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Wasting food (and money) -- Update


I'm an excellent shopper, but suck at planning meals, so too often I end up throwing out what was a "great buy," and otherwise wasting food. It bugs me.

I only have a small freezer, so freezing stuff (cooked or uncooked) isn't much of a solution, although more so than I currently use.

The things that most often go bad before I can use them up are:

- cilantro
- lettuces and pre-packaged salads
- mushrooms
- fresh meats (especially larger things, such as whole chickens and roasts)

What about you? Can you plan well enough to use up and not waste the food you buy? Any tips for those who struggle with it?

And, does anyone have any tips on extending the life of cilantro?? I love it, but doubt I've ever bought a bunch I could finish before it went bad.

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Well,i don't buy food.I live in country-side,so i don't have to buy it😉

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Then you are very fortunate. Living in the country as you do, do you truly not have to buy any produce or meat? If not, you're lucky. The times I've lived closely enough to producers of produce to buy higher quality and less expensive produce, I've been happy enough to buy it,

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Yes,catbookss,it's true.In rare ocassions i have to buy some products,butbin general,i have everyrhing i need to live.

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Great! I'm curious as to what you produce and how many acres to sustain your lifestyle. It must be a 24/7 way of life. We had 5 acres where we planted a small vegetable garden. It was constant work, too much rain, too little rain, insects to battle, etc. Speaking of vegetables, the only item we can never acquire at the grocery which satisfies our taste buds are home grown tomatoes! (In reality a fruit) There's nothing like them. If a good farmer's market is available we may find them there.

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Well,my friend,we have 45 acres of land,on wich we cultivate corn potatoes,beans,tomatoes,some onion etc.I know exactly what you mean,there's nothing like a good vegetable grown in your own garden😉

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You can freeze cilantro. I will wash it, cut it, let it dry, put in a snack size ziplock bag and freeze it. It doesn't take up any space.

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Thanks, Kittens. Unfortunately I like fresh cilantro, not dried. But I did find a supposed solution that allows fresh cilantro to keep from 2-3 weeks! I'll have to try it.

http://www.vegetablegardener.com/item/12215/how-to-keep-cilantro-fresh

Also, in the comments, there are a few other great suggestions for keeping produce fresh for weeks. Well worth the read, and I'm going to try these as well.

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Thank you Catbookss! I'm going to try this. It makes sense, fresh flowers are put in water. I hate wasting fresh herbs.

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I shudder to think how long I could eat with the food I've tossed over the years. What's worse is that, for the most part, I dislike leftovers, but I've always tried to make meals that don't create any. I don't mind cooking, but I hate meal planning and trying to decide what to make. It's my dirty little secret, I suppose.

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You and me both. I don't want to know how much money I've thrown away over the years, and how many good meals it'd translate to.

It's the same for me: I dislike leftovers and do what I can to avoid creating them.

So far, it's looking like the lack of planning meals, and perhaps also a lack of a (good size) freezer, are the main reasons we're wasting the money we spend on food :/

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I have the same issues -- my freezer is too small to do all that great advice people offer about just making a week's worth of meals from leftovers or whatnot and freezing them all plus all the other leftovers. When people tell you that's the solution, they are usually people with large freezers and lots of storage space in general. Or people with families who wolf down entire lists of fresh produce within one meal, so, no chance for anything much to go bad /go uneaten.

I too wind up wasting lettuces and salads that go bad before I get a chance to eat more than the first portion from them. Living alone I waste fresh foods because you just can't eat all of it before it goes bad and you just don't have the space to keep stuffing everything in the freezer. You also wind up eating the same damn meal for four days in a row.

My solution is to eat only packaged crap. Lol.

Everything that's actually fresh and real and natural can't be bought in small enough quantities for a single person.

A pile of people will tell me I'm wrong. Sorry, nope, tried it every which way and can't make fresh produce work for me, in terms of not wasting stuff going bad.

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Thanks for understanding about the economical aspect, truly! A lot of people, usually those who have more than just themselves to cook for, don't know that this is actually true for single occupant households, that it's less wasteful and often cheaper in real terms to go for convenience rather than multiple fresh ingredients that all go bad before they can be used by one person using them slowly.

And yes, a lot of packaged things these days actually do boast a more updated ingredient list that includes far fewer artificial things that they once did, and are even marketed as made with all natural ingredients. If you choose the right ones it's not all that unhealthy.

But if it kills me, hey no dependents to feel the loss, lol!

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Aha, so you're in the same boat that I am. It would be great to have a large freezer, but if I'm honest, I'd have to say even if I did, chances are I'd still leave frozen meals in there until they weren't any good, or I worried that they weren't any longer good.

Yeah, that's part of it, if you're a single person, it's impossible to buy in the quantity for a single person. So we have to figure out workarounds, if there are any. I was hoping people would post some here.

