Star Wars awakens looked like it remade the very first one.
Star Trek mixed and redid KAHN...
Now, Matrix remixing the other movies - wasting time with the same scenes...
(based on latest trailer)
why?
anyone know?
have we stopped supporting "unsafe" creativity, and only pay for these safe remakes?
Hollywood has turned from quality into quantity.
sharetrue.
with streamers on every street corner, and more in the shadows, it has become a game of fill the air time, instead of make something interesting. hook them with a series that goes nowhere ever, or movies with never ending sequels.... standout single IPs are done for. with rare exceptions, of course.
This is a remake?! Really, now? How was the movie?
"Star Wars awakens looked like it remade the very first one."
Sounds like you didn't see it. There's surface level stuff, but the movie isn't a ripoff because there's a big planet-killing weapon and a bad guy in a mask. Ren is nothing like Vader. Luke never fights Vader in the original and not only does Rey fight Ren, Finn does too. Finn is a defector and Force sensitive. There's NEVER a secondary Force sensitive character. Rey and Ren had a rivalry/jealousy over Solo. Ren hated his father and Rey admired him; and there was heat between them because of it. That doesn't exist at all in ANH. Neither does the other half of the fractured family - Han and Leia not speaking and neither talking to Luke.
have you seen the first 3 matrix movies....
did you watch these new trailers?
Sounds like I didn't see it? How could I make the comparison if I had not seen it?
I need to stop talking on forums with people that simply want to peck fights.
Again, have you SEEN the original Star Wars movie, and did you watch Force Awakens? Was it in English or your native language to understand it?
I did see it, I went day one, and watch a weak REMAKE of the original, and wondered "WTF? Why did they make this?" I'm not the only one thinking that if you have ever been on this thing called the internet ever.
While Force Awakens is the only sequel SW film that I like (a flawed 6/10 SW movie that I liked because the Star Wars'y feel was well actualized), I agree that it is a lame rip from A New Hope. Someone's errant droid has crucial information about a star killing space orb. The similarities are numerous and to not acknowledge them is willful ignorance. The story foundations are nearly exact.
I'll watch M4 for free months after its release if it gets good word of mouth in here from the right people. I can easily see myself not watching it at all. I didn't like M3. Maybe he/she will rip off Ghost in the Shell 2 or Underground Complex for his/her success this time. There isn't a sequel to The Invisibles so that well is dry.
see? It's not just me. not sure why they thought doing same movie, just new, would have the same magic as the original. we were all just so happy to get a new big budget star wars in theater again, we flooded theaters making them think we thought it was good.
oh well. maybe the newest generation can redo SW again and have it staring Doge, and Manga Japanese school girls battling a potato and generate new interest.
Well, for all of my complaints, I enjoyed it. I guess they were not wrong about using the same formula.
I so hate that stupid space map. Everything in the universe is moving. Also, the path in between two points in the vacuum of space is a straight line. Also, a fucking "map" assumes a starting point so can't anyone simply look at the end of the path and see the location? Maybe one little footnote about a nearby hazard. No map needed.
yep we are allowed to enjoy what we enjoy! :) I enjoyed watching it once, but disappointed with how it went, so no interest in watching again. that's just me. and allowed. :)
shareYou didn't address a single point I made. Because you can't. You cannot debate my point about the differences, so you attack me. That's called an ad hominem attack.
shareHave you not read any threads in TFA forum?
Our hero is a dusty, low caste worker on a desert planet who has a mysterious father who turns out to be a huge bad guy. A droid owned by this desert rat has crucial information for the rebellion in it. The bad guys come calling but the droid escapes into the desert. Our desert rat ends up in the ranks of the rebellion and we see manifestations of the Force in them. A planet sized and shaped weapon is used to destroy the seat of power of the Republic. Our heroes infiltrate and destroy the base (iirc they even have to disable a force field)
Are there differences? Yes, of course. It isn't the exact same movie. But Jesus, look at the very basics. New skin and some changes but fundamentally the same. I enjoy TFA because it feels more like the original trilogy. I got a Star-Wars'y feeling from it like I did not get from the blighted prequels. However, I do recognize that it is essentially a rip off and also kinda sucks.
I repeat:
"There's surface level stuff, but the movie isn't a ripoff because there's a big planet-killing weapon and a bad guy in a mask. Ren is nothing like Vader. Luke never fights Vader in the original and not only does Rey fight Ren, Finn does too. Finn is a defector and Force sensitive. There's NEVER a secondary Force sensitive character. Rey and Ren had a rivalry/jealousy over Solo. Ren hated his father and Rey admired him; and there was heat between them because of it. That doesn't exist at all in ANH. Neither does the other half of the fractured family - Han and Leia not speaking and neither talking to Luke."
Oh, and Rey's father was a non-Force sensitive clone of Palpatine. Her grandfather is the bad guy and that has nothing to do with TFA.
