in your mind does a person being attacked with his guard down after he had released his pinned opponent & had verbally called off the fight constitute "losing a fight".
So you think that because Demetri wrote a negative review of Cobra Kai Karate, Hawk has the right to beat him up and even more cowardly, bring 4 guys to help him do it?
I've repeatedly said Hawk is a flawed character and repeatedly pays for it. Demetri on the other hand gets to remain the piece of shit he always was, never learning anything & gets a magic power up to top it off. As I said, Hawk's goal was to get him to agree to remove the negative review, not beat him up. That was a last resort. Considering that Hawk wouldn't have been the slightest bit concerned about being able to easily destroy Demetri himself at this point, it's a reasonable conclusion that he he brought his fellow Cobra Kai to show Demetri that Cobra Kai as a whole was serious & to further convince Demetri to cooperate rather than continuing to blow off his request.
shareNo, it’s clear Hawks intention is to beat up Dimitri. He brings 4 guys with him so Demetrius couldn’t run away. Notice that 2 other boys come up to Demetri from behind in the comic book store.
Hawk is on a different level. Demetri is a know it all. Hawk is a bully and a thief and a cheater. Consumed by his own hatred. And in the world of Karate Kid, this always leads to bad things, just like Kreese getting humiliated way back in KK2.
If beating up the Demetri was the goal, he would have just done it without repeatedly urging him to remove the anti Cobra Kai review. He was trying to pressure him to agree. Physical recourse was the last result.
Hawk starts off as a meek & friendly kid. In his newfound confidence Hawk has become a hotheaded, brash & misguided in how he is constantly trying to reject the "weak" person that he used to be. Demetri on other hand was always a passive aggressive bully with his constant belittling and condescending to people when he isn't outright insulting them. He never seeks to change or improve himself & still gets rewarded with a magic power up.
Read between the lines. Hawk knows Demetri is stubborn and isn't going to take down any review. He's using this as an excuse to demonstrate his new found machismo and lash out at Demetri. Demetri reminds him of what he used to be and he's come to resent it. That's why there's a flashback of hawk at the start of "all in".
Demetri has no magic power up. He's kind of the Zeppo of Miyagi Do. He has no confidence and no girlfriend and Sam and Robby kind of treat him this way. He gets one break throughout the season, his victory against Hawk. It's part of the fictional universe of Karate Kid, where someone with less training can win if they train the right way. If Demetri has plot armor..Daniel Larusso had plate mail 3 inches thick. But that's the world we accept. It serves to tell the broader story.
Yes partof their growing apart Hawk's Demetri constantly reminding him of how he used to be. Often passive aggressively so. Demetri gets numerous breaks. For all Hakw's increasing aggressiveness towards him for repeatedly refusing
his request or out right
publicly bullyinghim at the party , Demetri never actually suffers physical repercussions from Hawk. His plot armor kicks in & hevsone lhow a avoids his well earned ass beating .
Again, Hawk is a good guy who becomes increasingly flawed & gets knocked down for it constantly. Demetri is an insufferable asshole & a verbal bully from the start & never seeks to change or improve himself in this regard but the plot rewards him anyway.
Numerous Breaks? what break does Demetri get other than beating Hawk in the last episode? Demetri does get kicked and knocked down by Hawked. He doesn't have plot armor. I think you are misunderstanding what "plot armor" is.
shareHawk takes a thorough beating multiple times with the blood & bruises to show for it. Demetri being knocked down once(unhurt) & quickly bailed out by Sam & Robby who "just happened" to be there(plot armor) is not the same thing. I think you're confused about constitutes plot armor.
shareThe bottom line is, Hawk has no authority to tell Demetri to take down his review. Hawk is the bully here. Demetri is clearly hurt that his friend has basically abandoned him, we see that in the restaurant scene in the first episode of season two.
Yeah, he is mouthy but he sees Hawk as his brother, his best friend for many years and was lashing out because he was hurt.
And him kicking Hawk isnt any more far fetched than an entire class of kids earning black belts in only a few months when it takes about five years in real life.
I never said that Hawke had a right to insist that Demetri take down the anti Co ra Kai review. I just explained things from Hawk's perspective. Demetri didn't just get a kick in. He somehow KOs him with that one kick. Hawk never actually lands one shot .
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I guess his running away from him in the school as fast as he could was just, er, tactics... 🤔share
Yeah not a fan
shareDemetri is one of those dorks who thinks that people who are capable of any level of athleticism are inferior to him because he's good at video games and reads books about dwarfs, swords, and magic. If he ever makes it to the real world he'll find himself sadly disadvantaged, but will continue to deride those who stopped reading comic books when they were thirteen.
shareHe's not an a-hole, to be that, you'd have to WANT to hurt others and them to feel bad.
All HE wants is to be left alone, so he can wallow in the misery of his self-created depression.
However, I really like that character, because a) he is so much like myself, always nitpicking and criticizing - brilliant! b) the actor has some kind of weird, likable charisma, so no matter what he says or how he says it, it's always going to be fun for me c) he's actually making a point most of the time, that at least someone in the audience is wanting to make. He is basically defensive, because he feels weak and vulnerable, and you can't really blame him for that.
Even when he's annoying, he's great to watch, I would literally pay to have more scenes of him in them, doing his 'whiny, annoying' thing. More Demetri, please!
But he does want others to feel bad as he puts them down and constantly insults them. Just because someone is weak and vulnerable doesn't give them the right to treat others poorly.
I do think he was majorly toned down after season 2 because his character wasn't well received or likeable. I have nothing against the actor, he is doing a fine job with the material given.