Like you, there's no way I'm going to eat the same meal for 2, let alone 4, nights in a row. Okay, *maybe* I could do it 2 days or nights in a row, but definitely no more than that. I need variety. It's astonishing to me that some people don't, but some really don't. Lucky them.

I do buy some pre-made, pre-packaged frozen dinners as well, but run out of the few varieties I like, plus they take up freezer space.

Come on, SOME of you here have to have some tips on this problem. Or are we all a bunch of wastrels? ;p

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Hey Prelude, I just realized I hit the reply button on the wrong post. I replied to Dazed, when I meant to reply to you:

Aha, so you're in the same boat that I am. It would be great to have a large freezer, but if I'm honest, I'd have to say even if I did, chances are I'd still leave frozen meals in there until they weren't any good, or I worried that they weren't any longer good.

Yeah, that's part of it, if you're a single person, it's impossible to buy in the quantity for a single person. So we have to figure out workarounds, if there are any. I was hoping people would post some here.

Like you, there's no way I'm going to eat the same meal for 2, let alone 4, nights in a row. Okay, *maybe* I could do it 2 days or nights in a row, but definitely no more than that. I need variety. It's astonishing to me that some people don't, but some really don't. Lucky them.

I do buy some pre-made, pre-packaged frozen dinners as well, but run out of the few varieties I like, plus they take up freezer space.

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Try cooking for just one person Cat. Like you I have a small freezer. So some left overs always get tossed.

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Thanks, Bwb :). I usually do that, but … Okay, for instance, I bought some ground turkey on sale, which was a good buy. But I didn't feel like or even think of making anything with it for 3 days. So now it's getting in danger of going bad, right?

So this time, already having had this thread in mind for a week or so, I bought some tortillas and salsa, thinking I'd make a burger one night (which I did), and tacos tonight and the next. But now I don't feel like tacos, which endangers the ground turkey, and the salsa.

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Welcome to the club. I do the same thing often. Very often.

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I'm having some trouble understanding how recently purchased salsa would be in danger of spoiling so quickly if kept in the refrigerator. Also, how you could lose track of a frozen dinner in a small freezer to the point it's no longer edible when they're good for at least 9 months in there.

I never toss leftovers. I package and date them in nice, single meal containers. And I always rotate them in the freezer so the most recent go to the back where I can forget about them for awhile.

One habit I've changed is just simply buying less and only getting into a stock-up mode during the late fall and winter months.

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The salsa I like is made with fresh ingredients, so yes, it only lasts about a week or a little less. That's a short period of time to eat enough Mexican-themed dinners to use it up before it spoils.

It's not that I lose track of frozen things because I can't find them, LOL! It's that using them means I have to first defrost, which takes more planning ahead than I'm used to doing. Usually it's only large things, like whole chickens or roasts or whatnot I have this problem with.

Sounds like you've got all of this down to a science, Db. Very organized.

Buying less is a good idea for some things. Curious why stocking up in fall and winter months work better for you. I only stock up when things are on sale, regardless of season. Provided I have enough freezer space.

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Ok, that explains the salsa somewhat but then, it doesn't need to be confined to Mexican-themed dishes; it's very versatile.

As far as the frozen meals, I just assumed you meant frozen dinners if you have a small freezer problem.

Not sure about the science aspect, Cat, but like you, I struggled with the same problem and became determined to resolve it and can now proudly say I've made significant progress. Spoiling and wasting food/money is no longer a pattern but an isolated event. And buying less became an aspect of the solution.

The seasonal stocking strategy is mostly about my hunkering down during the winter and leaving the house less often. Also, that's when I actually cook more, i.e. crock pot recipes because I'm a comfort food lover and need more ingredients available in the house. I also like to capitalize on sale items by stocking but only if it's feasible in the long run.

Like you, I also purchase those prepackaged salad mixes occasionally and had them decay on me too quickly. I eventually realized that part of the problem was that the sell by/ expiration date stamped on the package was unreliable. I devised a plan to transfer the contents of the plastic bag ASAP after purchase to a tupperware type bowl. This involves weeding out portions of salad already decaying and the key before storing is forcing out excess air in the bowl by firmly pressing down on the lid. I guarantee this will prolong the freshness of the salad considerably and you don't even need to keep it in your refrigerator crisper

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I struggled with the same problem and became determined to resolve it and can now proudly say I've made significant progress. Spoiling and wasting food/money is no longer a pattern but an isolated event.


Great, so there's hope! And congrats on making the necessary changes to solve this problem. You have every reason to be proud :)

Aside from on or in eggs (ala huevos rancheros) and as dip with tortilla chips, I can't think of other uses for salsa, but both of those ideas are Mexican-themed. The real problem for me is that salsa has such a distinct flavour profile, to eat it say 4-5 times within a week would be too much of that taste in too short a period of time.

