Sorry....I didn't know I was attending class???
Right from the opening shot with the Cowboys and INDIANS so called correction by Keaton's colleague. I don't want any of this PC crap thank you. Fine you want to have more diverse cast but seriously STFU trying to lecture!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NbZ3tagi54 (sums it up perfectly)
The leftist agenda saturating everything is backfiring on them. The more they try to shove this garbage down peoples' throats, the more we learn to ignore it for the nonsense it is. The whole "built by slaves" shit is just pure nonsense. So that means the building is evil? We should never go into it? Tear it down? Every building that has a hint of negativity should be avoided? To the people that ACTUALLY believe in this leftist garbage, just know that you are stupid and you need to grow up.
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Don't be so thin-skinned about it. You sound as whiny as the most stereotypically whiny feminist vegan protesting whatever a feminist vegan would protest. I'm the last person to tolerate force-fit diversity/social messaging, and I absolutely loved the film. As far as I'm concerned, if they make a great movie, with great actors, and in the case of SM:HC one that stays so perfectly true to its source material, any diversity-based casting choices are immaterial.
sharePerfectly true to its source material? The supporting cast in this movie could not have been more off from their comic book counterparts. Aunt May, Flash Thompson, etc. were all wrong and were absolutely nothing like their characters from the comics. Horribly miscast and not properly written. If you like this movie, fine, but if was definitely a huge departure from its source material. I absolutely loved Holland and Keaton, however.
And I agree with the OP, this PC/forced diversity crap getting rammed down our throats is getting old.
Have you read the Spider-Man comics? They nailed it across the board in this film. Flash Thompson especially-- he'd been such an afterthought in the first two franchises. Like, a quick, obligatory meathead who poses no actual threat to Peter shows up, acts like a bully, never seen again. The new Flash was exactly right-- the center of attention who continued to rally the school against Peter, who slowly gets relegated to the side as Peter develops confidence.
Everything about the film was spot on to the comics. YOU are so caught up in race that you refuse to see it.
Everything in the film was spot on to the comics? Everything? Let's see... Spider sense? J. Jonah Jameson? Photography hobby? Being an independent loner whose secret identity wasn't known by anyone? Making his own costume and NOT having a Stark tech suit that never shuts up? "MJ" going from a fun and energetic redhead bombshell to a whiny emo outcast? Hmm.. I seem to have found a few things that would suggest otherwise.
Yes, I have the read the comics my whole life. Multiple times. Have you? I was not talking about their race. At all. Flash in the comics was an arrogant muscular jock and football hero, not a nerdy weirdo with a potty mouth. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Peter Parker, his polar opposite. Here they were so similar, I don't even see why they were enemies. Sure he had more screentime and a bigger role to play than the Flash in previous Spidey films but that's not what I was talking about, now was it? If the bullies in my school looked and acted like the Homecoming version of Flash, I would have kicked their asses.
And do I really need to explain what was different about Aunt May? Going from an elderly and nurturing woman who somewhat dependent on Peter to a young fox who could easily find some wealthy man to take care of her. Quite a departure there. Are you honestly gonna tell me that this Aunt May was closer to the comics than the one in the Raimi films? (which I never even mentioned in my original post, by the way, but you automatically asssumed I was comparing to them)
I don't read the recent comics, by the way. I stopped reading Marvel in the early 90's. So if these characters have changed since then, I wouldn't know.
Your remark about the "PC/forced diversity crap" suggested that you disliked the diversity. What you're saying now is different. My feeling is that the film accurately captured the spirit of the comic and the characters in a way the previous films didn't. Raimi especially, though he made two great films, gave us Hollywood stories that happened to feature someone in a Spider-Man suit. They bore little resemblance to the comic.
Marvel modernized some things to make it fit our times rather then give us Spider-Man '63. Mary Jane and Flash are perfect examples of that. In the '60s, the Mary Jane type worked, but how out of place would that character be today? Zendaya, who is not Mary Jane btw, is to 2017 what the Mary Jane type was to the '60s. Flash, too. Bullies today aren't the BMOC meatheads, esp. at magnet schools. The '60s comic Flash would be unintentional comedy in today's world.
