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This is tantamount to blackface.


It's a very bad call, as they just took a white character and darkened her skin. As if ...

I know South Asian people who have lighter skin that I do, and I'm white.

Very offensive.

It's good to diversify. They could have easily added a new character, a person of color.

But to take a white girl and darken her skin?

As if it's all about a person's skin color.

They should've got Hadji from Johnny Quest. 🤣

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jews running hollywood want to replace us. this is all social engineering done at a cost not for profit. there is much biggers things going on then a couple of retarded shows that lose money

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when did the jews hatch conspiracy exactly?

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its in the works for a long time, Henry Ford had a magazine spreading the word back in the day even out of the cost of his own pocket

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Yes, the Jews want to replace us white people with non-white people like Jack Benny, Leslie Howard, and William Shatner.

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It's not the Jews. The Jews themselves are being replaced by the woke cult, Hollywood for the most part was run by white Jewish men. This is unacceptable to the Wokerati and so they are trying to erase their history and their contribution to film.

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I just don't understand how anyone could think that this was a good idea. We live in an age where identity politics seems to be everything. Then how can anyone think that it would be a good idea to take a well known character and change its skin colour? The backlash was built into this idea. I don't understand why anyone would do this.

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Yes, it's ludicrous to darken the skin of an established white character as if that brings "diversity". It's all about skin color, not substance. Racist nonsense. Just add a new black or Asian character. This really is "blackface" of the worst sort.

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I believe the reason might be because they want to rub their double standard "in our faces". In other words, we know the wokists scream when accusing white people of even the slightest "cultural appropriation". But here, in a blatant example of cultural appropriation, they knowingly do what they tell white people they cannot do.

In other words, modern leftists seem to want to exercise power in a corrupt and hypocritical way because they know they can get away with it. This is why leftism is so toxic and harmful and must be opposed at all times.

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Because for all their anti-racist bullshit, the Wokerati are themselves the most racist fuсkеrѕ of all. For them, race is paramount. Everyone is reduced to their race. And they have contempt for white people, especially straight white cis heterosexual men.

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Normally I don't get into the race-swapping arguments, but this one is just so blatantly on the nose.

And to not even include Scooby-Doo.. Obviously I haven't watched the series, so correct me if I'm wrong here, but could they not have just made a NEW cartoon about an original POC child sleuth solving mysteries?

Every minority friend that I've ever talked to about this kind of stuff barely even pays attention to it. The only place you see people praising this crap is on social media.

I just have a hard time understanding who they are actually making these shows for, other than to pat their own backs like they actually accomplished something.

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I agree. A new show would've been better. One show that stands out to me as having done something similar was Static Shock. They had a black main character superhero and he was cool AF. A recognizable name shouldn't be what sells a show.

As other people have suggested, the modern idea of replacing white characters with black characters is more likely a ploy to generate press. Just look. "Velma," has been at the top of moviechat for days. People arguing about the decision only help spread the word.

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Whoever made this decision at the studio should be fired. Any person of color will tell you, it's very offensive to claim that all they are is dark skin.

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I agree 100%. They should have added another character and made him or her Black or Asian or whatever ethnicity they would choose, but to change the color of an established character that's been around since the 1940's is absolutely ridiculous! And yes, one could absolutely call it blackface.

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So even though the script, the plot and the premise sucks, it is the race swapping that gets you upset? Compared to the other things they screwed up, changing skin color is the least of my concerns.

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The overt racism is offensive. Sorry, you put on blackface in a minstrel show and how are we to ignore that?

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Triggered snowflakes need to find a safe place to cry; his forum is not it.

Instead of saying sorry, you could explain why the owners of a property cannot treat it anyway they want.

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Snowflakes? Hahaha. The irony on this one is delicious.

It's "woke" liberals who put Velma in blackface. They're the same ones who say blackface is racist.

Yeah, blackface is not illegal. So why is everyone who does it attacked as racist?

If you don't see the irony here you're an idiot.

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And it is snowflakes like you who are crying themselves to sleep over a silly cartoon.

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The stories we tell ourselves are important. You know that, that is why you are in here, fighting to defefnd Velman. So that argument you just used, was dishonest as hell.

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I have not defended anyone; this show is shit. I said that in the post six places above this one. How soon you forget.

I am mocking you and other delicate snowflakes who are wounded by the sight of a brown animated girl.

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Minimizing an offense, is a defense of the people that did the offense.

AND by pretending that the problem is wacism on those complaining, you are supporting the divisive and hatefull message those people are pushing, ie anti-white racism.