So I suppose the only solutions for me are to either buy the ingredients and make it myself as I need it, or resign myself to never being able to finish it and will have to throw some away.

Good idea about picking out any decaying bits in pre-made salads, and then transferring to an airtight container. I have TWO in my fridge right now. Guess what I'm having for dinner?

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Here's a suggestion for salsa if you should happen to like baked potatoes :

Once your potato is fully cooked, split it open lengthwise and add a couple of tablespoons of salsa instead of sour cream. Add a slice of your favorite cheese on top and nuke it for about 30 sec. to melt the cheese.

The is one of my favorite comfort foods I mentioned earlier and it's quick, convenient, tasty and filling.

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Thanks for the suggestion, Db. I'm not big on baked potatoes, which is a shame because they're so easy to make, and inexpensive.

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I have the same problem - buy something on sale, thinking I'll make this and that, and then have no taste for it before it goes bad. When it comes to meat - very expensive, in my book - I've gotten better about cooking for one. Within a day or so after purchase, I divide it into single servings, wrap each one properly and freeze it. Having such a tiny fridge/freezer I can't buy a lot of meat, but tucking individual pork chops or burger patties into small spaces in the freezer is better than trying to fit an entire package in there. When the serving comes out of the freezer it usually takes only about a day to thaw in the fridge, so you do need to think ahead a little.

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It's frustrating, isn't it? Even if it weren't for the money factor, I dislike wasting food.

That is a very good idea, and kudos on your being able to adapt by dividing things into servings soon after purchase, and then freezing. Also buying things that can be easily divided and then frozen. I'm going to start thinking along these same lines, before making these so-called great buys!

BTW, last night I did end up making tacos with part of the on-sale ground turkey. I knew it was only a day or two away from going bad. Cooked all the turkey with veggies, and will figure out some other way to finish it off tonight. Maybe spaghetti.

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Oh so true for me, too - it's not the money, it's the wasted food that bothers me. I have a small white board on the front of my fridge and that's where I write a reminder to separate and freeze the meat portions.

That's the thing with ground turkey or beef - you can cook it and use it in other ways, such as spaghetti since it will keep longer cooked. By cooking it you buy yourself some extra time. 🙂

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Hi Cat,
Been out of service...Granddaughter visiting from FL Anyhow, I can't begin to tell you how many half loaves of bread I've pitched. I've attempted to be thrifty by making croutons, but husband doesn't like them. I suppose I could dry, pulse for dry crumbs then use for breading. But, I'm dilatory and the bread molds! We've been empty nesters for years and I still cook for four! Several weeks ago, I made homemade mac-n-cheese. Yep! A full 9 x 13 pan! It kept growing as I had to pour it out of a smaller casserole dish into a larger one!

I still continue to prepare a huge meal for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter. Tell me please where I can locate a 4 lb turkey, a ham smaller than a half, etc. I do a formal table, set ALL the many foods on the table, pour the wine, then we two sit down, look at the food (while I'm looking at the mess in the kitchen) say grace, serve the food....then sigh. By this time I'm not hungry! And...what to do with the leftovers? When we lived around the kids I could dole out the extras. I never gained from the BOGO deals as they always got the freebies. Since moving out of state I donate to Salvation Army.

But, to get to your point, I purchase most of my food these days from Schwan's home delivery. The food is better, meats are proportioned and the packaged meals feed less than what is stated, so little is leftover. By not going to the grocery I don't have the problem of impulse buying. I write a list of what is necessary and send my husband. I still have to toss food such as celery, lettuce, potatoes in the bag, mainly produce. My large dairy drawer seems to acquire OOD dairy products...got lost...and also moldy cheese at times. He purchased too much when on sale. Maybe that's why the mac-n-cheese dish kept growing! We purchase the Bob Evans and other like side dishes. Cuts down on throwaways. When thinking about it who makes the small amount of homemade mashed potatoes which are in the Bob Evans container? Not me, it's 5 lbs!

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Hi Ksp :)

Hope you're having a nice time with visiting granddaughter.

Oh yeah, bread is another thing that too often gets pitched over here, and I'm sorry to say I'm dilatory as well. We could freeze the other half of the loaves, and use for toast, then use the unfrozen half for sandwiches. I don't eat toast very often, but suppose I could toast bread for some sandwiches.

Mmm, homemade mac and cheese. That IS a lot of food for only two people. I assume you ended up freezing the rest. Luckily mac and cheese freezes well. I do the same, BTW, whenever I make soup. Have to learn to make *small* batches, and then freeze whatever I can't eat if any's left over. Sounds like you need to scale down in a similar way with holiday meals, but that's tougher to do. Good on you for donating BOGOs to the Salvation Army!

