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Hints That Dany Was Always Mad (spoilers)


Or always a cruel sociopath narcissist like her brother.

At first, it wasn't obvious because she was being victimized by her brother. Then Drogo when they first married and Drogo's people when she was widowed. We felt sorry for her and cheered for her success.

But, as she gained power, it came out more. An example of her narcissism is how she needs to be presented:
"Queen Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, Lady of Dragonstone, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons."

Even King Robert didn't have a zillion titles.

She constantly congratulates herself when she helps people and adds another title. Even the witch, Mirri Maz Duur had a good point. She was supposed to be grateful to Dany even though her village was destroyed and its people killed and she had been raped for weeks. It's ALL about Dany.

Dany has a huge ego and wants to be worshiped. If not, she incinerates. In her twisted mind, it was always necessary.

Not once, does she show any compassion or empathy unless it's to be worshiped or gain followers aka: putting on an act. Her brother was scum, but he died in a gruesome way and she didn't even flinch. Jon flinched when Varys died.

The other leaders kill too, but it's rare and difficult for them and the reason is usually because of a crime committed. Dany is killing to get people to follow her which is what all tyrants do.

How many times has she threatened Tyrian and Jon? It's only a matter of time before she will kill them.

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I could make a more compelling case for every single character in game of Thrones. She was pretty much the most sane character in the entire series. Except for Tyrion Maybe.

Look:

Tyrion strangled the woman he loved as she lay in bed:clear sign of madness
Tryrion shot his father as he took a poo:very mad
Tyrion constantly gave bad advice to Danarys getting her troops and dragons killed: sign of subconscious desire to kill people and dragon, sign of madness


etc etc blah blah blah.

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Tyrion isn't planning to be king. Never give power to a cruel sociopath.

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wtf? so you agree that every single character in GoT has shown signs of madness, and the writers suddenly making them turn mad in the space of 5 minutes would be totally plausible? You must enjoy a lot of crappy TV series. I envy you.

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There are many crazy people in society. You don't make them king or queen. These people have a choice to choose a good one.

Why would you want another King Joffrey?

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I don't see anything in this reply that excuses the abysmally sloppy writing of the series.

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Off topic, but I agree. The last two seasons have been a disappointment.

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Ahem. Westeros represents medieval England (the center), Scandinavia (the north) and Spain (the south): accumulating titles was not a tradition there. For example, Richard I of England 'Lionheart' was simply King of England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England

Dany rules over a mixture of Asian and Ancient Middle East-like cultures. The tradition there was to accumulate titles. Darius the Great, the father of the famous Xerxes, he was King of Kings, Great King, King of Persia, King of Babylon, Pharaoh of Egypt and King of Countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_the_Great

Dany is just following local traditions. Of course, you can consider non-Western traditions as madness or cruel sociopathy. I disagree with you, but any case, that would be another debate.

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It's LOOSLEY based on history. You have to pay attention to what's happening in GOT itself.

Dany just killed tens of thousands of innocent people because she was POed at Cersei. This happened AFTER her soldiers surrendered. She could have easily had Cersei arrested and executed without destroying the city.

I agree with Varys. RIP.

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What she did when she faced Cersei was quite recent. It's true, that was madness, but it just proves that showrunners suddenly made her mad.

Your point was that she was always mad. And your argument is that she used lots of titles, something that was usual in the cultures RR Martin used as inspiration for Essos, and that she wanted to be worshipped as a god. That was usual too in some Middle East or Asian cultures: Pharaohs were considered gods, and Emperors in Ancient China were in a nowhere land between gods and humans. Assuming those titles, being a god included, is a rational move to build her power, specially taking into account that she's a foreigner in those lands.

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She was more angry then insane last episode. But, she is cruel, sadistic, has no empathy and has feelings of grandeur like her brother.

She enjoys the power that the dragon gives her. She was still attacking long after there were no more soldiers. She'll look for excuses to attack after she becomes Queen.

I was cheering her on until the actor who portrays Sam said his character realized she had no empathy and then Varys confirmed it. I was making excuses for her past behavior that bothered me but realize now the signs were always there.

A GRRM twist that he always intended to do.

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Nah. I don't buy she was always a sociopathic narcissist like her brother. Much like her father before her she began with good intentions but suffered from a genetic illness where she went mad. It's just the writers did a very poor rush job of turning her mad where her snapping this past episode was very unsatisfying and unbelievable.

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I agree. Her descent into madness was not convincing.

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Was about as convincing as Anakin’s turn to the dark side in the Star Wars prequels, as in sloppy and not convincing at all.

If there was ever a season of GoT that needed the full 10 episodes to tell this story this final season was definitely it.

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I agree that Dany always had hints of being mad for power and of being capable of being quite ruthless. I think that's why I've never felt 100% behind her. She was just too narcissistic in her single minded drive for control and building armies. Regardless of the cost. It was always the most important thing and everything was about her being Queen..
The best came out of her when she was being worshiped and adored and she never took kindly to being less in anyone's eyes.
But I do think the showrunners rushed the whole process by having her snap to that degree.
Let's face it...they've rushed everything this season.

This entire season she's been like a totally different person...much more insecure than in previous seasons... which made her a candidate to suddenly snap after those major losses and her feeling all alone in the world. But I never saw her as capable of genocide to the likes of this episode..
I don't see her as mad anymore than Cersei was. She just isn't any better.

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Yeah this...and the OP.

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I think a lot of people are missing the fact that she won the iron throne but her own army is now very small, missendei who she could trust was executed, another of her children was killed, Jon Snow who she loved had rejected her and she is not even the rightful heir. What reason does she have to rule?

I don’t think she has gone mad, I think she wanted to burn all this to the ground because in the end it has destroyed her family and ruined her chance of happiness. I don’t even think she will ever come back to Westeros. She’s got her revenge and she no longer wants to be queen.

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This game will only end when there is no throne left to win.

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She had clearly gone mad. Indiscriminate slaughter of thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with destroying her family or preventing her from achieving happiness after she knew she had already achieved victory (as noted by D&D in commentary) is what homicidal maniacs do.

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Agreed. Even in season 1 we see a glimpse of her madness. Many have mentioned it here, so why surprised?

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At a guess, I'd say denial.

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