The plan wouldn't work



The precision required by Doc's hare-brained plan makes it impossible to execute with the DeLorean's non-digital and inaccurate speedometer and the clock that doesn't -even- have a second hand. (I know it has a first hand, and a second hand, but I mean the time unit measurement, not the 'between first and third)

You don't have enough precision for timing a lightning strike (even though the movie's version was a very slow lightning compared to real ones) well enough that it would strike the hook just when it's touching the wire.

Let's do some math.

The DeLorean will move almost 20 meters (19.7, rounded from 19.66972222) in HALF a second.

Think about it - you need the car to move exactly 88 miles per hour (we can of course say it's enough if it moves -at-least- that fast), which means, it will travel around 40 meters every single second.

If you are wrong by HALF a second, the car will be 20 meters in the wrong direction (either passed before the lightning hit, or hasn't reached it yet).

There's also no 'leeway', so that the car can touch the wire for more than half a second (because it's moving so fast, it'd be 20 meters away in that time), the hook doesn't 'stretch'..

So you can't err even 0.5 seconds. Or 0.25 seconds (which would mean the car is 10 meters away from the wire).

There's NO WAY you can time it that accurately with that clock. The only reason the plan worked, is because they had the best luck of anyone in the Universe.

Or, hrm.. a bad writer on their side. Take your pick..

By the way, even -if- you had the perfect calculations and the clock did have not only a second hand (which wouldn't be enough for this precision anyway), accelerating a car that requires you to change gears (though why would a DeLorean require that, I don't know) and starts much later than calculated (I didn't even mention the horribly inaccurate alarm clock of the fifties - there's -no-way- you can set an alarm with sub-second accuracy with that thing!) - it's such a wildly fluctuating process, that even if they tested this 88 times, there's no WAY they can trust to reach that kind of accuracy every time.

Besides, I am sure they wouldn't have had time (how ironic!) to test it 88 times..

That plan would -never- have worked in real life. I would like for someone with an actual DeLorean to test this sort of thing, and try to time it perfectly, and see how well they do.

Maybe if you try it 88 000 times, you might by luck get it 'perfect' once. But Marty and Doc only had -one- shot. I think this bit requires the most suspension of disbelief (even as a kid, I wondered about that).

The car can't even be 5 meters away from the cable when the lightning hits. That would be 0.125 seconds of time, by the way. Good luck timing it that way with 1950s equipment.

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Well, being an engineer, I thought about that too many times, ignoring my own directives to suspend disbelief.

I thought about it enough times to come up with two different plans that would have been far more believable. First, we can assume that if the lightning struck *as soon* as the clock struck the hour, we can pin the strike down to within a few seconds.

The first plan would have two huge spools of cable on either side of the road connected to the clock tower feed wire. The DeLorean would catch the wire just as before and pull the wire which is connected to the clock feed wire. At 88 mph they could get maybe a few seconds of real contact overlap instead of a fraction of a second.

Second, Doc could have have simply wrapped insulated wire around the high tension wire at the top of the telephone pole The DeLorean could have had a longer hook mechanism similar to a street car which would brush along the power wires along the entire street. When the lighting struck, it would arc right through the insulated wire and turn the high tension wire into the lighting rod. Of course, the potential for starting house fires for everyone else would be a risk...

Still, what was worse than Die Hard where he lit a trail of jet fuel (kerosene really) and the flame front out ran a jet on takeoff...

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Without offering any opinion about your conclusion, the calculations are possible and a second hand is not required.

The second hand is irrelevant if the starting point is as soon as the minute hand clicks to the next digit. That would mean the second hand would be on 12 or 00. Its completely possible to know when the time is at 00, without the second hand in this scenario. And since the second hand isn't required for accuracy, the calculations are very possible. Like I said, I offer no opinion on the odds of success.

As for the speedometer, I'm pretty sure it was digital on this Delorean.

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Congratulations, you spotted a thing that wouldn't had actually worked in real life which works in this movie! :)

I think this is why it's called "fiction", not sure though...

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I would never have thought of that. LOL.

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The plan wouldn't have worked?
It did though, didn't it?

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they got lucky , by an order of magnitude..

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So the plan worked, yet they got lucky?

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they got lucky so the plan worked

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Just to be sure....you know this wasn't a documentary, right?

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So the plan was to be lucky then?

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Yeah - they made a shit plan that had a million to one chance of working (as the OP said) but said "Hey , its ok , we just need a bit of luck, and the plan will work"


Then again, as Terry Pratchett said: " a million-to-one chance succeeds nine times out of ten."

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They had God on their side!

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The solution is simple. Invent a time machine, then go back and show the writers how to correctly write the script.

And throw something eerily future-correct in there like Doc Brown saying to Marty “I suppose someday Donald Trump will be President.”

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I dont think they could rely on the 12.00 midnight as an absolute dead on balls accurate constant either - the newspaper journos probly rounded off by ,who knows? 5 mins maybe - by which time the delorean could be 10 miles away.

Doc Brown's only sensible option would be:
Hire a giant merry-go-round and place it in the town square.
Place the DeLorean on one side , and a counterweight on the other.
Connect the steel cable to the centre of rotation using one of those "rotates and still provides connectivity" switches
Connect the other side of that link to the flux capacitor.
Spin the merry-go up so the car is doing 88mph (somehow)
Sit back , chill, and wait for the lightning.

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dead on balls accurate


Dead on balls accurate?

Love your merrry-go-round plan... Not only virtually foolproof but amusement park type fun as well!

But IIRC, the lightning struck the clock tower exactly as it struck the first chime of the hour according to eye witnesses. If we can accept the witness description as accurate, then we only need a couple of seconds of overlap to ensure the lightning gets to the flux capacitor. The two plans I outlined above would be simpler than trying to wrangle a merry-go-round in a few days notice.

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"Dead on balls accurate?"

Its an industry term

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Huh...

I would think though that for something to be "dead on balls accurate", there should be some independent verification of one sort or another. Not sure what exactly but something..

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Theres a scene in the most excellent film "My Cousin Vinnie" where Marissa Tomei explains exactly how the measure is calibrated :)

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Mark, Mark, Mark... Set you up for a perfect comebacker.. I thought you would have answered "a certificate of validation"... It's getting harder to be a straight man these days..

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Lol i *knew* you knew what i was talking about! then some how lost the thread - musty have been asleep this morning ...
I even dropped your name in a comment on that board a couiple of days ago to prove later i knew u knew ..lol

#redfaced

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LOL.. no problem buddy. It's not easy to discern what or where someone is heading on the internet as opposed to in person.

If I ask my wife a question, she will often answer: "would you like me to e x p l a i n ?"

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Whether or not the clock tower time was accurate is irrelevant. Doc would set his clock to match the time on the clock tower, and we already know the lightning hit the clock tower based on the time it displayed at that moment. Accurate or not.

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Marty didn't even take off when the bell went off.

They got lucky....as easy as that.

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That's neither here nor there, and not the point being debated at all. It's moot.

Regardless, calculations were made, and the plan worked. Easy as that.

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you might as well say "prayers were made" , "offerings were sacrificed to the gods" , and they crossed their fingers.
That would have been just as effective.

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Not even a little bit similar. Regardless, they didn't do that.

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This whole topic is nitpicking at its worst. We're already discussing a movie about a time machine in the form of a car that has to go 88 miles an hour to work.

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It had to go at least 88 mph, not precisely.

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