How did Rey become a Jedi?


First lets look at Anakins and Lukes journey to become a Jedi.

Anakin trained with Obi-Wan for 10 years and still wasn't made a Jedi until the events in AOTC.

"But Anakin was not made to take such trials, so then how did he become a Jedi Knight?

Well, it was through his efforts during the first year of the Clone Wars, that proved his worth as a Jedi Knight, and also some convincing by Obi Wan.

Obi Wan, before he became a Jedi Master and had a seat on the council, requested an audience with them to discuss Anakin’s progress as a Jedi. There, he vouched for Anakin’s experience during the war, and that through his valiant efforts on the battlefield had essentially passed the Jedi Trials, and they would therefore be redundant. He came before them requesting that Anakin be made a Knight, and that there was little more that he could teach him.

The council agreed, and they arranged the knighting ceremony for Skywalker, where Obi Wan and Anakin would no longer be master and apprentice, but equals, and brothers in the Force."


Luke did not become a Jedi until ROTJ when Yoda told him that he would have to face Vader to become a Jedi.

"He received his initial training from Obi-Wan Kenobi and additional training from Yoda, but he did not become a Jedi until his final confrontation with Vader on the Death Star under construction in Return of the Jedi:
Yoda: No more training do you require. Already know you, that which you need.
Luke: Then I am a Jedi.
Yoda: No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will."


Rey: In the TLJ, Luke says that she is the last Jedi. Now how and why did Rey become a Jedi with no training or explanation of anything. There is still no explanation of why she is so skilled with a laser sword and was able to fight with Kylo to defeat the red imperial guards with such grace and skill.

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I'm sure there's a valid explanation for all this. Somewhere.

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Somewhere is right, they have one movie to wrap everything up in a tidy fashion.

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She's a Mary Sue. No training required

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Get me 2 Utah!

She is definitely an elite Mary Sue but at least give us some kind of explanation. Now everything will be crammed into one last movie, if there is one. Who knows Rey may be in another trilogy again.

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Kathleen Kennedy likes her, so she became a jedi. It's that simple.

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You are exactly right.

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Pretty much.

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Maybe she's just better than all of these guys... Better than Luke... Better than Anakin... Better than obiwan... Just naturally better...

Why not?

I bet the guys who ran track at your highschool worked hard and were dedicated and chosen from a wide group.... Put them next to someone with the genetics of Usain Bolt and he leaves them in the dust... Almost a different species...

You guys have to consider that Rey is just naturally superior and how hard luke, anakin and obi wan had to work to get to where she is naturally is not relevant...

Maybe Rey is just better...

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Usain Bolt didn't become as great as he is just because he was born that way. He trained hard. Terrible example.

No born Force user is just better than someone who has trained. They all trained, even Yoda. It ruins the whole franchise when you have created a character who is better "just because."

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Sorry, i think i wasn't clear. My point is what if Rey is so much more naturally gifted that she is better than the trained guys even though she hasn't reached her full potential?

An untrained, 18 year old Usain Bolt wouldn't be a world record holder, but he'd smoke your highschool track and field team... it would cause them disbelief...

What if we haven't even scratched the surface of how powerful Rey is?!

Why not?

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Never in the history of human kind has talent beat hard work and training. All success is based on 5% talent and 95% training. Talent only gives you an advantage when you train as hard as the person without talent. It doesn't make you superior just by sitting on your lazy ass.

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good thing these movies aren't about human kind 😉

I agree that hard works beats pure talent, but there are exceptions... i can train as hard as a want, i will never reach as high as Shaq did when he was an untrained 16 year old (he's much taller)... I can moisturise my skin all I want, but I will never be a soft and supple as Rooney Mara...

Is it inconceivable that Rey is just an order of magnitude more naturally gifted than those dudes?

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but is "the force" a skill?

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i thought it was genetic, with all that midi-chlorian (lol) stuff... i know it's silly, but I didn't make this up (blame Lucas) 😁

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Lando is right, both Anakin and Luke had training.

Rey, zero training other than cutting a rock in half.

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Anakin is naturally gifted, but he still needed training. So are the other Jedi. The thing is she never really had a mentor up until the movie. Who taught her mechanics. She was a loner. Anakin slaved in a junkyard with a purpose and guidance even if it was from a junkyard trader.

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Precisely, how the on on earth did she pick up that skill. Who on Earth taught her that. Mary Sue alright.

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Hypothetical scenario...

What if in the latter movies we find out that Rey is able to collapse DeathStars by using the force and to move planets out of their orbit?

Would she need to be "trained" first? What is there in Star Wars thst precludes this? It's a fantasy movie...

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What if she's not a Jedi, but a... umm, Didah. A Didah is way more powerful than a Jedi and need no training whatsoever. They only came once in every 100,000 years so there has not been one in previous Star Wars movies. Even Luke doesn't know about this, thus he thought she was the last Jedi, when she's actually a Didah.

See, it's fantasy. Bad and stupid fantasy, but still...

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Suspension of disbelief is what sells your fantasy to the audience. If your audience thinks it's stupid, they will never believe in your story and thus never enjoy the storytelling.

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That's why these neverending debate about whatever Jedi is that, or Rey must be this... are a little bit silly, aren't they? What a Jedi means anyway? Who knows?

It should have been whether this movie is well written or not. And if it's not then please don't buy tickets for the next installments so they understand clearly that their movie sucked.