We don't have such a thing as Schwan's here. You're right, impulse purchases can be a problem. It's worse when you go grocery shopping while hungry, because *everything* looks good [laugh]

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I can't begin to tell you how many half loaves of bread I've pitched.


Every week my elderly Aunt brings us loaves of bread. We can’t eat half of it. Fortunately it doesn’t go to total waste, as what we don’t eat goes to the barnyard fowl, that in turn provide us with eggs.

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I still have to toss food such as celery, lettuce, potatoes in the bag, mainly produce.


I have a suggestion, cabbage instead of lettuce. Not only does it taste much better than salad (At least in my opinion) but it holds up much better, and it’s better for you (cancer fighting properties as with all in the cabbage family). Over time the exterior leaves of the cabbage head will become spotted and wilted. Simply peel off those exterior leaves and the cabbage below is good.

As far as potatoes go, I’ve found that turnips not only taste very similar (With the skin peeled, otherwise they taste like a giant radish) but they hold up very well. In the old days, farmers would grow bushels of turnips to hold their livestock over for the winters. They’re also ridiculously easy to grow.

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Most packages meats will stay in open in the fridge for several days. In the package, it usually says "Use or freeze by this date:" on it somewhere. Generally, I put 3 lbs of ground turkey in the fridge. Then when I use 1 lb (a third, by eye), I separate the other two 3eds into two 1 gallon ziplock freezer bags. I squish them flat so they store in the freeze easier, and they stack better. Then, to thaw, I fill the sink with hot water and drop in the zip lock. Since its flat and thin it thaws in about 3 minutes.

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And that is how pre-packed foods, freezer foods, and canned food came into being!

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No kidding! They do help, but some things you just can't get frozen or canned, plus they're not as good for you as fresh, or as tasty.

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Actually, you could ask this on the Food and Drink message board, you may get better answers there. I actually only just discovered it by visiting Politics. We forget there are some unconventional message boards on a moviechat.org site.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000083/Food-and-Drink

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A food thread!

Hey all,

At home I have a large freezer and so bulk cook for those times when I just want to heat something and eat well. However when I'm not home I have to be creative unless I'm wanting to eat out at restaurants, street food or fast food places - which can't always be often due to limitations from work.

Some tips I've found which are generally useful wherever I've been and which fit the problem of small freezer, microwave, toaster and oven/hob are:

Find a loaf of sliced bread that you like, separate half of it into a plastic bag and freeze it - worst case scenario there's always toast for a good snack.

Eggs keep for weeks in the fridge (Months really but I know some people like to stick by the advised dates on them), learn how to use them well. From the simple fried egg to soft boiled, poached, hard boiled and omelette you can always get a protein fix in a hurry. When you are confident this can turn into baking, sauce thickeners and even your own mayonnaise.

Cheese, like eggs it keeps very well in the fridge and can easily be added to either of the above for a carb/protein/fat quick meal which you can rely upon.

Herbs, roots, bulbs, stock and sauces. There are plenty of dried herbs + pastes which can keep in cupboards for years (I use them far too much for that). Freshly frozen sliced herbs are found in cube form in many developed countries. With freshly frozen basil, cilantro (Coriander to Brits), garlic and ginger you can open up a wide range of dishes for when you do want to do a proper cook just by popping cubes in from the freezer. I can't say enough about stock cubes for a decent base either - beef, pork, vegetable, mushroom and of course chicken (In gel or granular form) all keep in dry cupboards and bring a great panache to many a dish. Sauces conclude this section with everything from fish, Worcester, Sriracha, oyster mushroom, wasabi, mustard, pesto, lemon juice, pasata and others being staples you will learn to never live without.

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Next up are rice, noodles, pastas and pulses. These ingredients could outlast World War 3. All you need is some slightly salted water and knowing how to time for which particular one you are using. From risotto and cous cous to lentils and beans your dishes will be able to be Winter and Summer proof and may only take some sauce or egg to complete within 10 minutes. Keep them in sealed dry containers and only refill them when they are fully used from sealed bags.

Meats. If your freezer is as small as two shoe boxes which have an icing problem in the middle of Summer or Winter you'll want to conserve space. Buy whichever meats you like and take them from their packaging and put them into plastic bags for one meal dishes (With labels if you desire) for when you are ready to cook. Rotate what you keep in there so you are using the freshest of your selection each time. Bacon/pork, chicken, fish and beef all take up little space when wrapped individually and defrost quicker too if you want to pan fry or oven bake them from room temperature. Shrimp and prawns and known for gathering frost and so keep any purchases of them as fresh as you can. Cured meats keep for very long times in the fridge and dried meats like salami, chorizo and pepperoni can hang from a wall and keep for exceptionally long periods of time (They get dry if left for years though).