In the comic, Spider-Man originally wanted to be a part of the Fantastic Four, and not the Avengers, but the concept is the same. Tony Stark and Peter Parker are a team in the comics, although maybe since you stopped reading, and Stark did design a souped up suit for Peter similar to the one in the film. In the Ultimate Spider-Man series, there is a best friend who looks a lot like Ned who knows Spider-Man's identity. And in truth, in all the comics a LOT of people have known his identity. At one point, he even held a press conference and told the world, though a few years later he made a deal with the devil to make the world forget. (I wish I could forget that whole crappy story, but that's another post.)
They couldn’t include every single character. Maybe JJJ will show up in the next film? The spider sense seems to be in Infinity War, but they selected interesting & important aspects of the character's history and made a great film. Had they included the Daily Bugle they'd have had to lose something else.
Okay, fair enough. I see what you're saying.
shareNo one is saying they dislike diversity, they just don't like it being shoved down their throats 24/7. I'd rather see diversity that isn't forced.
shareWhat felt forced about Spider-Man:Homecoming? The diversity you are so focused on felt anything but forced. A magnet school in Queens, NY is going to have students of all races.
share"Raimi especially, though he made two great films, gave us Hollywood stories that happened to feature someone in a Spider-Man suit. They bore little resemblance to the comic."
With the exception of the organic web-shooters, they were very much like the comics; the original comics that is. Any comics that "reimagine" things don't count. As for "Hollywood stories", you don't get any more "Hollywood" than this 2017 movie, complete with laughable SJW propaganda.
"Marvel modernized some things to make it fit our times rather then give us Spider-Man '63. Mary Jane and Flash are perfect examples of that. In the '60s, the Mary Jane type worked, but how out of place would that character be today?"
That's absurd. Since when is a hot redhead with an outgoing personality tied to any particular time period? And how is making "Flash" into a small, Indian nerd an example of "modernization"? That's not even a believable character, much less a "modernized" one. Small nerds don't bully anyone, at least not in real life.
"Zendaya, who is not Mary Jane btw, is to 2017 what the Mary Jane type was to the '60s."
That's also absurd, as well as ironic. While hot chicks with outgoing personalities are highly standard anywhere you go, and not tied to any particular time frame in any way, "emos" (like Zendaya's character) are strongly tied to the '90s. "Emo" is also indicative of mental health issues such as depression and various anti-social behaviors.
"Bullies today aren't the BMOC meatheads, esp. at magnet schools. The '60s comic Flash would be unintentional comedy in today's world."
You're an idiot. Bullies will always be the larger/stronger guys, because regardless of how "enlightened" you may think kids in 2017 are (lol), a fist to the face (or a believable threat of it) trumps anything in any school.
You seem awfully out of touch with the modern world. Some of what you said is easy to factually correct-- nothing about MJ fits the mold of "emo." She's cynical and aloof, and not remotely emo. Tony Revolori isn't Indian, his family came from Guatemala.
All of that aside, on what are you basing your argument that any of Raimi's films bore much resemblance to the Spider-Man comics? They were overtly love stories, as the voiceover explicitly states. Tobey Maguire never captured the essence of Peter Parker at all. The humor was missing. The comics were firmly grounded in school, first high school, later college. None of that was a part of those films. They were fine films, don't get me wrong, they just weren't Spider-Man films.
The latest film feels like Ditko-era / Bendis-era Spider-Man come to life. I could go on, even citing specific issues, and even page numbers, but will refrain.
As for your notion of bullies, you're stuck in the '60s mindset. Spider-Man is set in New York, at a magnet school. Large and strong is a liability there, unless you have the brains to match. The bullies are the kids able to be cool and popular and verbally and mentally demean the unpopular kids. Revolori nailed that role.
Back to Mary Jane / MJ-- it's not being red-headed or outgoing that's dated, obviously, but her character. Zendaya is playing a modern teen. Comic Mary Jane was a ditzy go-go girl and as relevant to 2018 as Flash the moronic meathead.
"You seem awfully out of touch with the modern world."
