Whenever there's a movie with a female character, gay character, person of colour, etc, you always accuse it of being woke, SJW propaganda, pandering, politically correct, etc. Well you never explain it, so now's your chance. You always say movies like Alien are fine, but movies like The Last Jedi aren't. Well how are they different?
My explanation is who cares and people concern themselves with things that don’t matter. If people wanted to actually make a difference in the world, they wouldn’t use movie examples as a way of supporting their beliefs. Movies are for entertainment, not for politics.
share I don't have any problem with diversity nor frail chicks who kick ass nor with some Left Wing views (I agree with some of them). However, when it takes priority over all else in entertainment, it gets tiresome. Imagine if every single show featured people loving BBQ. There's nothing wrong with that. Buddy cop show on and they stop at a BBQ place and talk. Sure. Then then next show you watch is some vampire show and they make sure to show the lead character chewing off a hunk of BBQ before fighting. Then the high school drama has every character with BBQ sauce all over their mouths. Etc. Tedious. Again, I have zero problem with BBQ and yet I will start yelling at the screen when Colombo says "One more thing, is that BBQ sauce on your sleeve?" after a night of BBQ infiltrated media.
I loved it when they had Cpt Kirk make out with Lt Uhura. It was a first and wonderful. Imagine if every single tv show after that for 10 years featured an interracial kiss. Nothing wrong with the thing itself; even wonderful in societal terms. you would be rolling your eyes within a week.
When your personal mission to spread some idea or message is more important than delivering a good story then you get something closer to a textbook than a novel. It used to be that Lefties made better tv/movies in general. They were unfettered by the rules. They were "Liberal" when that term wasn't a pejorative. They simply made art freely. Good stuff. Compared that to just about any Christian movie. Christian movies tend to suck because they are pushing a message and it is more important to them than any other aspect of the production. Sure, they want it to be good and they try but it is secondary to the real driving force. It shows. Modern Lefties have become like Christians in this way (and in other ways as well).
So there is a loud, small group that complain about anything. Then there's those who take the data sample and apply it to everyone that they oppose politically. Both sides do it.
Then there's those who take the data sample and apply it to everyone that they oppose politically. Both sides do it.
Couldn't had said it better. It gets REALLY annoying. I appreciate the fact that you seem moderate in what you say, it's refreshing.
Can we get all those who oppose justice, social or otherwise, to identify themselves with a show of hands? I mean, think about that!...
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shareYeah really! Who could be against it?
shareafter 2 pages of posts , all im hearing is
waaaaaah, theres a black man on my TV , its disgusting
waaaaaah, theres a gay man on my TV , its disgusting
waaaaaah, theres a woman on my TV , its disgusting
😂👍I didn’t even read most of this shit.
shareYep that about sums it up. If you're interested, there's several threads in the archive with the exact same people saying the exact same things. It's all very productive and original.
shareTim, I’m gonna have to take a pass on that, but I appreciate you letting me know. I get a kick out of asking some of these people what they really think and feel about the things they’re droning on and on about. They don’t know most of the time. They’re just repeating what they read somewhere else. This place fascinates me. Not a good sign for the future of our species, but a very interesting study on the behavior of humans.
shareProbably because there is always something to criticize or at least think about in almost every movie. Movies are symbolic field days and have subliminal effects on people.
It's not social justice warriors, or which there is no such thing, but any thinking person can notice stuff in movies that is stupid or offensive ... like your silly handle.
I don't like it when a character is shoe horned in with no purpose to the story other than being a minority. It is offensive to the viewer and to the minority actually because you make it seem like your gender, race, sexuality is the main thing that defines you. Movies that trully made me not be a racist are movies that had good characters that happen to be black. Like Lethal weapon, Predator 2, Beverly Hills cop, Blade and so on. They weren't in the movie just to be a token black guy, they had charisma. Same for female characters and so on.
shareI don't like it when a character is shoe horned in with no purpose to the story other than being a minority.
That right there is the problem, are minorities shoehorned in in real life?
You see a brown person on the screen and
you think why did he have to be brown ?
you think that role couldve been a white fella ,
you think therrs no reason for him to be brown
you think AGENDA!!! SHOEHORNE!!!
I don't like it when a character is shoe horned in with no purpose to the story other than being a minority.
literally translates to
I don't like it when a character is brown for no purpose.
So whats your plan ?
only have brown people when a curry needs cooking?
when are miniorities allowed on the screen by your twisted logic??
think about what you said there
I don't like it when a character is shoe horned in with no purpose to the story other than being a minority.
ALSO, this doesent happen. They dont throw in extra brown people to improve the colour of the stew - they give an existing role to a brown person.
They are not "shoe horned in with no purpose" - they are given one of the roles in the script.
That right there is the problem, are minorities shoehorned in in real life?