Vegetables. Probably the only thing you have to buy fresh regularly (Along with milk and/or cheese depending on diet). Always have an onion or two to hand and this can really go anywhere depending upon personal tastes in meals. I like to keep some peppers bought in and spinach too because they are versatile but this really all comes down to your own tastes and hopes for cooking.

Lastly sliced garlic keeps well in oil if jarred and chillies keep in vinegar when sliced and jarred.

Follow the above and the sky is the limit with the utensils you have to hand :)

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Holy cow, you are the king (or queen) of this topic! Thank you so much for all of your tips.

Never thought of slicing garlic with oil, and jarring it. Garlic usually lasts a reasonable amount of time in the fridge, but sometimes it does start sprouting, and this sounds like a much better way to extend its life as well as make it more easily dinner-ready.

What, by the way, are "pulses"?

I've noticed the same about prawns/shrimp, that they ice over easily when frozen, and need to be used up more quickly than other meats or fish.

There was a post (or two) on the article I linked to about extending the life of fresh produce, in the comments section. When I have a chance, I'll copy/paste them here, as well as trying them out myself and reporting back my results.

I don't drink milk, myself, but do love cheese. Because I love cheese so much, rarely does it go bad. But that's me, and won't help others here who aren't as fond of it or eat it as often.

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You are very welcome Catbookss and I hope you can use some of them to make your culinary experience more joyful in the future.

Depending upon the length of my stay anywhere I'll take enough bulbs of garlic & top and tail them, peel them & finely dice into something like sunflower or rapeseed oil. At home I smoke them in the oven & put them into a fancy bottle filled with extra virgin olive oil but that's just me showing off to dinner guests. Same goes for the chilli vinegar, the oil/vinegar can be excellent dressings for salads/dips (Fancy or not).

Pulses are dried; beans, peas, lentils, chickpeas, lupins, nuts & tamarinds (When you can get them) and help add bulk to a sauce, stew or salad when added. I'm sure there are YouTube videos out there which will give better detailed accounts of how to use them but they last forever & can make some scrumptious dishes. Some lentils & chickpeas, for example, boiled with curry powder over a lazy fried onion & garlic base with braised chicken breast can make a wonderful main course which a little tub of plain yoghurt and some pilau rice & flat bread (Very easy to make in minutes) can produce a restaurant quality dish. If you have any apricot jam/jelly or tinned diced pineapple can send it over the top into quality cooking which will always impress (Adding some crushed peanuts or pistachios as a sprinkle at the end gives crunch & uncooked freshness too).

I'm a sucker for prawn/shrimp & have learned the long & slow way to buy fresh that day if I want to cook with them. I love bisque in the Winter but it only keeps for two days and the quality of the flesh is so important to getting the most out of it. Unless you cook with either at least once a week I'd say hold off on buying them until the day they are needed (Apart from experimenting of course!).

I love reading about different people's experience with food & so please do post your articles' comments findings.

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YAWN. YAWN. YAAAAAAWWWWWWN.

Seriously, I have a fucking LIFE.

I run TWO businesses, do volunteer work and have a time-consuming hobby that is my joy.

Fuck being in the fucking KITCHEN. You're clearly a guy.

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Could you please, please with sugar on top, watch your language? You also seem bored with the topic at hand, so "turn the channel" to something more interesting to you.

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I know. I'm surprised this benign thread turned pear-shaped in parts, but oh well. I am remembering that Prelude does have an awful lot on her plate to contend with, and perhaps she was just having a particularly rough day.

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This is all very useful & good info. Someone asked for help and you took time from your life to give detailed help. I don't know why some random third party would attack you for that, when it was never directed at them in the first place. If people don't like to cook, and if they have such busy lives and 2 jobs and whatnot, why even read the thread about cooking? That's however many minutes voluntarily wasted, just to throw a tantrum.
Never too busy to dump hostility on random strangers, I guess.

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Houdini was replying to Catbooks. The whole thread was started by Catbooks. Nobody addressed anything to you until you ran into this thread screaming obscenities for no reason.
If you hate food then just don't open food threads, how hard is that? Not everything has to be for everyone. Skip the ones that aren't relevant to your interests. Go do your hobby or something.

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I don't know why either - but I appreciate the concern about this silly incident.

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Indeed this was the incident that I referred to in that other thread devoted to discussion individual members receiving visits from board moderators Dazed.

I'm not looking to expand upon the incident any further because if someone was genuinely feeling harassed and couldn't discuss it open and plainly (Or within a direct message) I don't wish to exacerbate any perceived ill will from me towards them as there is none.