Well, ONE of the hatefull messages they are pushing.

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"Oh, the skin is browner!; I'm a victim of imaginary racism!" That is what you sound like Corbell.

"Wacism", is that how you try to sound like Bugs Bunny when talking about how Velma touched you in your special place?

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"Wacism" is me mocking those who make false accusations of racism, which is what you are doing.

Other than that, I don't see any response in your post, so... I guess I win?

Here is where the discussion was, when you just sort of wandered off.


Minimizing an offense, is a defense of the people that did the offense.

AND by pretending that the problem is wacism on those complaining, you are supporting the divisive and hatefull message those people are pushing, ie anti-white racism.

Well, ONE of the hatefull messages they are pushing.

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If being a crying snowflake is how you win, then I guess you can claim you now own the whining conservatives and can give yourself a trophy.

You imagined that I was "fighting to defend Velma". when I did no such thing. Did you really think that me saying "script, the plot and the premise sucks" is defending Velma?

But you go ahead and keep on winning by claiming that your opponents said something they didn't actually say. I think that is the only way you are capable of winning.

So what is this hateful message they are pushing with a brown Velma?

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The classic "snowflake" is someone that feels any threat to their unique special-ness is cause to "melt" down.

Me complaining about assholes turning a cartoon into shitty political and racist propaganda, is not that.

Hateful message? You're asking me what the hateful message is? The bit were right after the sentence where I discussed that, i went "ie" and then two words, you didn't make the connection?

lol!!!!!

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You're melting down; classic snowflake you are.

You're making this so easy.

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There was nothing melting down about my post. I didn't even use CAPS.

You are just gaslighting now, because you have nothing else.

To summerize, Velma is woke garbage pushing anti-white racism, among other bad messages, and you are here to defend that.


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Mocking you and your posts is not defending Velma. You need to figure that one out.

If you're questioning the validity of your own thoughts, having loss of confidence and self-esteem, or mental stability over this argument about a silly cartoon, then it is your own personal problem, not mine.

How about you quote the words I used in this thread that show I'm defending Velma?

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Minimizing their offense, is a form of defense. As I said before.

My thoughts? Oh, I commented on your gaslighting, I said nothing about it being EFFECTIVE gaslighting.

To summerize, Velma is woke garbage pushing anti-white racism, among other bad messages, and you are here to defend that.

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Repeatedly saying stupid things does not make you right. Try something else.

I think you melt anytime someone, anyone, does not agree with you. Snowflake.

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You asked me the question again, so I repeated the answer.

Oh, as to my summary?

I just have noted that some people, just post any shit, to bury good points that they don't like and can't refute.

So, to avoid that happening, if a post was particularly pointless, i repost the last point made.


To summerize, Velma is woke garbage pushing anti-white racism, among other bad messages, and you are here to defend that.

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You are a joke.

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LMAO...BROKEN RECORD MUCH?

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Keep owning this clown. Corbell is a gigantic joke on these boards.

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It getting boring. It's like clubbing a baby seal; I kind of feel bad for the gal.

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I don't feel sorry for idiots like that anymore. I'm sick of toxicity they put into our society.

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Dude that you have some leftards bleating agreement, isn't fooling anyone, not even yourself.

To summerize, Velma is woke garbage pushing anti-white racism, among other bad messages, and you are here to defend that.

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No, I'm here to mock the snowflakes who think a brown Velma matters at all.

I don't care who agrees with me. The reason I'm making this post and all of the other replies to you is that you are wrong.

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If it doesn't matter, why did they do it?

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Probably they were interested in putting their own spin on the characters and series. I'm sure it mattered to the producers of the series. They are spending money to make the program after all.

What did the producers tell you when you asked why they changed the characters so much?

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It doesn't seem to bother you that THEY care. But it bothers you that I care...

Mmmm, how curious.

The stories we tell ourselves matter. That you pretend they don't, is you gaslighting.

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I'm responding to you, a crying snowflake, lying by claiming I'm defending Velma when I'm merely mocking your claims.

I've not attempted to gaslight you. But if you're still feeling inadequate, it is your personal problem that you have to deal with.

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Me accusing you are trying to gaslight me in no way implies any inadequance on my part...

Meanwhile I saw another review of a Velma episode. She had lunch with her dad at a strip club and then danced on a pole for him.

Great literature here.

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You are rather inadequate.

Are you going to watch the program yourself or depend upon others to watch it for you?

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You're just an asshole.