You see a brown person on the screen and you think why did he have to be brown ? [...] So whats your plan ? only have brown people when a curry needs cooking? when are miniorities allowed on the screen by your twisted logic??
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"diversity" characters that don't add any real diversity to the story: everybody behaves as a middle class American white male
So minorities armnt allowed to be middle class?
This is what i meant by only have brown people when a curry needs cooking?
Do you want the token chinese man to be an expert on Chinese medicine , and this be used in the plot , and therefore justify his ethnicness being on the screen??
I'm sure most chinese immigrants , in real life , do indeed act like a middle class American white male
This is what i meant by only have brown people when a curry needs cooking?
Do you want the token chinese man to be an expert on Chinese medicine?
I'm sure most chinese immigrants , in real life , do indeed act like a middle class American white male
It lacks real understanding of diversity
I'm not sure what you mean.
Do you mean differences in culture like "The English believe its a slur on your hosts food if you don't clear your plate, whereas the Chinese believe you are questioning their generosity if you do" ?
You obviously didn't read my post with any understanding but maybe it was my fault for not being clear enough. So just to be clear for you, the minority quotas sjw are racist too. What the fookin difference does it make where I'm from, as Tony Montana would say? What fucking difference does it mean if the character is black, gay or female if the character is trash, that is if it is poorly written and put in the story just to be a token minority character. That is what is offensive. I have no problem with characters that are minority but are actually good characters played by actors based on their charisma. No one is complaining about Eddie Murphy doing his thing or Jackie Chan because they proven themselves, things were not given. You want to explain to me what the fuck was the point of the black character in new star wars other than to look scared and have two lines in 2 hour movie? He had no screen presence and was poorly written obviously I am supposed to be impressed that he is black or something oh how progressive. Guess what the original star wars had a black character too with less screen time but more screen presence because the point wasn't that he is black and that is it, the point was he was a good character. Once again you will think I am racist maybe for thinking this way, don't you see how racist it is to think minorities need to be given things without merit as well. It is condescending and underestimating them, you want to fight for equality that is fine but you better learn how to write interesting stories that make sense first otherwise you are patronizing your audience.
shareright , so , because a role is given to a black person or a woman , they better damn well earn it and be as good as Eddie murphy otherwise ... you may as well have given it to a white man?
"I am supposed to be impressed that he is black or something"
NO!! you are supposed to not give a shit - not start asking questions about why that man is black ffs.
The Finn character in star wars was mnot put there as an extra role so they could tick a box - that role of "comic relief" was always going to be there whatever colour the person in it was.;
and, get this: this is the kicker, if it had been played by a white man you and all the other anti-SJW crybabies would be all like:
"OOH LOOKY - they gave the the white man the dumb sidekick role , its SJW MADNESS AGENDA!!! AGENDA!!!"
You make a lot of assumptions about me. Lets talk about some facts here, first one being there is a social justice agenda where minority sexual, racial or otherwise tries to be put in modern movies by the studio or creators with agenda to show how progressive they are. Now I don't have a problem with that if the character is actually good and played by a good actor. But when it is neither then it is that much obvious that character is there just to be a token character for a supposedly progressive movie. Motherfucker. Your agenda is obvious to everyone here, you think you are fighting some good fight against racism here but instead you are fighting a fight against good movie making instead.
share Now I don't have a problem with that if the character is actually good and played by a good actor.
So what i'm hearing now is: "I dont like it when there is a badly written character , or an actors acting is bad, unless he's white and then its fine"
Now if that last bit about being white isnt true, then surely your entire problem is with writing and acting regardless of color , and you arnt a racist after all?
which is it?
I am against filling quotas that sjw want in every movie because that leads to underdeveloped characters that are only there to serve a political purpose when the story being told should come first. You see how the sjw agenda works to limit and censor the movie someone is making. Also what if I am against gays but the TV show has to have one gay character there to fill the quota. That makes me enjoy the show less. But here is the best part, the gay character is either an over the top stereotype or a character who would work just the same if he was or wasn't gay. Which again makes the whole sjw input pointless because either it creates a negative stereotype character or a character again only there in name but not in action but what it really does is aggressively promote an idea to the average viewer who just wants to enjoy the show.
shareI am against filling quotas that sjw want in every movie because that leads to underdeveloped characters that are only there to serve a political purpose
Again, they dont throw in a badly written characters for the black man , they give him a well written character that was ALREADY in the script. if its badly written its badly written , its not because they had to write in EXTRA characters and were running out if ink.
what if I am against gays but the TV show has to have one gay character there to fill the quota.
You need lessons in tolerance and such - real gays are out there.
the gay character is either an over the top stereotype
granted , that can be annoying. I loved the gay bartender in "killjoys" though.
a character who would work just the same if he was or wasn't gay.