Your non sequitur is dismissed.
"Some of what you said is easy to factually correct-- nothing about MJ fits the mold of "emo." She's cynical and aloof, and not remotely emo."
This is a good summary of an "emo":
"A person who acts depressed and edgy when absolutely nothing is wrong in their life."
"Tony Revolori isn't Indian, his family came from Guatemala."
Irrelevant. He could pass for an Indian (of the Rajiv variety, not the Tonto variety). For example, see the comment section here:
http://ethnicelebs.com/tony-revolori
Also, he has played Indian characters before. Furthermore, he's a runt (5′ 6″), which is the most important thing with regard to the laughably bad casting of him as a bully.
"All of that aside, on what are you basing your argument that any of Raimi's films bore much resemblance to the Spider-Man comics?"
They had more of the details correct, i.e., he made his own suit, Flash was a big strong guy, white, who was an actual physically aggressive bully instead of just being runt who was all talk; Mary Jane was a white, redhead; Parker had "Spidey Sense"; Aunt May was an elderly gray-haired lady like in the classic comics, Parker was a photographer and did freelance work for the Daily Bugle under J. Jonah Jameson, and Parker didn't have a fatass sidekick to whom he revealed his secret identity.
"Tobey Maguire never captured the essence of Peter Parker at all. The humor was missing."
Neither the comic books nor any of the movies ever had any real humor. They both made similarly poor stabs at it however.
"The comics were firmly grounded in school, first high school, later college. None of that was a part of those films."
There were scenes of him in high school, and unlike in the 2017 movie, Parker was an outcast like in the classic comics. He wasn't a valued member of a big team of kids. The 2017 movie negated the outcast aspect of Parker.
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"The latest film feels like Ditko-era / Bendis-era Spider-Man come to life."
No, it doesn't. You can't change a bunch of stuff from the classic comics (see above) and still have it feel like the classic comics.
"As for your notion of bullies, you're stuck in the '60s mindset. Spider-Man is set in New York, at a magnet school. Large and strong is a liability there, unless you have the brains to match. The bullies are the kids able to be cool and popular and verbally and mentally demean the unpopular kids. Revolori nailed that role."
You're delusional. First of all, "magnet school" is your assumption; it isn't a term used in the movie. And even if it was a "magnet school", that would be yet another departure from the classic comic books. Second, brains never trump brawn in any American high school, regardless of the decade. What good does running your mouth do if you get beat up for your efforts? Laughable attempts at "wit" do exactly nothing to stop a fist from connecting with your face.
"Back to Mary Jane / MJ-- it's not being red-headed or outgoing that's dated, obviously, but her character. Zendaya is playing a modern teen. Comic Mary Jane was a ditzy go-go girl and as relevant to 2018 as Flash the moronic meathead."
There's no such thing as a personality type which is unique to any particular decade, which negates your entire premise.
I forgot to address this "gem" of yours:
"In the comic, Spider-Man originally wanted to be a part of the Fantastic Four, and not the Avengers, but the concept is the same."
No, the concept isn't even remotely the same. In the one issue that he wanted to be part of the FF, it was only because he needed money, and thought that was a way to get it. There was no hero worship going on, no "dream" or "yearning" to be a part of their team. In fact, he was very condescending and rude about the whole thing, acting like he was doing them a favor by gracing them with his presence. And when they told him they were a non-profit organization, he lost all interest in the idea. That's nothing like how Parker is portrayed in the ridiculous 2017 movie. In that movie he acts like he's the "Chester" to Tony Stark's "Spike" (Looney Tunes)...
https://youtu.be/UVNHcob3oJg
... which is about as far out of character as you can get. Spider-Man has never been a kowtowing wannabe sidekick to anyone.
You need to read more of the comics. Spider-Man tried to join the Avengers multiple times. I can think of at least half a dozen examples of this, dating back to one of the earliest issues of the Avengers... #11 I think?
I get that you want to wish away the facts and live in a world that mirrors your delusional viewpoints, and I say go for it. That's why I stopped responding to your nonsensical diatribes here. There's no point in arguing about this. If you want to have a friendly discussion of the film I'm game, but all you've done is sprinkle in insults directed at me along with your made-up version of the world we live in/ the comics the film is based on.
