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We need another gun grab. With Trump back in the white House we can have that red-flag law without due process that he thought was a great idea.
Yeah, we need Trump back in the White House like we need another hole in our heads.
it wasnt a gun grab and a bump stock is not a gun.
shareTrump says it was a gun grab. How was the bump stock ban accomplished if it was not a gun grab?
sharea bump stock is not a gun and its not a gun grab.
shareTrump, the ATF and the CFR says they are. Calling Trump a liar?
sharea bump stock is just a bump stock, it cant fire a bullet.
shareSo Trump lied when he called bump stocks machine guns?
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shareSo Trump banned bump stocks by having them classified as machine guns. But you claim bump stocks are not guns? What do you know that Trump does not?
sharecongress did that, not Trump. they are not guns.
shareNo. Congress did not pass a bill banning bump stocks.
Trump ordered the DOJ to write a regulation to classify bump stocks as machine guns.
Surely you understand that as head of the executive branch of the government, the president has the power to do this. Read article 2 section three of the Constitution.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf
The Department of Justice is
amending the regulations of the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bump-
stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
devices with certain similar
characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’ as
defined by the National Firearms Act of
1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968
I've only been posting this link for years on this forum in an effort to get you to understand how Trump accomplished his gun grab.
This kind of thing does not happen without the approval of the president. Bush did the same thing with spring loaded bump stocks in 2006, so it is not unique. share
its not a gun grab, since a bump stock is not a gun.
shareWhat part of "bump stocks are machineguns" do you not understand?
Your "I don't know how to read" shtick is growing old.
a bump stock is an accessory just like a scope.
shareTrump, the ATF and the CFR say you are wrong. What part of "a bump stock is a machine gun" do you not understand?
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf
The Department of Justice isshare
amending the regulations of the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bump-
stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
devices with certain similar
characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’ as
defined by the National Firearms Act of
1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968
You are misinterpreting.
Based on your PDF, the bump stocks and slide-fire devices are accessories; however, when they are assembled, they are considered a “machine gun”.
But back in 2010, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that bump stocks were merely accessories, or firearms parts – and therefore not regulated as a firearm.
A plain reading of the statutory language, paired with close consideration of the mechanics of a semi-automatic firearm, reveals that a bump stock is excluded from the technical definition of 'machinegun' set forth in the Gun Control Act and National Firearms Act.
"The court found that the definition of a machinegun — which is set out in two different federal statutes — "does not apply to bump stocks."
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I do not see those paragraphs in my link. What pages did you get those from?
While the Obama administration did, back in 2010, determine that bump stocks were merely accessories and not machine guns, Trump changed that in 2018.
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The first one is based on KCCI from Mar 29, 2019 2:15 PM CDT
The second one is based on KWTX from Jan. 6, 2023 at 6:17 PM EST
The third one is based on NPR from January 7, 2023 11:01 AM ET
Those are no substitute for the actual Code of Federal Regulations published by the federal government.
Not only are the links you posted obsolete for years, they are worthless other than for historical purposes and for how the Obama administration was less anti-gun than the Trump administration.
The PDF I linked to says that bump stocks, all by themselves, are machine guns. It does not say the stock has to be attached to the rifle to be considered a machine gun.
Owners would have not been required to surrender or destroy their bump stocks if one of the options was to simply removed it from the rifle.
Because you were misinterpreting.
It is an accessory.
obsolete for years
Two of them are from 2023
KWTX from Jan. 6, 2023 at 6:17 PM EST
NPR from January 7, 2023 11:01 AM ET
https://www.kcci.com/article/a-federal-bump-stock-ban-starts-tuesday-heres-what-that-means/26929089#:~:text=by%20the%20shooter.%22-,But%20back%20in%202010%2C%20the%20federal%20Bureau%20of%20Alcohol%2C%20Tobacco,not%20regulated%20as%20a%20firearm.
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147698112/bump-stocks-ban-struck-down-court#:~:text=The%20court%20found%20that%20the,federal%20circuit%20court%20in%20Washington.
https://www.kwtx.com/2023/01/06/us-appeals-court-blocks-ban-rapid-fire-bump-stocks/?outputType=apps#:~:text=%E2%80%9CA%20plain%20reading%20of%20the,Elrod%20wrote%20in%20the%20lead
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The kcci article is from 2019, the year the ban went into effect. It clearly states that bump stocks were considered accessories back in 2010, but in 2019 they are machine guns.
But back in 2010, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that bump stocks were mere accessories, or firearms parts -- and therefore not regulated as a firearm.
At his direction, the Justice Department in March 2018 proposed a rule clarifying that bump stocks were not merely parts but instead were "machine guns" -- what the federal government calls fully automatic weapons -- as defined by existing law.
This news article does not supercede the CFR. share
The NPR article simply reports that a court disagrees with the Trump administration's defining a bump stock as a machine gun. It actually reveals how stupid it was of the Trump administration to say that a bump stock is a machine gun when the trigger is still pulled for each round fired.
Again, the court ruling has yet to supercede Trump's action nor does it say that the CFR says a bump stock has to be attached to the rifle to be a machine gun.
The kwtx article essentially repeats what the NPR article said.
shareThe articles demonstrate that it is an accessory and they were never anything but accessories until it is assembled.
You misinterpreted the pdf.
Those articles are just the opinions of people, not the actual regulation.
Where the CFR says "bump stocks are machine guns", what part of that do you not understand? How difficult is it for you to interpret?