I'm sure the mods have a lot of responsibilities that I, and most members here, have no idea about. However this is my second warning from them and on each occasion it has been a fairly dry matter of me replying with a retort to someone making a point of goading me. I can certainly see some people trying to game the system using this technique and it could stifle the fun and helpfulness which makes up the memberships' interactions with each other on a near daily basis.

All-in-all I'm very happy with the sites and everyone who uses it. But I think it might need to work out what is what and who is to blame (If anyone) for perceived slights or harassment as I get by on the Internet without any problems elsewhere regarding my conduct and decorum.

There certainly are trolls here though, I sympathise with the difficulties of maintaining harmony with the varying styles of characteristics posters here have and how to moderate them seamlessly.

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"I'll happily write to the mod in question and present the incident as I saw it,I'm sure others would too."

Greatly appreciated Dazed but I think the moderation team here can take everything in their stride and will, over some time, have a stronger way of dealing with weaponised reporting or finding context for reports when they may be more impulsive and reactionary than they would normally be due to whatever factors may be known or guessed about.

It all takes time and between moderation and the ignore feature I really don't think there should be much scope for worrying. I just responded to you in that thread as you'd posted there 5 minutes prior to mine and thought I'd share my story about how it can be occasionally questionable which opens up to innocent people perhaps being treated as guilty for merely responding to people looking to interact with others on the Internet (Regardless of how their headspace is at that moment in time).

That all said, let's bring the noise and have the fun we're all here to take part in :D

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@Houdini

Did I miss something? Why were your replies deleted? From what I read they were just retorts chastising a person who was being vicious with vile, profane attacks toward others, me included. Posters who post with vicious ad hominem attacks should be censored and their posts deleted. We, as other posters, should be permitted without further profanity or vile insults call to task those who spew their venom. I saw neither from you. IDK, maybe the Mod's reasoning is we shouldn't be part of a back and forth with such posters. Analogous to a bartender continuing to serve a drunk....egging it on, so to speak. Thoughts?

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Hi Kspkap,

I'm thinking the moderator in question decided to remove all posts which they deemed inappropriate however I was given an official warning by them which I have asked for them to reconsider as I think this is more of a case of report being abused than general moderation considering what I've seen up and left around the rest of the site.

I've no idea how hard it is being a moderator but I would like to point out the moderate element of such a role is of absolute worth to the position of moderator. I'm hoping things are being discussed behind the scenes and we don't get too much of this appearing across the site in the future.

As for the member who goaded me into replying, I have nothing against them and would put it all down to a bad day at their end - unless they are amongst those reporting posts rank and file, in which case I'd suggest looking at them more closely.

All in all I'd like for people to get back to talking about cooking with a smaller refrigerator and sharing their thoughts upon the matter. I'd like to think my contribution(s) here far outweigh my defending myself in a courteous manner against someone who was clearly reading things into my post which nobody else was.

Perhaps some merit badges to balance out against warnings might be something for us to all consider.

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@Houdini

Before putting this dust up into the file marked 🙈🙉🙊, isn't it odd her first vile reply to you was not deleted? I had to log out to confirm as I have her on ignore.

Now back to your wish of writing about food...wonderful, glorious food! The ways to purchase, store and/or prepare when one has a smaller refrigerator. As stated before, I order from Schwann's and Omaha due to the inferior quality of foodstuffs here in south MS (oh, how I miss my beloved Publix!). Also, by shopping online from these company sites, I don't do impulse buying. I plan meals from my comfort chair.

By so doing presented a problem. All items arrive frozen, Omaha's in boxes, Schwann's mostly in bags. I have a 26 cu ft French door bottom freezer refrigerator. The huge freezer would normally accommodate weekly and beyond shopping. My first order from Omaha had me scrambling. Those beautiful well packaged boxes of meats would never fit in my freezer due to other items currently taking up space. While the Omaha items remained in the accompanying cooler containing dry ice, I proceeded with a clean out and re-arrangement of the items in my freezer. I then removed the contents from each box, saved the label and used freezer zip bags for easier freezer storage.

When I ordered from Schwann's, also frozen, mostly complete meals in bags, veggies, fruits, etc., I knew I needed extra freezer space. Since I had an extra little refrigerator only (4.5 cu ft) in my laundry room, I decided to purchase a similar size freezer which I stacked onto the little refrigerator. This would store the smaller items. Since it's not frost free I ordered two of the pads which prevent frost. How they work idk, but they do. One of these little freezers could be a solution for you dealing with a small refrigerator and the need for more freezer space.

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"One of these little freezers could be a solution for you dealing with a small refrigerator and the need for more freezer space."

Are you coming on to me? ;)

I do find it odd that the first reply was kept up but again I'm sure this will all work out over time as the site is still fairly young and mistakes will happen.