I repeat:
"Our hero is a dusty, low caste worker on a desert planet who has a mysterious father who turns out to be a huge bad guy. A droid owned by this desert rat has crucial information for the rebellion in it. The bad guys come calling but the droid escapes into the desert. Our desert rat ends up in the ranks of the rebellion and we see manifestations of the Force in them. A planet sized and shaped weapon is used to destroy the seat of power of the Republic. Our heroes infiltrate and destroy the base (iirc they even have to disable a force field)"
Lets keep pasting the same arguments over and over.
yeah, it totally like like a reimaging of the original to me
shareI addressed that in my post. Literally the first thing I said. Your argument is "Similarities = ripoff." It's a weak and lazy argument. It's surface level stuff. I'm talking about the characters relationship and back stories and your argument is Rey lives in a desert! Ripoff! You cannot possibly buy into that. There's no substance to that.
Star Wars IS lightsabers, evil tyrants, family connections, underdogs, and big weapons. Read a book or comic. Play a video game. This stuff is all over the franchise. Is every X-Men movie a ripoff of the first because there are mutants, Magneto as the villain, and racism themes?
You fogot to mention Terminator 2 is a re-doing Terminator 1.
sharedid it recreate several iconic scenes from the first movie? I missed seeing those.
was Sarah without a baby and got impregnated by a human from the future to give birth to the leader of the resistance?
I guess I missed to recreating parts, other than character were from the firs movie which happens in sequels
Nope. It definitely continued the story. It is like you are saying that every war movie is a remake because foreigners come to a country to shoot guns.
shareI'm surprised the other two people are disagreeing with you.
I thought the people on this board would be well aware of how T2 is effectively a big budget popcorn-movie redux of T1 lol. Another reason why T2 hasn't aged as well as T1.
I'm surprised at your surprise. Does that surprise you?
shareI don't blame them, it's incredible hard to notice, I never notice it before my house has internet in 2001, and I read it online someone said T2 is a remake of T1, my though is "What are you talking? Are you nuts?"
Many years later I binge watching T1 and T2, I'm shocked at how similar they are, it's a beat by beat remake.
Truth be told, I was in the same shoes. Back when I was in college, a friend basically said he preferred T1 to T2 for a few reasons, and one of those was the whole faux remake-sequel thing. And I'm like, wtf. T2 is much better scifi. Faster forward a few years, and I'm rewatching the films and I'm like oh my god. It really is a rehashed T1 with a far greater budget. It's honestly kinda similar to what The Force Awakens did as you pointed out (although Force Awakens is a bit more distinct from A New Hope imo).
Now, I'm just like, T1 is a far tighter film: more consistent in tone, and more coherent in its narrative constructive.
But I genuinely presumed this was widely understood at this point. I could have sworn that was the general understanding on the Terminator boards here, but maybe I'm misremembering.
I spend years contemplate Terminator 2 and The Force Awakens.
I never notice T2 is a remake of T1, but I watched TFA on opening day, that means I don't know anything: no reviews, no spoiler. Yet... when I watch TFA, my mind keep thinking only one thing: "WTF? This is a remake of A New Hope! I want my money back! Jar Jar Abrams is a hack!"
T2 and TFA are interesting to compare:
1. Both are remake.
2. One is incredible hard to notice, even someone pointed out for me.
3. One is incredible easy to notice, I'm not a fan to Star Wars, but even me can catch that on opening day by myself!
4. One is trash, one is masterpiece.
Just a reminder that there's no hard and fast rules.
And actually, that was my original disagreement with this thread, but I opted not to post a comment.
Yes, we all hate rehashes, and we all hate uncreative cash-ins. But despite my preferring T1, you're right, T2 is a fucking fantastic film still.
The fact that matrix resurrections is retooling and playing with the old trilogy doesn't tell us if it's going to be good or bad. Some really creative works have come from retooling an existing classic (the book, Ender's Shadow, comes to mind).
Because it's free marketing and people go and watch them.
shareProfit. Rehash for more profit.
Moviegoers reinforce it by paying money for the rehash.
Original is too risky since there's no history of a profit.
Exactly what I was thinking while watching this soft "reboot". Literally done the same way as The Force Awakens. Except using scenes from original movie to muster sympathy "points".
shareI mean, if it is well written, makes sense tying those old scenes in, it could be good. but if it does all that, then jumps some shark, it would be stupid. based on cloud atlas and jupiter ascending, I have low expectations. I mean cloud was well made and all, but overall story was weakly threaded together.
shareSimple. Established intellectual property is by far the single largest contributor to box office success. It used to be having an A-list actor, but no longer.
People say they want original content, but their wallets have been saying otherwise for the past couple of decades.
Throw in emerging movie markets in places like China, that are surpassing American audiences, and inexorably, you end up where we are.