And i might watch an episode or two, at some point to get the badness in complete context. I think it is an important show, in that it is the current epitome of wokeness.

But so far I have seen NOTHING to indicate that I need to "fact check" my professional critics. If this changes...

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I think you're letting others do your thinking for you. You can't even bother to watch the program to see if what people are saying is true. You are a prime example of a sheep.

But you have seen nothing of Velma, until you actually watch it.

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No, I'm letting someone else take the pain of watching utter shit, and filling me in on the details.

It's not like this is anything NEW, it's just more of the same, dialed up to ELEVEN.

So, I don't see any real need for closer inspection, BY ME.



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You are a good example of a sheep that is lead around by a nose ring because they need to have their decisions made for them.

Good luck with that.

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Just not feeling a need to fact check them on what looks like a clear case of woke shit.

I've seen nothing to give me ANY doubt that Velma is not exactly what it seems to be, woke shit diealed up to ELEVEN.

The details are interesting. The discussion of it, is important. None of this requires ME to personally sit though the shit.

Your... spin otherwise is just shit talk.

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You're just keeping your head in the sand. Not a good look for anyone. Grow some backbone and take a look for yourself.

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Dude. You're talking nonsense. You've and the rest of the world, have been unable to present ONE...anything, to give me any reason to bother.

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The reason you should bother to watch the show is so you can make an informed decision by yourself and not depend upon what others tell you to think. In other words, just be an adult.

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The trailers, the clips, the knowledge that it is a continuation of Wokeness, which I have seen plenty of, the words of the star, gave me enough to make an informed decision to NOT bother.

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Judging a TV show without watching the actual show is weak. I don't think there is any way you can make a convincing argument without watching the program.

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I like how you act as if you are being forced to watch these programs. Get a life you incel.

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Get a life? Incel? LOL, that is hilarious coming from you. When is the last time you got some? Have you ever?

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Lol you are a joke and it's obvious you are an incel. Continue moaning about white wacism. You race baiting scumbag.

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Blah, blah, blah.

Disclamer, if you are as young as you seem, based on your immaturity, then there is nothing to be ashamed of, in not being sexually active.

BUT, if you really are grown, and stupid enough to throw incel around, to random, older people on the internet, when you have NO IDEA, who you are talking to, or the lives that they are and/or have led,


then it's worth noting, that you avoided answering my calling you out, on how long it's been FOR YOU, loser...

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I hope when I'm old I am not as miserable as you. Get back to your echo chamber scumbag.

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So, are you really young or are YOU actually an "incel"?

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Your attempt to deflect from your actions is noted and dismissed.

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So, in that case, maybe don't try throwing that stone next time, loser.

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Nah I will throw a stone that's true based off your behavior. Keep crying about white wacism.

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Except I'm married with a family, while you are really, really vague about how long it's been since you last got laid.

And I wil keep complaining about anti-white racism. It's a huge problem. And growing.

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This guy is a trained boot licker buddy. It's like talking to a wall bud.

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Why should I believe that you are married with a family? I am choosing not to answer it because it is irrelevant and no matter what I said you would claim I am lying. It is why I find boasting about life things online pointless. You just showed your hand though. Usually those who boast about things like that are the ones who are insecure and do not have what they boast about.

No it is not. Keep crying about wacism I do not feel sorry for you. I love that you are upset it makes me quite happy. The less happiness for you the better.

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You considered that boasting? LOL!!!

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Coming from you yep I did. Anyone who attempts to paint themselves as better than another because of their intimate life is someone who is insecure. Why does someone's intimate life determine what type of person they are?

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You're the one judging people by how recently they got laid, not me. I think it is pathetic of you to use "incel" to put people down.

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I use it to put you down because of the way you act. Start acting like a mature adult and quit whining about wacism. Grow up.

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Calling out the Left for the way they massively use false accusations of racism, is adult.

Your denial of this, is you being a troll.

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Not when you call it in places where it does not apply. You are like the boy who cried wolf. You calling Black panther racist was a bigoted claim by you. To a hammer everything looks like a nail.

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Now your conflating two different issues. you know that I use the term "Wacism" to mock asshole libs, who use false accusations of racism as a weapon. That is what you were referencing when you used my term, thanks btw.

Now you are pretending that it means anti-white racism, which is a completely different issue.

I expressed my view on black panther, and supported it. You were a troll.

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Nope I am mocking you for doing the same thing liberals do. You want to cry about wacism but get upset when others do the same. Since you want to ignore wacism claims we will ignore yours as well.