It sounds like you have a freezer equal to my one at home but do a better job with veg, sharing those ideas might help a lot of people out as buying in bulk saves money but eats up on usability time - a difficult bridge for saving and fresh cooking I know.

Back to my original innuendo, I'm never away long enough to worry about needing freezer pads but I do think you sharing your knowledge and experience of them could e of great use to those with limited space. I'm away, perhaps a few months at most, and less than that often enough and so get to my own freezer and friends enough for me to turn over its produce.

It's the being away that makes the limited space occasionally a worthwhile consideration. I like cooking, I LOVE eating and I enjoy movies on my own time and with my own company (Sometimes not always true ;) ) and so cooking occasionally with limited resources makes it all the more worthwhile as I know I can make what I want, when I want.

I also enjoy cooking shows and learning (And sometimes bettering) what I can from them.

As for the other silliness which came from this thread - pay it no heed, it's not worth it and I'm sure everyone will feel better when their hangover is forgotten.

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"Are you coming on to me? ;)" Sorry, over this dumb blonde's head! LOL!

The freezer pads are for the little freezer which isn't frost-free. I didn't want the mess of having to defrost especially with it atop the little refrigerator. The pads prevent the frost from forming.

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I sometimes live in a short term solution where the tiny freezer (In the tiny fridge) makes the most amount of frost/ice during the height of Summer or Winter and so reducing that would be of great use to me - and others with similar problems.

I was just having a smiley joke as that is one of the biggest problems I have with short term leases. Nobody is around long enough to care about complaints like this I guess.

And I enjoy teasing, it's a two way straight and I'll grab it when I can get it ;)

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I think you are right, that the same people who objected to any moderation, are now manipulating the mods by crying wolf constantly.
Houdini did nothing at all wrong in this thread.
I don't know if they really did follow prelude to some other board like prelude claimed, so if that happened maybe that spurred the warning, but I just know in THIS thread, Houdini did nothing at all wrong and was attacked in an extremely bizarre way.
I had hoped that the mods would have more skepticism and would read whole threads before making judgements. If they have never moderated forums before, this is something you have to watch out for. Trolls know how to game the system, and know how to manipulate inexperienced mods.

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Yeah, I have been a paid moderator for several different companies, as well as multiple unpaid 'just for fun' boards.
At one of the jobs, we had a lot of young users who had these type of 'board wars' where they would constantly report each other for anything, it was usually a two-way situation where Itchy would report Scratchy for the same things that Itchy was also doing himself. Then Scratchy would report Itchy too. And all their socks and all their friends, constantly reporting the enemy group.

They would tie up so much moderator time with the back & forth.
I had my fill of it and that was when I was getting paid, so that's why I did not volunteer to do it here. I am at this board for enjoyment in my free time, and modding would suck all the fun out of it. It's like trying to herd hamsters. So I do have much empathy for the mods, it's a freaking pain in the ass job especially when you are doing it for free. But you do have to take the time to read the whole thing and see who is the instigator.

It's like when you have 2 kids who are constantly fighting, sometimes you might get tired and just send them both to their rooms to get some peace and quiet. But occasionally, it really is one person's fault and the other one did nothing wrong. You can't let yourself get so tired and hardened that you miss seeing those occasions.

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Okay, getting back on topic here.

I see I'm not a big fan of "pulses" in general, although I do sometimes make soups with lentils and beans, and like nuts, but generally they're snack food for me so I don't use them in cooking.

I've learned the same with shrimp/prawns. Even if they've been flash-frozen, it doesn't take very long for them to become tasteless, freezer-burned shrimpsicles. A few weeks. Better to buy fresh and use them up in 1-2 days. By day 3, they're questionable.

The article itself said the best way to preserve cilantro was to place it in a small jar of water, covered with a plastic sandwich bag and put it in the refrigerator. This is supposed to extend its freshness for a little over 4 weeks! Impressive, and that's what I'm going to try first, having just bought a fresh bunch today.

For fresh basil, another herb I have problems with, "The recommended storage for basil, from the farmer at the farmers' market,is to put it in a plastic bag, full of air, twirl and twist the top to close it, and leave it on the counter, not the fridge. lasts for a couple of weeks." I'll definitely try this because I LOVE fresh basil, and now that summer is almost here in the northern hemisphere and garden tomatoes available, mmm!

I found this post especially helpful, as it's about a number of varieties of fresh vegetables … ugh, reached pesky character limit. Continued in next post ...

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Continued:

"I've found a great way to keep all my vegetables (with the exception of lettuce which I'll explain later), including cilantro, crisp fresh forever--without having to use paper towels. I soak a kitchen towel (a regular, large hand towel; doesn't really matter what material) in cold water, then wring it out so it doesn't drip but is still quite damp-wet, and lay it flat and smooth on the bottom of my vegetable drawer in the fridge (pretty important to use a drawer; not just flat on a shelf).