Again , we are back to your issue of "That role could have been done by a straight white male - so why didnt they?" .why should it?
Maybe you didn't know this. But when a screenplay is being written it is usually written with a character in mind. That means race too. If someone is writing a screenplay just to fill a quota, like they did with new Star Wars, they are writing it with an idea like let's make one of the main characters black so we show how progressive we are. But because that was the main reason for writing that character, you see why that character sucked. Because they didn't really know what to do with him they just knew they needed one black, one Asian, one female lead without actually thinking about the story. That is why filling quotas leads to in your face non subtle political excrement instead of a good movie with good characters. I think the same thing about any propaganda movie, socialist, racist. Nazi. Nationalist Any kind of propaganda makes for a shit movie. And we are living in another age of propaganda which limits true creative freedom.
share"they are writing it with an idea like let's make one of the main characters black"
So what did they change about Finn's character in order to adjust it for a black man , that caused it to be bad?
If Disney had said to the writer, "dont worry about the agenda, we're not doing diversity this time , but Justin Beiber really wants to play the Finn part"
How would the character have been any different?
If they got Justin Bieber the char would suddenly become 20 times more important with more screen time, cooler lines etc. Something like Han Solo. But because it's a token black guy the char is in the background.
shareFinn the stormtrooper is a integral and complex character who deserted the storm trooper ranks , went through a voyage of self discovery and learned not to a chicken , and helped infiltrate the (yet another) Death Star with his inside knowledge being a critical part of the whole mission.
He probly got way more screen time and lines than Solo
All Han solo got was comical mini Red Dwarf episode running round his ship being chased by tentacled monsters, then tagged along behind Finn in the death star
All right dude. Finn is forgettable as fuck as is the whole Disney sequel saga. Lando is a far more memorable character with less screen time so look to him as a good example of a black guy in star wars. Han Solo was the only character with any emotional weight and charisma in the Disney sequel and it is kind of embarrassing that an old Harrison Ford who clearly doesn't give a fuck is a better actor than the rest of the cast. I guess that is because he actually has screen presence aka charisma aka he was in better movies, the original trilogy.
shareLook at disney star wars
They make females powerful to make points about feminism
But then they also make finn pointless side character who learn nothing, is comedy fool, and who is a cliche black janitor guy
These people are stupid hypocrite who cannot see anything.
Exactly, sjw are racist too but too unaware of it. They want to live out their white saviour racist fantasy where they give something to minorities because poor minorities are too weak to do it for themselves. Unaware of their own racism and prejudice.
shareReally dude? That’s what you really think? I guarantee my poor minority friends are far tougher and more resilient than you’ll ever be. These poor minorities only want the same American rights that you have. As an American, you should believe in equal rights as well. That’s the belief our country was founded on. You seem to be the one living in a white fantasy.
shareI am not an American, I trust you have good intentions but maybe part of the problem is you think of them as poor minorities. I don't know, that doesn't sound right to me. How about thinking about them as your friends who have the same opportunity and fight racism where it actually exists not in art.
shareThat’s the stupidest thing I’ve read on this site, and I’ve read some pretty dumb shit on here. I don’t think I have to explain this to you, but I will if only to make you sound more ignorant than you already do. You were talking about white people wanting to help poor minorities because we think they’re weak. I don’t think of my friends as poor minorities. I was letting you know my friends are poor and they are a minority. My friends don’t have the same opportunities, that’s the fucking problem. I give 0 fucks about this bullshit Star Wars argument that’s been going on for days. I not only care deeply for my friends, I also have a huge problem with anyone in America that doesn’t have equal rights. I promise you, I’m taking it easy on you right now. If you ever try to tell me how to think of my friends or how to fight racism I will tear you a new asshole. I don’t know if you’re stupid or just bored but I am the last person you want to say this to.
I have a suggestion for you. Find something useful to do with your time and don’t talk about things you know nothing about. You need to back the fuck away slowly or this will get very ugly.
You sound like a white Karen, I bet the only minority friend you think you have is Miguel who does your garden and he only talks to you because you pay him. Minorities have the same opportunity that white people have and even more so due to affirmative action. Of course there is still racism and a lot of racism but that comes down to complex factors. I doubt you will make a difference, the only difference you are making is amusing me for 2 min here.
shareOk, you’re a poor lonely asshole that is here to get your rocks off by pissing people off. The problem is that your pathetic flaccid dick hasn’t moved in years. You live a useless existence and you choose to waste your time in the most negative way possible. You are a sad excuse for a human. Normally I would feel sorry for such a sad little man, but you are so worthless and pitiful that I’ve already forgot we had this little chat. It must really suck to hate yourself so much.
shareYes exactly right. People who try too hard to make points about race or sexism = worst hypocrites
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