No, YOU are persisting with your misinterpreted opinion.
It is an accessory until it is assembled, you imbecile.
How difficult is it for you to stop lying and denying?!
But the CFR says it is a machine gun, not a mere accessory. It is right there in black and white. Surely you understand that regulations have the force of law?
If you can't tell me what part of the sentence "bump stocks are machine guns" that you do not understand, then perhaps you can explain what the sentence actually means?
Do you think machine guns are not firearms? You think machine guns are gun accessories?
Personal insults do not make your argument stronger, just weaker.
But nothing....You are demonstrating your stupidity and embarrassing yourself...again. There is no argument because you clearly refuse to admit and accept the fucking facts.
It is no wonder that sometimes, these other posters do not bother providing proof or evidence, because people like you will always refuse them and continue to deny them.
They humor themselves with your idiocy.
Your evasion is strange. Why do you refuse to explain what the phrase "bump stocks are machine guns" means to you?
Are you so scared of offering an opinion?
bump stocks and slide-fire devices are accessories; however, when they are assembled, they are considered a “machine gun”....
shareDo you know what the “stock” of a gun is?
shareYes I do. I also know that the feds can define a firearm any way they want to.
Yes, it is stupid. But the Trump administration defined bump stocks as machine guns just like Bush did in 2006 and Biden did for forced reset triggers in 2022.
The CFR says "bump stocks are machine guns". What part of this phrase do you not understand?
There's a lot that comes out of the government that's badly worded, or hadn't you noticed? You just look foolish pouncing on this as if you've discovered a continent and continuing to repeat it as if it proves something.
shareActually I been pounding on this as a way to discredit Trump since 2018 as it proves Trump is an anti-gun zealot just like other gun grabbers.
What part of the phrase "bump stocks are machine guns" do you not understand?
No one else here will man up and explain what it means to them, perhaps you can be the first? What is it that makes trump supports so afraid of the law and reading it?
a bump stock is not a machine gun
shareBump stocks are not guns.
shareTrump, the ATF and the CFR says they are. Calling trump a liar?
shareNo, but bump stocks are not guns.
shareTrump says bump stocks are guns.
How is it you are so ignorant of the law? What part of the CFR that says "bump stocks are machine guns" do you not understand?
I think you are calling Trump a liar.
Its a made up law. Everyone knows that a bump stock is not a gun.
shareAll laws are made up. I suspect everyone else knows this, why don't you?
Bump stocks are not the only thing federal law says are guns that do not fire a projectile.
Silencers
Silencer parts
Auto sears
Forced reset triggers
The above things are legally firearms in the USA.
Why are you calling Trump a liar?
Those are accessories to a gun. If a bump stock can fire a projectile then it would be a gun but its not.
shareSo you are the one who defines what a gun is and not the government? Who died and made you supreme leader? Does the law mean nothing to you?
shareYour statement is the sarcastic proposition for a leftist-fascist-socialist-dictatorship.
Have you tried reading the constitution?!...We the people.
The first three words in the Constitution are the most powerful: We the People. They declare that the Constitution derives its power not from a king or a Congress, but from the people themselves.
This concept of popular sovereignty-power to the people-is the foundation upon which the entire Constitution depends.
Does the law mean nothing to you?
Try asking that question to the career criminals.
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Get off your high horse. What does that have to do with the fact that it is the government that defines what a gun is?
Do you really believe that Bubbathegut has the authority to define what a gun is, in the USA?
You completely and totally missed my point.
Go back and read it again slowly, meditate on it, than think about it some more and you will have your answers.
The Gov can do whatever they want. Remember when there was a law saying blacks could be slaves? What about the law stating that women and blacks couldn't vote? Do those laws mean nothing to you?
A bump stock is not a gun.
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shareHoney trump doesn’t want to save Americans and never did. He was always in it to make money for his scummy family and to pay back his Russian money lenders.
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shareMust be why he was the first president in a century to lose money. Over a billion in wealth. Oh and since it sounds like you’ve been stranded on a desert island for the last 4 years, there was Zero evidence of Russia collusion as confirmed by the Mueller report. Any questions?
shareYou’re unfamiliar with the Russian money ties that jr admitted to in a live interview? Didn’t say he should lose money but that’s a real problem. Also the post office in dc turned into a hotel that he legally shouldn’t have owned while president.
shareBring back Trump.
sharePfft save America...sure he wants to save America, he's a great inspirational leader aint he? incited a riot at the capitol and got people killed and injured by all the nut jobs who worship him like a god.
Not a fan of Biden either but the world doesn't need the egotiscal orange man back in charge poisoning more minds to become crazy followers that would kill for him. Lets get a president in the white house that doesn't incite riots and get people killed shall we?
Why are people still shilling for this guy? He didnt do anything worthwhile. Forget him and move on. He was a piece of 💩 since the 90s. How do people not see This?
shareGet over it. Fat Donnie is gone and he won't be back.
shareLiar, cheat and crook.
shareNot to mention fat piece of shit.
shareBring back Trump.
shareTrump will never be president again. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can move on.
shareIf the election is fair in 2024, then Trump will be President.
shareNo he won't. Trump will not run for president again because he doesn't want to face another spectacular loss. Quit being gullible and stop listening to Trump's nonsense.
shareHe will only lose if the deep state wants him to lose. They might "rig" the system in his favor this time since Joe is a total failure.
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