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So you think Anakin and Luke's level with the force is only equivalent to some high school track team members?


The last few films made them out to be some sort of messiah......

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No... I'm simply stating that the disparity between Rey's level and theirs is so high...

Maybe another analogy would be more suitable given comicbook culture these days... Superman, generaly speaking, makes other comicbook characters seem weak in comparison (flash, batman, ironman, captain america, aquaman, spiderman, etc,..) because his level is so high... faster, stronger, can fly, is resistant to damage or getting hurt, vision, etc... they look mediocre by comparison even though they are gods in their own movies...

Perhaps Rey is just that much better... naturally... I don't know, but it seems as plausable as anything else in the series...

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That's the thing though, both Luke and Anakin, especially the latter was shown to be almost like Superman, even better, the messiah. And here comes some girl with no training whatsoever only 30 years after Anakin, and she's presented as someone godlike in her abilities with no effort or journey of her own to make us like or side with her. She has no journey, she's already at her destination at the snap of her fingers. What kind of a heroes journey is this?

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i suppose they're not trying to tell a hero's journey story... i didn't feel that... her first movie seemed to be more of an enssamble or almost like multiple intersecting stories...

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But that’s the problem. Vicky nails it - there’s no heroes journey, and that’s what Star Wars always was. I concede that Rey might just be naturally better, but it’s a deeply unsatisfactory and lazy explanation. It’s boring because there’s no journey, no story. I believe the vast majority of fans demand more.

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i don't want to be misunderstood... she is a banal character, not interesting at all, but believable insofar as this series goes... 😁

i wonder if they'll eventually give her a love interest... maybe she'll fall for one of the older women...

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Her just being “naturally better” with zero explanation is not professional-level storytelling.

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i'm not sure if in the past fans complained about Hercules' powers, or Sherlock Holmes' smarts, needing them to be "explained"...

Movies these days have enough nerdy exposition as it is...

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Sigh.

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He doesn't say Rey is the last Jedi, he said he wouldn't be the last Jedi.

Rey is not a Jedi yet, but the expectation is that she will be by the end of IX.

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If you just look, there's obviously a huge decrease in the amount of training required from one trilogy to the next.

Before Phantom Menace: Must start training at 4 or 5 years old, and train for life.

Prequel trilogy: Many years (as in, more than a decade) of constant training needed, but it's okay if you start five years too late like Anakin did.

Original trilogy: Only a few days of training needed, broken up between a few minutes with Obi-Wan and a few days with Yoda. No actual lightsaber fight training needed, by the way (which you think would be necessary to defeat Vader, but Rey-bashers dance around this point). Oh yeah, and you can start at 18 years old now.

Sequel trilogy: No formal training required, unless Rey was trained a little when she was a child, still not sure about that yet since we really don't have her backstory filled in. So this is uncertain.

So, what's the ACTUAL standard for Jedi training? Anyone? Six movies before The Force Awakens showed us that there is NO STANDARD.

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To me this was the most dissapointing part of the movie. How is there not a large focus on her training? Epic fail. Can't believe how much the director/writer messed up this movie.

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No standard? Probably. Would it be because everyone is different, has different strengths and weaknesses? The mental side is probably like Zen, where the objective is to clear your mind of illusory thinking and fears that have no basis.

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The reason Luke required little lightsaber training (and we don’t know how much he trained with the remote on his own time, btw) is because he’s a Skywalker. Both OT and PT clearly established that Skywalkers have an extremely high instinctive grasp of the Force. For example, Anakin could use it as a child to safely pilot a pod racer, an otherwise impossible feat without many years of experience and training.

That brings me to Rey. If she’s a Skywalker (which was clearly hinted at in TFA) then we have a simple, consistent and satisfying explanation for her abilities in spite of her having little training.

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The Jedi Council said Anakin was too old to be a Jedi and it took a lot of convincing for them, including fielding the possibility that he's the Chosen One, to let him train.

Yoda outright told Obi-Wan that he wouldn't train Luke because he was too old. It took a lot of convincing from Obi-Wan to decide otherwise.

With that said, Anakin was a Force-baby and Luke was his kid. They have an abnormally strong connection to the Force. On top of that, Luke absolutely had lightsaber training with Obi-Wan, even if briefly and we have no proof that he didn't have saber training with Yoda.

So there's no real evidence that people require less training as time moves on and we have yet to have a clear explanation as to how Rey achieved everything so quickly.

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Answer 1: We'll find out in Episode 9.

Answer 2: She is an spiritual avatar from the higher Force World living in human form in order to fix the imbalance in the galaxy. To be accepted and learn the ways of mortals in order to best guide them, she incarnated in a human form, forgot her origins and has grown up knowing only the life of her chosen human form. Therefore she has complete Jedi training and acquaintance with Force but her mind needed to awaken to remember her mission and identity. Working with Luke increased her awareness of her role but she hasn't fully awakened yet.

All Jedi before her didn't have the capacity to correct the imbalance between Light and Dark as developing students of the Force, so the Jedi spiritual group sent her as a potent, unshakeable personality to confront the Dark or the Sith decisively.

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This is one of the main points that really makes me dislike her, plus she looks and acts like a squirrel.

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The same way Bobby Bouchet was able to come back in the second half and lead the Mud Dogs to victory in the Bourbon Bowl.

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T-time to o-open a can of whoop ass!

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