>You need to read more of the comics.
Your non sequitur is dismissed.
>Spider-Man tried to join the Avengers multiple times.
LOL at you trying to move the goalpost. I replied to the following assertion of yours:
"In the comic, Spider-Man originally wanted to be a part of the Fantastic Four, and not the Avengers, but the concept is the same."
"I can think of at least half a dozen examples of this, dating back to one of the earliest issues of the Avengers... #11 I think?"
Not that your laughable attempt to move the goalpost is relevant, but those examples are just as unlike the depiction in this movie as your Final Four example was. Also, Spider-Man didn't try to join The Avengers in TA #11; it was robot copy of Spider-Man from the future that tried to join the Avengers in that issue.
In the TASM annual #3 (1966), The Avengers tried to get Spider-Man to join them (rather than the other way around). The test they gave him, to capture the Hulk and bring him to the Avengers, was something that Spider-Man decided he didn't want to do because he didn't know what their motives were, so he refused to take any further part of it.
There wasn't another example of this until '83 (TA #236 and #237), and his wanting to join The Avengers was motivated by money (he found out that being an Avenger could get him $1,000 a week), just like in your ridiculous Fantastic Four example.
After that there are no more examples that I know of until 2005, i.e., well into the modern era of comics. I only care about the silver and bronze age Spider-Man (the latter of which ended in about '85), so I don't know the details of the newer examples, but it's a safe bet that none of them were anything like the Chester and Spike scenario as seen in the asinine 2017 movie.
"I get that you want to wish away the facts and live in a world that mirrors your delusional viewpoints, and I say go for it."
Your [comically ironic] non sequitur is dismissed.
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"That's why I stopped responding"
Yes, and given your lack of any further arguments, your tacit concession on that previous matter is noted. Also, since you have admitted that you don't intent to respond to it again, your explicit resignation from that previous argument is noted and accepted.
"to your nonsensical diatribes here."
Your non sequitur is dismissed.
"but all you've done is sprinkle in insults directed at me along with your made-up version of the world we live in/ the comics the film is based on."
This is a non sequitur as well, i.e., it doesn't logically follow from anything I posted. Consider it dismissed out of hand, of course.
MaximRecoil, you absolutely nailed it. I couldn't have put it better myself.
shareJust finished watching it and couldn't agree more - the PC nonsense & blatant diversity pampering was so over the top and obvious it isn't even funny.
Fuck I hate the liberal agenda and all their forced PC BS. Go fuck yourselves
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Shut up, snowflake.
shareA shame there was not Enforced Diversity in the black panther.....
I really don’t get why people get upset by such stupid crap.
shareBecause, speaking for myself of course, I'm tired of getting lectured; of being told what and how I have to think, what I have to accept and what I have to like or dislike.
I'm disgusted by the raging hypocrisy of the leftists (and before you feel the need to point a finger, no I'm not a rightist either).
Most of all I'm tired to see entertainment blatantly used as a social engineering instrument.
I'm really trying to see it from your point of view. Just finished watching it for the 2nd time. After reading your comments here...I just don't get how we watched the same movie.
I never felt like I was being told what and how to think. How did you feel lectured on anything?
I was writing in general, not about this movie in particular.
That's how far I'm willing to go on the matter, sorry.
I just don't see it either. Not in this movie or others. Where am I being lectured at and being told what to do and how to think?
I have no patience for hypocrisy, left or right, but I don't see hypocrisy in this film, or others that I've watched. Hollywood is certainly left-leaning, but I don't see them lecturing or instructing me .
I don't get you people lol I honestly cannot stand political correctness but this was just an action film lol....I didn't even notice anything.
The film isn't trying to tell us how to think it is just trying to entertain us?
don't remember that, I remember only that it was rather generic and forgettable, and that Peter became Iron Spider jun and Iron Man looked bored out of his mind, and Peter's aunt was weirdly milfed-up, and wasn't there another continuity error with the 8-year time jump? Whatever.
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