In the age of "woke" media and politically correct movies/shows, how un-PC entertainment phenomenons can you name?
Here's a few examples:
Pewdiepie
Family Guy
South Park
Eminem
the films of Quentin Tarantino
Any others you can think of?
Discuss...
Love Family Guy.
shareI was just posting about Bill Maher. He calls out the “woke” movement all the time. His show was once called “Politically Incorrect”
shareTarantino un-PC???
He's not full woke, he keeps some independence, but he sits closer from the PC side of life. Feminists went after him, as they went after Joss Whedon.
I don’t understand why pc culture needs to be inserted into film at all.
Would you pay good money to see a movie in which you're insulted or ignored?
Many years ago when most action movies presented weak and helpless women, Arnold Schwarzenegger had strong and intelligent women in his movies. The results were a bigger box office with an audience of 50% female which was rare for action films at the time. He was one of the smartest men in Hollywood.
It's my impression that PC complainers don't understand that show business is a business which needs to attract an increasingly diverse audience in order to be profitable.
Yep, I guess your right. It’s all about target audience and ticket sales over artistic vision.
share"target audience and ticket sales over artistic vision."
You're mixing two different things. I was addressing your comment about PC which has to do with appealing to a larger audience.
Artistic vision is a different matter.
As you must have noticed, Hollywood is almost exclusively filming remakes & sequels. A lot of that started because of illegal downloading. People are more likely to go to the theater rather than download if a movie has plenty of SFX which means big budgets. Studios are less likely to take risks with big budgets so they release what has already proven successful like a remake or sequel of yet another superhero, sci-fi or action flick. A bigger box office is needed for profit, too.
Instead of getting originality and creativity (aka: artistic vision), we get the umpteenth reboot of Spiderman.
You'll find plenty of artistic vision on TV and streaming services since their budgets are smaller therefore they can afford to take risks.
Keep in mind, when Shirley MacLaine was asked about the movie business decades ago, she told the interviewer:
"Always remember, this industry is called show BUSINESS, not show artistry."
It's a business industry which has it's primary focus on financial success (of course), not artistic vision.
No one had an issue with Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor kicking ass back in the day. That's 'cause those films didn't make a big deal about their gender and just expected audiences to accept them as though they're men.
Nowadays however, nearly every action movie with a female in the lead role brags as though it's the first time a person with boobs has ever got to wield a sword onscreen. Even worse, they often go out of their way to make men seem evil and misogynistic. That is what we're tired of. We're tired of being talked down to as though we're children who simply can't handle when the opposite gender gets a leading role in an action movie.
Men have always played villains in movies. The only difference is that the hero is a female. The majority of movies still have male leads.
"...expected audiences to accept them as though they're men."
Huh?
You don't have to pay to see movies which you consider offensive and without artistic vision. I rarely go the theater now because the movies I do want to see aren't shown in them anymore (VOD or limited release only) and the "action" flicks are boring.
I’m with you there for sure. All the films I go to see are mostly retro showings.
My last new releases have been:
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019)
The Revenant (2015)
True Grit (2010)
I have taken my kids to many movies they wanted to see too. :)
"Men have always played villains in movies."
That's not my point. Cast whichever gender, race, sexual orientation of people as villains. I don't care. What IS annoying, is when all these big action movies starring female leads feel the need to make the villain some one-note, misogynistic asshole. It's such a cheap, pandering way to make the audience hate the antagonist.
"Huh?"
You didn't get what I say, did you? What I said was that in the old days, whenever a female lead was shown kicking ass, no one made a big deal out of it. That's 'cause the filmmakers never felt the need to address their lead's gender back then. Nowadays, they do, and it's getting really fucking old.
"... as though they're men."
Actually, I found your Freudian slip amusing.
I'm not sure what's wrong with a misogynistic villain? Villains should be misanthropes which includes misogyny. And if he's a villain, he should be an asshole since that's the whole point. One note is all you're going to get in most action films which is why I rarely watch them.
I'm curious. Can you name specific movies that you find offensive?
Post feminism defines strength as man-like, so they ignore strong females in favor of fantasy females taking over male roles.
shareIt's my impression that PC complainers don't understand that show business is a business which needs to attract an increasingly diverse audience in order to be profitable.
Well said, agreed.
shareYou're confused.
Netflix has new competition from CBS and Disney which is infringing on their business model.
Publishing in general has suffered: newspaper, books, comics and magazines. Blame the internet. Audiences prefer to view their DC and Marvels heroes in the movies and on TV in 2019, not comics. More people read news, books, etc. on their phones, computers and tablets.
X-Men, Star Wars, Star Trek, Aliens, Superman and Batman writing is horrible. Bad writing will effect movie sales since people want quality. Personally, I'm not that impressed with Marvel either.
Most whites are 58 y.o., Hispanics 11 y.o., blacks 27 y.o., Asians 29 y.o.
Why would any business continue to appeal to a dying population? It's normal for them to begin to appeal to a younger population which happens to be more diversified. Both my favorite radio and TV stations did that when they realized their audience was growing older (and dying out).
Anything by Ricky Gervais.
shareLol Tarantino is VERY woke. Acts black in half of his interviews and claims to be a “brotha”. How can he be woke yet un-PC? Because his movies are violent? This is the hypocrisy of the anti-SJW.
shareDid you not see his new film where Brad Pitt smashes a woman's face against a wall for a full minute?
You can tell Quentin has a love for black culture in interviews, but his films contain way too much stuff that wouldn't fly with the PC crowd (incessant use of the N-word, violence perpetrated towards women etc). Plus, I don't think acting black and "culturally appropriating" fits with woke culture.
Sure He embraced The Yellow Peril Ideology and Insulting all Hardworking Asian Actor/Actresses Tarantino is Racist
shareWhat is "acting black"?
shareThe thing you hate when a man of color walks down your street.
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysEKHc871o
I don't see it. He acts more like a nerdy white guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw