Absolutely nobody gets the level of popularity and success for such a long time that she has achieved without being special and talented.
Sure maybe her music doesn't do it for you or whatever but going from that to thinking she is nothing special or a fad is dumb.
People get propped up. It happens.
But they don't last as long as she has. She's been a professional songwriter since she was 14. That's 20 years in the business.
shareSome people have longer shelf lives than others.
Oh by the way, her boyfriend talked about gun rights the other day - any word about her thoughts on the mass murder of children?
Asking for a friend.
The young don't remember the days of MC Hammer and U Cant Touch This. Now that was a cultural phenomenon, Taylor is just a pop star like Britney or Madonna the difference is she stayed around while Gaga and Katy Perry moved onto other things "acting, motherhood". So it seems she is bigger than she actually is because her competition dropped out. Age will get her like all the others, like all the others.
Taylor is like the buzzing of flies to Hammer.
Lol, MC Hammer was a one-hit wonder. His relevance is more comparable to, I don't know, Smash Mouth.
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share"U Cant Touch This" is more than all of Taylor's songs put together times 10 and has endured the test of time. I was barely old enough to think and remember the way people were acting when it came out. Every single time you'd try to shake someones hand they would pull it away and quote "you cant touch this" everyone knew it was coming but laughed anyway.
Tay could learn a thing or two from MC but doesn't have the guts to give her audience a treat and have him perform at her concerts.
Smash Mouth had All Star, Walking on the Sun, and I'm a Believer. But nothing like Cant Touch This.
>"U Cant Touch This" is more than all of Taylor's songs put together times 10 and has endured the test of time.
No idea how you can remotely measure this. It's really not all that. It was, and is a gimmick song that sounds pretty dated now.
>I was barely old enough to think and remember the way people were acting when it came out. Every single time you'd try to shake someones hand they would pull it away and quote "you cant touch this" everyone knew it was coming but laughed anyway.
Sounds like the gimmick surrounding Gangnam Style for a bit.
>Tay could learn a thing or two from MC but doesn't have the guts to give her audience a treat and have him perform at her concerts. Smash Mouth had All Star, Walking on the Sun, and I'm a Believer. But nothing like Cant Touch This.
Is this a joke? Taylor Swift needs to "learn a thing or two" from MC Hammer? She's way more successful than he ever was.
You are out of your element. I guess they still cant program good taste. MC Hammer brought blacks and whites together with Touch This and the country was just about past race, well until OJ butchered his wife and a waiter, then the media stirred the pot again and got us fighting over black and white instead of murderer and non-murderer.
The reason for MC's downfall is that he was too effective at crossing the race barrier with his beats, moves and rhythm.
"Is this a joke? Taylor Swift needs to "learn a thing or two" from MC Hammer? She's way more successful than he ever was."
You are weighing success off of todays inflated dollars. Different distribution methods and the lack of competition for Tay makes these things impossible to compare. Perhaps if Gaga gave up on her ridiculous acting career she'd take a third of Taylors audience back. But I suppose you are one of these clowns who thinks Gaga is the next Meryl Streep and should continue her brilliant acting career?
>You are out of your element. I guess they still cant program good taste. MC Hammer brought blacks and whites together with Touch This and the country was just about past race, well until OJ butchered his wife and a waiter, then the media stirred the pot again and got us fighting over black and white instead of murderer and non-murderer.
I await data that this single song managed to do this (until OJ butchered his wife)
>You are weighing success off of todays inflated dollars. Different distribution methods and the lack of competition for Tay makes these things impossible to compare. Perhaps if Gaga gave up on her ridiculous acting career she'd take a third of Taylors audience back. But I suppose you are one of these clowns who thinks Gaga is the next Meryl Streep and should continue her brilliant acting career?
Show me evidence that, inflation adjusted, MC Hammer was as successful as Lady Gaga please.
And no, I don't care about Lady Gaga particularly.
I'm not comparing him to Gaga that would be more like your Smash Mouth comparison from earlier. MC is above Taylor in cultural impact and lasting significance, Taylor is above Gaga and I don't think that is debated.
"And no, I don't care about Lady Gaga particularly."
She is hotter than Taylor, but not as pretty in the face. Although neither of their faces are that great, normally I don't like to compare women's looks but when they are billionaires I make an exception.
>I'm not comparing him to Gaga that would be more like your Smash Mouth comparison from earlier. MC is above Taylor in cultural impact and lasting significance, Taylor is above Gaga and I don't think that is debated.
You have zero way of demonstrating the claim that MC Hammer has had more cultural influence than Taylor Swift. It's actually genuinely laughable.
Oh that was a mistake. I mean I don't care about Taylor Swift. Or Lady Gaga. The point is that Taylor Swift is massively successful.
"You have zero way of demonstrating the claim that MC Hammer has had more cultural influence than Taylor Swift."
Neither do you.
"The point is that Taylor Swift is massively successful."
Of coarse, she has two jets.
>Neither do you.
Taylor Swift is literally a billionaire.
https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/taylor-swift-was-the-most-streamed-artist-on-spotify-in-2023-with-over-26-1bn-global-streams12/#:~:text=Taylor%20Swift%20is%20the%20most,global%20streams%20%2D%20Music%20Business%20Worldwide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Taylor_Swift
https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/taylor-swift-all-hot-100-top-10-anti-hero-1235163664/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2023/12/01/taylor-swift-claims-half-of-the-top-10-bestselling-albums-in-america-this-week/?sh=245fdc684b18
https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/12748
Next to a guy who is more comparable in reputation to Eiffel 65
Inflationary numbers again and like I said the underlying themes of Hammer's songs were suppressed out of the mainstream because they were unifying the nation. And the competition dropped out for Taylor, she is the only one in the running besides maybe Pink and that chick with the homely nose. MC had the juggernaut of Michael Jackson to compete with and Ice breathing down his neck.
shareWhen did MC Hammer dominate half of the top 10 best-selling album and songs in the USA?
When was MC Hammer the most listened to artist on the planet?
How many awards did he receive? How many albums did he sell?
https://medium.com/@erynnestantonj/visualizing-taylor-swift-in-data-c131fb13726c
Of all of the hills people die on here, this one is easily amongst the most stupid I've seen. Taylor Swift, like her music or not, is easily one of the most successful modern pop artists of the last 20+ years.
>I said the underlying themes of Hammer's songs were suppressed out of the mainstream because they were unifying the nation.
This conspiracy theory, if true, would mean that he was not as culturally influential as Taylor Swift. So no idea why you bought this up. It doesn't help your argument.
>And the competition dropped out for Taylor, she is the only one in the running besides maybe Pink and that chick with the homely nose.
There are tons of other contemporary pop stars in the last 20 years. No-one has "dropped out".
Ok here is an experiment I want you to do. Go to the Congo and play the Cant Touch This beat, and ask them for the lyrics, and then play one of Swift's most popular songs and ask them for the lyrics. Next go to IceLand and repeat the above process, and lastly go into the heart of the Amazon and try the same experiment. Nine times out of ten each group will instantly recognize Cant Touch This and sing you the lyrics, they will never be able to come up with a single word of Swift's songs.
share>Ok here is an experiment I want you to do. Go to the Congo and play the Cant Touch This beat, and ask them for the lyrics, and then play one of Swift's most popular songs and ask them for the lyrics. Next go to IceLand and repeat the above process, and lastly go into the heart of the Amazon and try the same experiment. Nine times out of ten each group will instantly recognize Cant Touch This and sing you the lyrics, they will never be able to come up with a single word of Swift's songs.
He was known for one song. A gimmicky song. People would also be more likely to know Eiffel 65's Blue in much of the world vs. a specific Taylor Swift song. But that doesn't mean Eiffel 65 was more influential than Taylor Swift.
I bet you if I asked people in much of the world if they know Taylor Swift or MC Hammer, more people would reply that they knew Taylor Swift.
Why did you quote the entire post you were responding to? It seems like you are just trying to beef up the appearance of your cobbled together responses by adding the entirety of my well worked out dissertations.
"I bet you if I asked people in much of the world if they know Taylor Swift or MC Hammer, more people would reply that they knew Taylor Swift."
You are being ethnocentric in that assumption.
I cannot speak intelligently on Eiffel 65 because I have no idea who, what or where it is.
>Why did you quote the entire post you were responding to? It seems like you are just trying to beef up the appearance of your cobbled together responses by adding the entirety of my well worked out dissertations.