And your views were garbage on Black Panther and easily debunked. I am sorry you have kids. I would emancipate myself from you the minute I could if I was your kid.

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"We"? lol.

It is completely reasonable to call out false accusations of racism and to call out real instances of racism.

THat you think there is a conflict, is because you support the use of false accusations of racism, as a poliitcal tactic.


You actually don't care about racism at all, except as it is useful to you to use against your enemies.

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You will say something is false accusations even if it is blatantly true. It is reasonable to call out false accusations but that is not what you do. It is why you support idiots like Candace Owens.

Nope I do not support false accusations of wacism. That is why I call you out for claiming Black Panther to be wacist.

Oh I care about racism I just do not support lies like you do.

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Bullshit.

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Nope truth. I don't support false accusations of wacism. Which is exactly what you did with Black panther.

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My accusations against Black Panther were/are valid, and you just stonewalled because you DO supportn anti-white racism.

And you are an asshole.

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They were not valid at all. I saw through your crap and debunked it. I like how you can cry wacism but no one else can. Nice double standard there loser.

You are a prick.

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You stonewalled and gaslighted and declared yourself winner.

You are an asshole.

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Nope I debunked your bogus claims.

You are a condescending ignorant buffoon.

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Nope. I'm a very nice guy, and you are the asshole. And you know it.

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Nope. I admit I am not nice. You are worse since you are a self righteous prick who will not admit it.

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I don't admit it, because it is not true. I'm one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

You though, are an asshole. A completely vile and shitty person.

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I do not believe you. I think you are a scumbag.

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And it is snowflakes like you who are crying themselves to sleep over a silly cartoon.


How can anyone be so oblivious?

I just want a woke person here to explain to me why blackface is okay in this one cartoon, but nowhere else?

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Woke has been defined in court as; "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them".

If you re-read my posts, you will see that I never said blackface is okay. I think you're the only one here typing the words, "blackface is okay".

You're woke as hell. You explain it.

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What are you even babbling about?

Diversity is great. Scooby Doo should add an Asian character.

It's racist to assume a white person becomes Asian because they have a great sun tan.

You're an idiot.

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Who claimed "a white person becomes Asian because they have a great sun tan"? As far as I know, the only one saying that is you.

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Velma was white. Now she has brown skin. Now she's Asian. Why didn't they just slant her eyes and give her a cooly hat?

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Velma is still just an animated character. I think if they gave her slanted eyes and the coolie hat that you suggest, it might give you a stroke.

Why are you letting the producers of this TV program own you? It is not a good look for you at all.

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You don't seem to realize that I don't give a shit about Velma. I don't think I ever even really watched an episode of Scooby Doo.

But don't give me this slipshod shit that you darken a white character's skin and she changes race. That's wacist.

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MINDY KALING IS INDIAN...SO HER INTERPRETATION OF VELMA IS INDIAN...THE SHOW IS MEH AT BEST BUT CARTOON SKIN COLOR DOESN'T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH THAT.

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Kowalski, I have an idea. Why don't you post in blackface?

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Hey Bugs Bunny, I don't think your lame attempt at creating a new word is going to catch one. Go find a better safe place for you to snowflake.

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Wacist pig!!! No justice. No peace. 🤣

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Thank the Lord I don't give HBO a penny and will never do so. So much garbage on their bullshit networks.

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Of course if there is a new Scooby-Doo season or movie, then Velma will have to be race-swapped back again for contuity.

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they just took a white character and darkened her skin

They did it with both Cinderella and Santa Claus.

In the minds of The Left, it was racism and white privilege that made her white to begin with. So they are correcting previous wrongs.

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You make a good point. I'd just say Velma is different because it's a rather specific character.

Cinderella and Santa Claus are sort of mythological beings at this point. Even when I was kid in the Mesozoic Age, there were black Santas at the mall. No one objected to this.

But isn't the left against blackface?

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I think the left is against blackface because in theater, it takes a job away from a POC. That's always been my take on the origin of the protest anyway. In animation, not the case.

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I don't think that's why the left oppose blackface. In fact, it was black civil rights organizations which eliminated blackface, not white leftists. Blacks believe it mocks black people. And honestly, it does.

I just think to make Velma's skin dark to claim she's South Asian is silly. It's as if South Asians are just darker skin. There's much more to people than that. Just add a South Asian sidekick for Velma. Whichever studio exec made this decision is a lame ass.

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I was very surprised that Mad Men had a blackface scene. Granted it was from the 1960s and I believe the aim was to show how far we've come, and how inherently racist the character was, but still I was surprised they even went there.

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