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ATF, FBI murdering scum.

posted a year ago by Poopsey1 (904)
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You do not just turn up on mass, armed to the teeth to someone's home and expect a peaceful outcome. If the police wanted to arrest Koresh, why not apprehend him at one of the many gun shows he attended? Controling the press, calling the Davidians the bad guys, making out the FBI and the ATF to be the saviours... Shining lights in the compound 24/7, bombarding the compound with sounds of rabbits being slaughtered, whilst knowing there are children in the building, speeding around the compound with tanks, mooning the people in the compound whilst simultaneously telling them to send their children outside...

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

Play stupid games...

[–] Poopsey1 (904) a year ago

meaning?

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

Google the expression.

[–] Poopsey1 (904) a year ago

I know what the expression means dimwit, what I'm asking is why you are using it here, in what way were the Davidians playing stupid games, and who were they terrorizing. Sure there were allegations of child, but that does not give the pigs to go to people's homes guns blazing.

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

you're a gun nut and you excuse pedophilia. you're a waste of time

[–] Poopsey1 (904) a year ago

where did I say that???

[–] [deleted] a year ago

Yeah, the ATF and FBI played stupid games but they're more powerful than ever.

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

https://twitter.com/move2strike/status/1638054201086361601

[–] [deleted] a year ago

The first time? LOL! Historically incorrect. Glaringly historically incorrect.

And this idea that if you hold the lives of people who happen to be white as valuable makes you a racist is also incorrect.

Your attempt to paint people as racists because they don't think other people should be murdered is, frankly, disgusting.

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

So BLM?

[–] [deleted] a year ago

What about BLM?

[–] Poopsey1 (904) a year ago

why are you typing the idiot"lol", try typing what you mean to say in English.

[–] WandererFromYs (1750) a year ago

They are both important important cases to right wingers because they are second amendment cases, and they also highlight the second amendment is needed. Both cases involved the same 2 units of government, the ATF, and the FBI HRT. So you can see their behavior was a pattern.

I could point out there were black people at Waco, but honestly if you have to race swap the victims to understand it, then you are probably just a racist.

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

The point is simple: right wingers don't give a fuck when black people get murdered by police forces. They didn't care about the second amendment this time: https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

[–] WandererFromYs (1750) a year ago

Right Wingers do care about actual injustices. They just don’t buy into to racial narrative, regardless of the facts that the left pushes.

[–] TheArgentinian (6522) a year ago

Yeah, riiiiight...

[–] RoboReCop (2806) a year ago

As a nonbiased observer, I believe you are correct to a degree.

[–] Gd5150 (11141) a year ago

The Clinton administration was the beginning of the end of FBI being a legitimate law enforcement organization.

FBI file gate.
TWA 800 coverup.
1st World Trade Center bombing cover up.

[–] JoeBlow88 (552) a year ago

I heard that the first two people killed in Waco were ex-Clinton body guards...

[–] AhmadSumadi (53) a year ago

That whole “I heard…” is the worst thing to do in things like this lol.

[–] JoeBlow88 (552) a year ago

I heard it on the internet. Here is the link. https://altcensored.com/watch?v=20ndxjKQRtI

[–] bond998 (1206) a year ago

Why are Clinton ex-body guards be a waco.

[–] AhmadSumadi (53) a year ago

A heap of sloppy police work but the fanatics weren’t coming out alive. I’ll never understand how people see men like David Koresh and decide to follow them.

[–] WrepDrep (329) a year ago

Yeah the Davidians weren't bad guys.
David Koresh just loved to be treated as God, and having followers who would offer their wives and underaged daughters to him.

The followers were just cucks.

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20588) a year ago

When did “cuck” become such a big buzz word used on the internet?

[–] WrepDrep (329) a year ago

When the Internet people discovered porn.

[–] JoeBlow88 (552) a year ago

Based on that description. David is different than an elected official

[–] Theman (1072) a year ago

But Bill Clinton is connected to Epstein.

[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10692) a year ago

They wanted to destroy the cult, not just arrest Koresh.

[–] ShogunofYonkers (72570) a year ago

I’ve watched a few docs about the inept Federal operations at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Seems the takeaway is you don’t corner a heavily armed suspect with an anti-establishment ideology on his own property. That’s just courting disaster. The authorities knew that these guys had automatic weapons and a very secluded mindset.

You surround the guy at a Walmart or Costco parking lot while he’s twenty miles from his weapons and pushing a shopping cart to his truck.

I’m not defending Koresh or Weaver, they were likely up to some hinky stuff that needed to be investigated but The Feds got a black eye on both occasions. Hopefully they learned not to go charging onto a man’s property with heavy duty arms. How else would a religious doomsday cultist or a hardcore survivalist U.S Army Special Forces vet respond to sniper teams, APCs and choppers buzzing the family compound?

Tackle these kinds of guys when they’re filling their truck tank at the Kwiki-Mart. Break his arm and knee if you need to. You’ll save lives.

[–] WandererFromYs (1750) a year ago

The situations were a little different. Randy Weaver didn’t trust the government, and the fact that they set him, and threatened him with jail if he refused to be a snitch them only played in to his beliefs, and caused him to withdraw on to his property. Then they trespassed on his property, and killed his son and wife without ever identifying themselves.

The problem with Waco is that there were no charges against Koresh. They needed to raid the compound to be able to charge him with anything. So In order for them to arrest Koresh outside the compound, they would have to come up with some bogus reason to detain him. But considering what actually happened, they probably should’ve done that anyway. At least long enough to execute a raid.

[–] ShogunofYonkers (72570) a year ago

Fair take, they were both very sticky situations.

[–] Truthtalker (1876) a year ago

libertarian nut.job

[–] raymondoz2007 (2069) a year ago

didn't the fbi shoot a baby in the mothers arms?

[–] WandererFromYs (1750) a year ago

No, they shot the mother while she was unarmed and holding a baby. Then they taunted the dead woman, but they claimed they didn’t know she was dead.

Then sniper claimed he could shoot a dime from 400 yards away, but we are expected to believe they didn’t know they killed her.