Saying you're not bill brown is not saying much. And why do comparisons at all? If it's just facts and opinions? Or are you saying you just lie and misrepresent less than him?
thats why its flopping... MCU is on its last legs.
also, I never said it was flopping
Well, that's EXACTLY what you said. One side of your mouth, please meet the other to discuss. I know it's hard to keep track when your only motivation has nothing to do with identifying facts.
"I said that The Batman would make around 750m"
No, actually you said it MIGHT reach 700, followed by "not bad." After first saying it didn't have legs b/c your box office expertise didn't realize previews are part of the first Friday numbers, and the drop to the 2nd Friday is analyzed with that context in mind rather than ignoring it. You just eventually crab walked your way to barely admitting what was objectively clear all along.
But back to the current topic, which you completely dodged. When a movie is still in 4500 theaters, in its 12th day, and already at 715mil, 750ish is coming in a few days, never mind the final tally. So yeah, I understand movie math, but do you? Your movie math expertise called that "respectable." So when it clears that with weeks to go, what is it then? You can have your opinion, you can also say 2+2=5, but no one would defend that as something other than stupid. You went from "flopping" to a respectable 750mil in the SAME thread. Your "opinions" suddenly shift depending on the statement of the person to whom you're replying. If you're going to crab walk away after trolling, do a better job than leaving something that can be refuted simply by scrolling up.
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JoWilli (15578)
2 years ago
a fact cannot be wrong and my opinion cannot be wrong, those are 2 facts. if you dont like my opinion then thats ok too.
"It's already made 715mil worldwide (3.6x its production budget)"
again, thats not how it works. the studio also has to pay for advertising, marketing and distribution, etc. and has to split profits with theaters. the common rule is to use the 2.5 multiplier. that would be 200m times 2.5 which is 500m. 500m minus the total BO would be the profits and those profits would be split studio executives, investors, and actors who get a percentage of the profit.
800 million is respectable for both movies, thats my opinion. and its not flopping, just saying it didnt make much more than the first.
TDK made over a billion and with inflation, it made like 1.3 billion. Twilight Man made decent numbers but not as much as TDK. thats a fact.
Doctor Strange (2016)
WORLDWIDE
$677,796,076
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022)
WORLDWIDE
$719,621,490
DS 2, should gross over 1.5 billion at least. its not even going to be close to that. which is disappointing. but not flopping. thats my opinion.
"And why do comparisons at all? If it's just facts and opinions?"
you do realize you do the same thing? you state a fact and then you state your opinion, but somehow when I do it I am villain. its make no sense.
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
"It's already made 715mil worldwide (3.6x its production budget)"
The above is a fact. You're doing what you accuse me of. You say "that's not how it works" -- what is untrue about the above? Nothing. You just assumed an implication that wasn't there. The key word is "already" -- when it's 715 ALREADY, and 3.6x ALREADY, on day 12, it CAN'T be flopping, it CAN'T end up at 750. Those numbers are tracked for a reason here...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Doctor-Strange-in-the-Multiverse-of-Madness-(2022)#summary
Get it?? It's comparative.
You said it was flopping, it isn't. Then you edit that comment b/c you're a punk who tried to cover his stupid tracks. Why not simply stand behind that opinion?? You said it'll end up at 750 when it's impossible for it not to exceed that in a few days. You tell me the calculations, and conclude that 750 is respectable. So, I'll ask again, when it reaches that respectable 750 in the next few days, with weeks to go to ADD on to "respectable," what is it?
And please tell me the logic behind your astute opinion that says that a movie already at 715 in its 12th day, still in 4500 theaters, would end up at only 750. Describe the thought process, instead of telling me about multipliers, or other movies, or editing past comments to make them seem less dumb -- or any other things that don't actually answer the question.
Saying DS 2 is "flopping" is stupid. Saying it'll end up at 750, when it's already at 715, is stupid. And your silly 1.5bil+ expectation for a DS movie is completely arbitrary. You just moved the goal posts by an entire length of the field. 750 is respectable and your end total, but it SHOULD've made DOUBLE at LEAST?!? Yeah, that's brilliant. Why, exactly? That'd be 4th all time, from a DS movie with a China ban(!?). Your thesis winds up saying a big win, instead of a monster win, means "flopping" -- with a reply we both know you changed after the FACT. "Villain" gives you too much credit, punks edit to hide facts.
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WhereIsRent (1021)
2 years ago
‘TDK made over a billion and with inflation, it made like 1.3 billion. Twilight Man made decent numbers but not as much as TDK. thats a fact.’
TDK was the second film in that reboot franchise though whereas The Batman is the first. A fairer comparison would be to Batman Begins’ box office.