"Well worked out". Meanwhile you've not replied to a single source I've given beyond just saying "inflation!" (which makes no sense given that the metrics for streaming and album sales haven't changed).
Here's some info about her touring success: https://www.businesstoday.in/trending/world/story/taylor-swifts-eras-tour-may-gross-1-billion-soon-records-ticket-sales-worth-over-13-million-a-night-387981-2023-07-03
>I cannot speak intelligently on Eiffel 65 because I have no idea who, what or where it is.
This is my point. You're being insanely Americentric when you propose that MC Hammer has global reach. Meanwhile I've given a glut of sources that map out Taylor Swifts industry prominence, global popularity in streaming, charting and album sales. Eiffel 65 was another one-hit wonder band from Italy in the 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc
Never mind I know Eiffel 65's Blue song but didnt know they created it until now or who they were. It's pretty good but I have no idea what it's about or why they are singing it.
shareYou do realize that U Can't Touch This heavily, HEAVILY samples another song, right? Poor Rick James.
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shareWut? Listen to Superfreak. They're basically the same song!
shareMost hiphop and pop songs share musical beds.
Look at Swift's songs, they are all the same and what's worse is the lyrics could be swapped between them and no one would notice.
The meat of Cant Touch This is way different from Super Freak which is a good song but lets be honest, kind of silly.
..without being special and talented.
How's about this:
People like myself have no clue who this person is. In the last couple months, newspapers have dedicated 3 articles a day to her. That's annoying because we have to scroll past it and see it over and over again.
That's on news reporting. Not her.
Hope she sends you a check for your support!
shareActual Taylor swift lyrics:
Shake it Off:
I stay out too late
Got nothing in my brain
That's what people say, mm-mm
That's what people say, mm-mm
I go on too many dates
But I can't make 'em stay
At least that's what people say, mm-mm
That's what people say, mm-mm
But I keep cruisin'
Can't stop, won't stop movin'
It's like I got this music in my mind
Sayin' it's gonna be alright
'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off (hoo-hoo-hoo)
New money, suit and tie
I can read you like a magazine
Ain't it funny? Rumors fly
And I know you heard about me
So hey, let's be friends
I'm dying to see how this one ends
Grab your passport and my hand
I can make the bad guys good for a weekend
Band-aids don't fix bullet holes
You say sorry just for show
If you live like that, you live with ghosts (ghosts, ghosts)
Band-aids don't fix bullet holes (hey!)
You say sorry just for show (hey!)
If you live like that, you live with ghosts (hey!)
Hm, if you love like that, blood runs cold
I'm so sick of running
As fast as I can
Wondering if I'd get there quicker
If I was a man
And I'm so sick of them
Coming at me again
'Cause if I was a man
Then I'd be the man
I'd be the man
I'd be the man
>Sorry, but these are not the lyrics of someone who won 4 Album of the Year Grammys.
So she didn't really win those Grammys?
She did, but they are undeserved. She won because of popularity. She has won more Album of the Year Grammys than any other artist in history.
share>She did, but they are undeserved. She won because of popularity. She has won more Album of the Year Grammys than any other artist in history.
That's how the Grammys has worked for a long time, dude.
The majority of pop music lyrics are just as bad. I listened to The Yes Album recently and it's MUCH worse!
shareDismissing women with "what's so special about her" is a symptom of Man Baby Disorder.
Saying she can't sing/dance/write is the same as saying some famous actress can't act.
Face it, you losers are just incels living in moms basement. She keeps the door locked.
If someone rich and famous and relatively YOUNG,
starts talking shit to people, going into fields and topics that their success was NOT built on,
then them being dismissed, especially in the context of their ideas and directives aimed at "us", is completely reasonable. and to be expected.
And actually, trying to spin that into sexism thing, is actually the "cope" here..
Unless you think that all the people dissing Swfit would be happy to take similar.... b.s. from say.... hell, I don't even know a similar youthful male pop star...
"Justin Beiber"? Is he... equivilent?
My point is that those dismissing Swift would be just as quick to dismiss any young idiot who thinks to tell us how to live our lives, based on all they have learned dealing with the trials and tribulations of being rich, young and famous.