On top of the damp towel , I place my washed and loose vegetables, slightly dried with another hand towel used for that purpose. They can be placed on top of each other, too. For instance, I lay the celery stalks on the right side of the bin. On top of these, I place whole carrots. On top of the carrots, I place stalks of green onions. On the other side of the bin, I might place washed whole beets, and cabbage. I just keep topping everything with veggies until I have filled up the bin, keeping in mind to place the lighter veggies, like cilantro and parsley, on the very top so they don't get crushed.

I then place another soaked and wrung kitchen towel over all the veggies to cover them. I then shut the drawer, and voila. When I need a veggie, I just pull it out, already cleaned and ready to prepare and fresh as the day I stored it. When a veggie runs low, I buy another, wash it, and return to fridge. Periodically, I remove the veggies from the bin (good time is when everything is running low)and wash my towels in the washing machine to freshen, then start over; i.e., soaking them in cold water and wringing well, laying flat in drawer, and relaying the veggies, etc."

Ugh, STILL reached character limit! Lettuce tips continued on next post.

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Lettuce tips!

"Lettuce is a little different. I still don't have to use paper towels, and it, too, keeps fresh forever. I wash a head by separating the leaves and swishing them in a few changes of water in a large bowl. Then I give each lettuce leaf a good shake (I don't use a salad spinner because I want a little moisture left on each leaf). Then I arrange the leaves individually in a very large glass jar (half-gallon size is good), so they're closely placed together (can be a little snug, but try not to crush). Then I screw on the jar lid and place in the fridge. When I need some for a salad or sandwich, I simply pull out some washed leaves already prepared and crisp fresh."

This won't help those of us who buy pre-washed lettuce, or pre-packaged salads, but will help those who buy heads of lettuce, and may convince me to try buying a head of lettuce or two and trying it out.

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Good tips, thanks for sharing!

I don't have much issue with vegetables but for those who do I'm sure this will help immensely.

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All of this sounds like a full-time job. . . . . :(

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Once you get into it it's just knowing what to shop for and when.

If you want a lasagne, or a pie, you go out for one.

It is all very achievable with the kitchen utensils being suggested without any hassle.

Healthy body; healthy mind (And that goes both ways).

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And you sound completely patronizing.

There are still people with "healthy bodies" who wind up dead of cancer at 36, and people who eat shit who live perfectly good lives until 90. My healthy grandfather was one of them.

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

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People dying has nothing to do with them being healthy of body and mind.

As per my other comment it seems as if your mind is currently unhealthy - that's cool. Perhaps just think about nicer things more often and maybe it will help with any stress related conditions you might be experiencing.

No need to apologise for your bull though, it's natural for anuses to exert themselves when they need to :)

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No, it sounds like magic. The screenname also checks out.

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No, it sounds like a full time job. And I don't know what you mean by "the screenname also checks out."

What are you talking about? What's special about his screenname?

Clarify.

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Houdini was a magician.

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Things like cilantro and other fresh herbs, they sell them in these HUGE bunches so I can never use it all up before it goes bad. Most recipes just need a small amount so I wish they'd sell it in smaller bunches.
If you have the climate and the space, can you try growing herbs? Then you can use just the amount you need and not have to buy big bunches. I haven't grown cilantro but I've grown chives and parsley, they are super easy.

For whole chickens and roasts, don't buy it unless you know you can cook it in the next 2 days. Cook the whole thing right away and then cut it up and freeze it in meal-sized portions. Use it in different things each time: pasta with chicken one night, chicken salad the next, stir fry with rice another night, etc. Then it's not the same meal 4 nights in a row.
Otherwise if you literally cannot eat the same meat 4 nights in a row even if it's in different dishes, then you shouldn't ever buy a whole chicken or a large roast. because a single person can't eat the whole thing in one meal.
It's not a great buy if it all goes in the garbage. :(

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Growing them myself would be ideal, then just plucking off whatever amount I need for whatever I'm making, and the plant would still be producing for months.

I've had more trouble keeping fresh basil than cilantro, and you're right, they're both sold in large bunches. If I refrigerate the basil, it starts to die off and go bad within a couple of days -- far too fast for me to use it up. What I've learned is it *doesn't * like cold (i.e. the fridge), and I read in the comments of the page I linked to how to preserve its life, but have to reread to find what the answer was.

Excellent points about not buying whole chickens or roasts -- regardless of how enticing the sale prices may be -- UNLESS I'm willing to cook them within a few days, and then divide into portions and then freeze. Exactly! My so-called bargains turn into garbage too easily, which means money thrown straight into the trash, be that meats or produce. I started this thread because I don't like this! On several levels, and want to learn how to solve this problem.

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