Now that the first film is established as being good the sequel will likely do even better and maybe closer to TDK’s box office.
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
He knows that already. I said the same when he was pretending The Batman was failing, and was tweaking people about it (but he saw it multiple times, of course). But he's flailing now, so he goes in all directions, bringing up unrelated things, editing posts, and not quite answering key questions. Check his history, it's just off the cuff, hit-and-run tweaking and hyperbole left and right. I think he thinks he's funny. The Politics section is where he belongs.
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WhereIsRent (1021)
2 years ago
Yep, he seems to be talking a lot of rubbish haha.
‘DS 2, should gross over 1.5 billion at least. its not even going to be close to that. which is disappointing’
Why should it even gross close to that haha, Doctor Strange doesn’t have the popularity of Spider-Man nor is it a team up film like The Avengers.
Also I think his prediction of Top Gun 2 making a billion is way off. Cruise’s highest grossing film of his career is Mission Impossible 6, an established action film franchise. If Top Gun 2 makes more than that I’ll be very surprised.
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
Yeah, Dr. Strange isn't really a 1st tier character, so I think it's just another thing he pulled from his ass with little or no thinking. And I doubt he even knows that it's banned in China.
I have no idea about Top Gun 2, other than reading that the sequel has gotten good reviews. And I haven't read the trades regarding predictions yet, since I'm not that interested. I didn't like the first one much.
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JoWilli (15578)
2 years ago
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
WORLDWIDE
$945,289,432
Top Gun: Maverick
WORLDWIDE
$918,322,824
wow, this hasnt aged very well. lol
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
will prob end up around $750m, which is respectable numbers
A whopping 4 days later, 800mil, 50mil past "respectable" ALREADY. lol, yeah, you're really dialed into this stuff. Keep comparing to the first movie like you did before, and make sure to account for the China ban on the 2nd movie. The first made 110mil from China alone. And the first was 4.1x its production budget at the end of its run, this is ALREADY at 4x now, and it did so without China. 17 days down, only 73 days left to go!
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Doctor-Strange-in-the-Multiverse-of-Madness-(2022)#tab=box-office
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WhereIsRent (1021)
2 years ago
Haha, came here to post the exact same thing.
It’s now the second highest grossing film of the pandemic era after Spider-Man: No Way Home and has knocked No Time to Die to third place.
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
He's been posting all along, but you know he's not coming back here. It'll probably crack 900mil, and certainly would've cracked 1bil easily with China. It actually came in higher than expectations this weekend. And with kids getting out of school soon, they'll squeeze every last drop out of it. A big win no matter how you cut it.
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jakemon45 (975)
2 years ago
I see he has now edited his number predictions like we wouldn't notice. Glad you have the quote right there!
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
Yeah, and he'll still be wrong with 850mil. Now, he'll have to change it again.
From
will prob end up around $750m, which is respectable numbers
to
will prob end up around $850m, which is respectable numbers
to?
We'll see how many changes he has to make to match what I already said.
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Doctor-Strange-in-the-Multiverse-of-Madness-(2022)#tab=summary
I guess it's time to edit again, huh? Even your sneaky, punk-ass revisions to stupid predictions are WRONG. lol
From
thats why its flopping... MCU is on its last legs.
will prob end up around $750m, which is respectable numbers
to
MCU is on its last legs. this movie is disappointing.
will prob end up around $850m, which is respectable numbers
to?
What's does "respectable" plus another 115mil+ equal? Bye bye Ragnarok. Hey Spider-man: Homecoming, Dr. Strange is looking at you. And all without China!
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MartyDeniro (4052)
2 years ago
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/05/29/box-office-bobs-burgers-nabs-15-million-doctor-strange-2-nears-900-million/
In holdover news for the weekend box office, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness earned another $16.7 million (-48%) in its fourth weekend for a $21.5 million Fri-Mon haul and new cume of $375 million by Monday. That pushes it past The Batman ($370 million) to become the 2022’s biggest domestic grosser, even if that benchmark may be challenged by both Jurassic World: Dominion and Top Gun: Maverick. Even if the MCU sequel ends up third at the domestic box office for the summer, that doesn’t make it any less of a big hit.
We’re still talking about a Doctor Strange sequel that’s going to earn just a little less than Iron Man 3 ($409 million in 2013) and Captain America: Civil War ($408 million). The $200 million Sam Raimi-directed sequel has earned $868 million worldwide and will soon pass The Battle of Lake Changjin’s $905 million global cume to sit behind only Spider-Man: No Way Home ($1.891 billion) as the second biggest Covid-era grosser. It may not crack $1 billion, but it didn’t need a penny from China to be a massive commercial winner.
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